I am a Wilder fan. I wanted it to be Wilder stopping AJ.
However, I never "disliked" AJ. I just prefer Wilder over AJ and Fury.
AJ did not quit. I don't know why everyone is so quick to go there. Couldn't it be possible that when a fighter takes a beating, is hurt, especially on the ear, after a while your reaction times slow?
Not just your reaction times to punches or throwing punches, but how you respond to the ref? I think he knew what the ref may have been asking and he was saying "yes". But when a fighter is hurt badly or over a sustained amount of time, I they may know they want to continue or know they don't want to lose. But their brain and body are just not in sync.
I think AJ knew the ref was checking if he wanted to continue, but I think he was so dazed and delayed that he couldn't comprehend that in the moment, he wasn't physically responding to the ref to come forward. I feel his instincts were to hold himself up on the ropes and wait for the ref to wave the fight back on.
I've seen many fighters hurt, signal yes to the ref, the ref wave both fighters back on, and the hurt fighter lean back to the corner to cover up. I simply think AJ wanted to continue, but didn't have full control over his body to clearly walk forward and lift his gloves when the ref needed after those headshots.
Either way, he wasn't winning the fight. This is more about people saying he straight up quit. He had that Seth Mitchell look after the 4th knockdown. His physical reactions to the ref got worse and worse with each knockdown to the point where he couldn't comprehend what to do. If anything, he may have been waiting for the "mouthpiece break" because I think the ref was holding his mouthpiece after picking it up if I am not mistaken.
Every movement of his body showed that he didn't really want to be in there. Maybe an off-night, or whatever, but fact is, he could have continued and chose not to. He had enough presence of mind to instantly react to the referee calling it off, but not enough presence of mind to raise his hands to show that he was still game... I see it as a quit. Problem for Joshua is now, if you quit once, you will quit twice.
However, in this case the referee didn't have to because by that time Joshua was a defeated and broken man.
Typically, the referee would call a time out in order to rinse it off and put it back in the fighter's mouth; If it was knocked out inadvertently. However, this time Joshua spat it out deliberately and the referee knew this too.
The irony is that the ref was shouting instructions at AJ, even as he was holding the mouthpiece in his hand. By the time AJ walked back to his corner the referee had already made up his mind that he was going to stop the fight anyway because he knew that Joshua had had enough.
... Yes... for sure!... :)
Yes... (and the guy was "expecting" that the ref should have asked for the mouth piece to be washed and put back...)However, in this case the referee didn't have to because by that time Joshua was a defeated and broken man.
Typically, the referee would call a time out in order to rinse it off and put it back in the fighter's mouth; If it was knocked out inadvertently. However, this time Joshua spat it out deliberately and the referee knew this too.
The irony is that the ref was shouting instructions at AJ, even as he was holding the mouthpiece in his hand. By the time AJ walked back to his corner the referee had already made up his mind that he was going to stop the fight anyway because he knew that Joshua had had enough.
Once Joshua deliberately spit his gum shield on the canvas after the last knockdown that sealed the deal for me. He was mentally broken and definitely wanted out. Even the referee could sense it too.
Yes... (and the guy was "expecting" that the ref should have asked for the mouth piece to be washed and put back...)
Once Joshua deliberately spit his gum shield on the canvas after the last knockdown that sealed the deal for me. He was mentally broken and definitely wanted out. Even the referee could sense it too.
I think he really expected the ref to let him stall. I mean HE'S ALREADY DONE IT in the UK and even pulled tape off his glove. He was getting his senses together and wanted time.
The ref could have stopped it after AJ's second KD because AJ did not step toward him like the ref instructed. Was AJ quitting then? No. He was stalling. He tried the same thing later but the ref had seen enough.
he quit once the ref asked him are you ready to fight he said yea, but his body language (hands resting on the top ropes etc) said otherwise.
I say that because the last kd he had he did the same. Rested his arms on the ropes, but at that point when the ref asked him if he wants to continue, he took his hands off the ropes and put them up in front of him. IMO maybe the ref thought he wasn't responding enough etc.
My point is that the the 4th knockdown meant more damage had been done. He was only getting worse with each knockdown. So knockdowns one and two, he reacted quickly. Knockdown three, more hurt, but still reacted. Knockdown four, more hurt and dazed, wouldn't react the same. Even if the ref let it go to six knockdowns to give the champion the benefit, he would only be reacting worse each time.
My overall point being that people talking as if AJ quit the first time he was knocked down. Or as if he cried and walked around the ring saying I don't want to go anymore. He kept getting up and had a moment where he just couldn't go anymore.
Yes fans want to see fighter on their backs and waved off. But we've seen what happens when some fighters take too much punishment. He's 29 and doesn't need five or six knockdowns to show he's lost the fight.
he quit once the ref asked him are you ready to fight he said yea, but his body language (hands resting on the top ropes etc) said otherwise.
I say that because the last kd he had he did the same. Rested his arms on the ropes, but at that point when the ref asked him if he wants to continue, he took his hands off the ropes and put them up in front of him. IMO maybe the ref thought he wasn't responding enough etc.
He did a Khan job.
You have to show more heart than that when you are the unified heavyweight champion.
Ali took more beating from George Foreman. Foreman QUIT.
"AJ, get out of your corner. This isn't a break" :rofl:
He didn't "quit", but he was done. Like OP said, he was so dazed and confused... He was in no shape to defend himself
But mainly I think lotsa mfers who've never been in a fight think quitting is some p#ssy & unforgivable sh^t so quitting is deemed some sin against boxing or some such bs.
Agree. just because someone quit doesn't necessarily mean he's a p#ssy or whatever.
I happen to think AJ quit, but maybe he just didn't have anything left and tthought "fuk it i'll get him in the rematch"
I think it was clear he decided not to take anymore punishment and preferred a TKO loss to a KO loss.
It wasn't as bad as No Mas, but this wasn't exactly going out on your shield. It was a "business decision".
I don't think you can accuse a guy of quitting after getting blasted like that, he started to show negative body language after a war and 4th kd
He had the fight beat out of him, ref could see it and waived it off. If he'd done that in the 3rd after the first 2 kds then may be I'd agree with people who are saying that