Are people underrating Ruiz?

I think Andy Ruiz is overrated ever since the AJ upset. It was the Buster Douglas effect Pure fluke and Ruiz fans still gloat over his ''no successful HW defensed'' reign :lol1:

If you stand in front of Andy, you might lose a UD Especially in this crap filled HW era. He will never be a HW champ again. The blueprint has been established.

That's 11 (counting Liakhovic) wins better than Ruiz's second best win, plus the controversial Fury draw. Ruiz has to back it up. Period. True. Might I add, in my opinion Wilder won the first Fury fight, that was the longest count we have ever witnessed in the history of boxing. Even if you dont stop the fight there, he got put down twice and Fury did nothing in the fight except run around and slap.

I think Andy Ruiz is overrated ever since the AJ upset. It was the Buster Douglas effect

Ruiz isn't that good but he is better than most people anticipated. Actually I think it takes only 1 good day of someone like Whyte/Ortiz/Ruiz/Kownacki, and Fury and Wilder will be stopped as well.

Ruiz isn't that good but he is better than most people anticipated. Him and his team had a good game plan. If you listened to his corner and listened to Mora during the broadcast you understood what he was doing. He basically countered everything Joshua was doing. He took away AJs right hand. His corner told him he (AJ) was "showing his right." Letting him know to be aware of it. He set up the temple shots by shooting to the chest and body. AJ tried a few left hooks and one landed hard but he was staying around too long and getting countered. AJ tried to adjust after the first KDs but he was too fatigued to pull it off. There's no way in hell Ruiz should've been getting as close as he was getting. Ruiz fought a good fight and AJ did not. This is a massive win for him and the story should be about him being that big of an under dog and being the first Mexican HW champion. That's a big deal.

Everyone seems to be focusing on Joshua and how embarrased he was, how poor he performed etc. But what about Ruiz? He impressed me a lot, showed great footwork, fundamentals handspeed and ring IQ. I've got to be honest I don't follow the heavies as much as other divisions but I remember seeing Ruiz way back and being impressed with his handspeed, he's fast as fk for his size.I am not underrating him now. He is the reason AJ lost. He did what Ortiz, Fury and Wilder all said they could do but never took big money offers to get in the ring and do it. Ruiz has only the close loss to Parker and maybe he is much better than ever. He is the champ now with most of the belts and maybe nobody can beat him. Fury and Wilder have flaws just like AJ and I don't favor them to beat Ruiz anymore. They will have to show me if they can beat him or not.

Ortiz has proven nothing. His resume is hardly on Kownacki`s level. Kownacki beat Martin, Washington and Szpilka. Ortiz is barely tested on elite level. I can`t count a KO loss as a success. He beat Bryant Jennings, Christian Hammer, Malik Scott, and Tony Thompson. He also knocked out Lateef Koyode but it was vacated due to a failed drug test. That's five decent wins and the performance against Wilder, which was his only loss. That Joe Parker loss looms large on Ruiz's resume.

The only reason I didn´t vote for Ruiz to win is because of the massive size disadvantage, otherwise he would be the most feared HW at the moment.

Honestly I don't know, I still can't believe he beat AJ. I may need to see a rematch to feel more confident of where Ruiz truly stands in the division, aside from technically owning three portions of the heavyweight championship.

Ortiz has proven nothing. His resume is hardly on Kownacki`s level. Kownacki beat Martin, Washington and Szpilka. Ortiz is barely tested on elite level. I can`t count a KO loss as a success.

Yes but none of them is better than Joshua. Ortiz must beat Wilder to get on this level. If Ruiz backs up the Joshua win with another win over Joshua or another top heavyweight, I will agree that he is better than Ortiz. But right now Ruiz is just a guy with one great win. Nothing more, nothing less. Ortiz has proven over an extended sample size that he is indeed at least one of the four or five best active heavyweights.

All I can say is that Ruiz fought the perfect fight last night, he saw what was happening and took the advantage, it's his time right now and now he also has the lime light to show us what he is capable of doing at the top level now!

Now he has the best win in the division. No, Fury does. Beating a 10 year reigning champ that dominated an entire era is still a better win. Not to mention Fury should have a win over Wilder Andy Ruiz has an excellent win, but beating a super champ in Wlad like Fury did was better. Joshua’s best achievement was going life and death with a 41 year old inactive Wlad. He was never a super champ or clear no.1 like Wlad. Plenty of people never even rated AJ as the no.1 even before last night. When Fury beat Wlad, there was no disputing that Wlad was the man.

Ortiz knocked Jennings out the same year Wlad took him 12. Ortiz also beat Hammer and Scott, who are not killers by any means, but much better than the likes of Dimitrenko or Johnson or Liakhovic, which were the best names on Ruiz's resume before last night. Yes but none of them is better than Joshua. Ortiz must beat Wilder to get on this level.

The same people that claim Ruiz is not "that good" also say Ortiz is elite because he beat jennings. Ortiz knocked Jennings out the same year Wlad took him 12. Ortiz also beat Hammer and Scott, who are not killers by any means, but much better than the likes of Dimitrenko or Johnson or Liakhovic, which were the best names on Ruiz's resume before last night.

Now he has the best win in the division. No, that would be Tyson Fury's win over Wladimir Klitschko in which he won the unified WBA (Super), IBF, WBO, IBO, Ring, and lineal championship. Plus the draw with Wilder, which many thought he won. Wilder beat Liakhovic just like Ruiz, except Wilder knocked him out in the first while Ruiz took him the distance for a UD. And Wilder's other wins of note are all better than Kevin Johnson or Dimitrenko: Luis Ortiz Bermane Stiverne (twice) Dominic Breazeale Malik Scott Chris Arreola Gerald Washington Johan Duahapas Artur Szpilka Eric Molina That's 11 (counting Liakhovic) wins better than Ruiz's second best win, plus the controversial Fury draw. Ruiz has to back it up. Period.

The same people that claim Ruiz is not "that good" also say Ortiz is elite because he beat jennings.

I always thought he was top level . only had 1 bs decision loss. He might be chunky but he has great stamina ! The thing is, it wasn’t a bs loss to Parker. Most people felt a draw was about fair or a round either way. A draw would’ve been fair. I thought Ruiz was excellent last night, but prior to that, the evidence showed that he was around the level of Parker, there or thereabouts. There was nothing to suggest he was really any better.

Lol he is not 'fast as fk'. He only appears to be faster because his body shape suggests he should be slow. It's not like he has Zab Judah hand speed. Wilder and especially Fury would have no problem with his hand speed.