It's very possible Wilder-Ortiz II ends up being.....

It might end up flopping tbh. Most likely it ends up on PPV and I'll be ok with watching a replay or highlights . Whyte woulda been a better fight .

Enjoy AJ v Pulev mateThat guy would toss off to Joshua - Butterbean

you really think wilder would rather fight kownacki for 8 million bucks and keep his 0 over taking a challenge and walking away with 50-65 million? cmon man...lol....youre letting your hate blind you...nobody is turning down that kind of money ....especially to fight a guy that had to get off the mat to beat wlad and took many rounds to beat breazeale(im not even knocking AJ here...just saying...hes not exactly putting the fear of god into someone like wilder) He already walked away and turned down 120 mill, foh. As for the wlad fight, at least AJ had the balls to fight him, foh. And aj vs breazeale was ajs 17th/18th fight? Foh son. If you're trying to compare, aj beat the dog sh.it out of Molina in 3 rounds, and Molina hurt wilder before Wilder ko'd him. Foh Wilder could've fought parker, wlad etc. Instead he fought life and death with an unaccomplished old man in ortiz and got his ass outboxed and lost, according to everyone with half a brain, but was gifted a draw vs fat fury.

LOL Wilder Ortiz 2. Nobody wants it, nobody went to the Breazeale fight. Considering they are desperately trying to turn Wilder in to some superstar they are certainly doing all the wrong things again. Wilders worth is crumbling. This duck of Anthony Joshua is ruining any new fame he had received. So he can brag, his fans can brag about freezing AJ out and leaving AJ with no good fights to take but cant you see that people see Wilder as the ducker here? Any idea what AJ is going to say after the Ruiz fight??? Hes guna say "I WANT WILDER NEXT AND WILDER IS DUCKING ME". Wilder wasnt talking like that after the Breazeale fight. His repuation is getting crushed here and taking on Ortiz again instead is a TERRIBLE LOOK. The numbers dont lie, Wilders numbers are DOWN. DOWN i say. You Wilder fangirls can mock AJ and make up weird lies but maybe you need to concentrate more on building Wilder up over trying to knock Joshua down. That fool is dying on his feet and Shirley (i died 3 years ago) Winkle is making Wilder look like a ****ing chicken just at a time where there was all this added interest in Deontay Wilder. A bad time for you to look like a massive ducker is when you have just made a load of noise to grab their attention.

Two guys that ducked AJ fighting each other. yay! "The Mighty DUCKS pt II." This is funnier than it ought to be. Well played

Still think there's about a 50/50 chance, if not more, we never get AJ/Wilder. Could see Wilder avoiding that fight his whole career, but think there's an even better chance one of them loses before they meet, especially Wilder. Old ass Ortiz still might beat him this time around Your thoughts here are nearly identical to mine. It's been my concern over a year now that there's at least a 50% chance that Wilder has "A-listed" his way out of ever getting THE payday. I've contended that if he was really that confident he was hands down the BEST, he'd sign whatever contract was placed in front of him. Just go ahead and become "undisputed" right quick, so you can then write your ticket to the moon, man. So, more so than 50% we never see AJ/Wilder, it's 50/50 that Wilder EVER sees THE payday. I believe he'll still get the fight having an L, just won't be as huge. Is he making sure it's set-for-life money before he takes a risk ? How about this ? Maybe he IS thinking some type of legacy, and wants NINE/TEN more fights, ONLY against opponents he believes he will beat. Only HW to go out 50-0 ? He's never shown a hunger for Undisputed, has he ? I dunno man, looking at all this forum content and media feedback, it just seems like a mess for true boxing fans. Guys on NSB follow all this tightly, and pretty much nobody appears satisfied, hopeful, fulfilled, or content about the HW situation. Quite frankly, much of the immature and profane presumption and allegation that goes on, is downright embarrassing, deplorable, tasteless, and ridiculous. But that's just me. I know the anonymous nature of the internet makes people forget there's actual human beings typing, but damn. Or maybe I'm dealing with a different generation, I dunno. I wish they would fight before one of them loses. That's all I can say. We'll wait and see. Peace.

It'll end up being a joke of a fight because that's exactly what it is. It's unnecessary but it I don't see how it's a joke of a fight

It'll end up being a joke of a fight because that's exactly what it is.

How much can they really do though? If Wilder and Fury won't fight, how many options are out there to "keep him relevant." Especially when mandatories will HAVE to be dealt with. Whyte 2 would be a HUGE fight in the UK, but it still probably doesn't register much in the US. Usyk is really the only other fight out there that means something and that would only be to hardcore fans anyways and it also depends on how Usyk looks at HW. Bad matchups for AJ are coming, there's really no way around it if he can't get the unification fight. So, if it's unavoidable I think the key becomes exciting performances. If you have to fight guys like Charr and Pulev you need to KO them in brutal fashion to keep the casuals aroused. Joshua vs Whyte II is his best option

So you're saying Wilder running the division and everything revolves around him? No you tit. I'm saying that Wilder should stop ducking.

The best fight we get in the build up to Joshua vs Wilder from here on out. Joshua vs Bryan and Joshua vs Pulev are going to pretty bad fights. Not that I'm saying that's Joshua's fault or anything...... Nah ortiz is done. Wilder gets him out of there in 6 or less.

If AJ vs Pulev happens it will be because Wilder ducked. Again. So you're saying Wilder running the division and everything revolves around him?

Well they had him turn down a 40 mil purse for 1 fight, with a guaranteed 40 again for the rematch and 20 for ****ing Breazeale. So 50-60 is the magical number now? When Skipper and DAZN offer him 50 for the fight it will probably then be 75 or 80 mil is the going rate. Everybody likes to talk about Wilder continues to increase his price by waiting this out, but it's not going to go up forever and he's risking it all with every fight he takes. Especially a dangerous fight like this against Ortiz which I imagine he'll probably make between 10 and 15 to fight. One big punch landing is all it takes and the enormous paydays go poof. And that doesn't even completely apply to Wilder, it takes 2 to tango. What happens to his huge cash out if Ruiz smashes Joshua's chin to pieces? Betting on yourself sounds nice and all, but each time you do that you're putting fate in somebody else's hands and at Wilder's age you'd think he'd want to be the one to get it on sooner than later considering time is on AJ's side. When **** marinates like this in boxing it rarely ever goes as hoped, have a feeling one of them will lose before they meet. I def dont disagree with you to some degree on some of your points.... but i think there were some holes about the DAZN deal that werent all tha clear......what i do see though is wilder going from clear b-side to getting a big piece in a years time.... wilder clearly isnt afraid of AJ....so hes not concerned about his age....wilder hasnt taken punishment and hes not one of those HW who has weight issues...wilder is still spry and has plenty of pop...those things arent going to go away next year i dont think wilders price is going to keep going up....but hes making sure hes putting the pressure on AJ...sooner or later they are gonna have to come with a split and do it the right way with US ppv....sooner or later the public is gonna demand the a-side do whats right...the same way they did with canelo in regards to golovkin i think wilder is just making sure these guys know hes not worried about chasing them....i think it happens next year...which is fine with me and i think its fine with both sides...anything later than that is a fail by everyone

Enjoy AJ v Pulev mate If AJ vs Pulev happens it will be because Wilder ducked. Again.

Pulev >>>>> Ortiz Check their resumes. Maximum one '>' is warranted, his resume is only slightly better than Ortiz if at all.

Is Bryan high up on Eddie's to do list? I'd assume he'd look at Usyk before Bryan. Also where the f#ck is my man Fres Oquendo. How has he not gotten his title shot yet. My homeboy been waiting 5 years for his shot lol. Someone need to give this cat his title shot. They'd tried to make Oquendo fight late last year and he basically said he's too damn old and didn't want it any more. Think we've finally seen the last of Fres. AFAIK, winner of Bryan/Charr will become IMMEDIATE mandatory for AJ, so that will probably have to be dealt with late 2019 or early 2020. I also would think Usyk probably wants 2 HW fights before going after AJ, so that would be a potential mid 2020 fight if they still can't get Wilder or Fury. Probably looking at Wilder/Ortiz and AJ/Pulev around the same time and then Wilder/Kownacki and AJ/Charr or Bryan early 2020, AJ would then have the WBO mando coming soon, which should be Usyk in this scenario and Wilder may have to deal with his mandatory, which theoretically could be Fury or Whyte.

Then we get Joshua vs a guy who has proven himself as being better than Wilder. I just hope they realize they need to line up good fights for Joshua to keep him relevant. How much can they really do though? If Wilder and Fury won't fight, how many options are out there to "keep him relevant." Especially when mandatories will HAVE to be dealt with. Whyte 2 would be a HUGE fight in the UK, but it still probably doesn't register much in the US. Usyk is really the only other fight out there that means something and that would only be to hardcore fans anyways and it also depends on how Usyk looks at HW. Bad matchups for AJ are coming, there's really no way around it if he can't get the unification fight. So, if it's unavoidable I think the key becomes exciting performances. If you have to fight guys like Charr and Pulev you need to KO them in brutal fashion to keep the casuals aroused.

Who has the better resume? Pulev is the better fighter, he's more proven. What about Pulev’s resume impresses you? He’s 38 years old (so knocking Ortiz over age is rather disingenuous). He beat Hughie Fury ... who plays patty-cake. He beat Sam Peter, a roly-poly who was fighting for like the third time in 5 years and was well past it. The usual collections of Dominque Guinns and Kevin Johnsons and Alexander Dimitrenko types who go rounds but never win. Beat Tony Thompson when that still meant a little something, but the Tiger was well past his sell-by date (but still a decent little win) and got a split verdict over Derrick Chisora, who basically competes but never wins against good fighters. So he’s done well with the B- and C-level types. I don’t see anything about Pulev that says ‘he’s ready to beat top guys.’ Ortiz is more skilled, more explosive and has beaten at least as many good fighters as Pulev and done so more convincingly.

bro....finkel doesnt get paid unless wilder does....those other "cronies" have done some of boxing biggest fights......what u just said is crazy talk..... yes i dont think those guys want to fight on DAZN...because they feel like theyd be leaving money on the table in doing that....but those guys arent going to tell a guy to shy away from a 50-60 million purse the problem is not once has team hearn said they are willing to do what is right...and do a US ppv....which makes the most money for both guys....because hearn needs to deliver to DAZN to keep his good relationship with them...they buy his other fights and keep money flowing through hearns pockets Well they had him turn down a 40 mil purse for 1 fight, with a guaranteed 40 again for the rematch and 20 for ****ing Breazeale. So 50-60 is the magical number now? When Skipper and DAZN offer him 50 for the fight it will probably then be 75 or 80 mil is the going rate. Everybody likes to talk about Wilder continues to increase his price by waiting this out, but it's not going to go up forever and he's risking it all with every fight he takes. Especially a dangerous fight like this against Ortiz which I imagine he'll probably make between 10 and 15 to fight. One big punch landing is all it takes and the enormous paydays go poof. And that doesn't even completely apply to Wilder, it takes 2 to tango. What happens to his huge cash out if Ruiz smashes Joshua's chin to pieces? Betting on yourself sounds nice and all, but each time you do that you're putting fate in somebody else's hands and at Wilder's age you'd think he'd want to be the one to get it on sooner than later considering time is on AJ's side. When **** marinates like this in boxing it rarely ever goes as hoped, have a feeling one of them will lose before they meet.

Probably, but Wilder is in danger in just about every fight he's in, anything could happen. Then what if Wilder fights Fury next? Fury could dominate him and actually get a win this time, maybe win a trilogy as well. If that happens do we ever get Wilder/AJ? Probably not, AJ/Fury would then be the most lucrative HW fight of all time. UK would go ****ing mad over that Then we get Joshua vs a guy who has proven himself as being better than Wilder. I just hope they realize they need to line up good fights for Joshua to keep him relevant.