Wilder's progression as a pro has been right on track.

The way I see it is that Wilder was held back in his career both from his management and himself to a certain degree because he simply wasn't at that point where he could confidently step up to the elite level. I don't see anything wrong with that because certain fighters peak and decline at different ages. Wilder from five years ago would more than likely get handily beat by the top fighters because he was still susceptible to getting hit with some easily avoidable shots. Awkward style aside, Wilder has developed his right hand delivery (getting his power to land) and defense (still not where it needs to be) just enough to where he is a threat to anyone he steps in the ring with. I've always said that a good boxer isn't someone that necessarily moves a lot or pressures, or is very defensive or offensive. A good boxer is someone that knows what they do good and how to play to their strengths.

PBC shills always on damage control duty, lol

If this is your perception it's false and idiotic, but your op gives your bias away anyhow. AJ didn't have it easy, and even today he trains like a demon, and he trains all year round, and when in camp, in spite of all his money he stays in a humble apartment and sleeps in basically a box room. Your ignorance for a hard-core boxing fan is astounding. He has had the road almost any super talented amateur has had. Wilder as a pro has been moved slowly, very slowly. It's the right decision and he has been well looked after. How old is Tyson Fury? 30? Well id imagine he's been learning to fight for 28 years then. AJ-Wilder is a tale of privileged vs poor AJ literally grew up with rich parents that paid for private school and had properties in the suburbs of the UK. Wilder grew up in Alabama, like it doesn't get much more opposite lol, Bama is one of the poorest, hardest, ghetto states in the entirety of the USA. Wilder was working 2 jobs to support a daughter with health issues AND boxing. AJ was living with his parents in the suburbs, partying, selling drugs. AJ had access to world class facilities and the world class UK boxing program. Wilder a regular boxing gym, USA's piss poor boxing program. AJ was treated like a celeb as an amateur, Wilder a nobody. AJ was earning $5 million by his 2nd year to fight that bum Whyte. Took Wilder 10 years to earn that against that monster Ortiz. Who you trying to fool? AJ had it as easy as it gets.

Fury-AJ-Wilder all started boxing within 2 years of each other. Wilder in '05 Fury '06 (possibly earlier) AJ in '07 Wilder was working 2 jobs to support his family & trying to pick up a sport he's never heard of. Fury comes from a notorious bareknuckle boxing family and was exposed to the sport early on. AJ was treated like a prince in the UK, living with mummy, access to world class trainers, equipment, nutrition etc. AJ stayed in the amateurs from 2007-2013. All things considered Wilder's progress as a pro has been pretty damn good. People are quick to criticize a guy that did all his learning in the pros but will be quick to suck the dicks of guys that have been hiding in the amateurs with headgear for close to a decade or more. - -AJ started in 2013 and already the unified champ making a kings ransom. Fury whooped the all time HOF great in his own backyard. Deyonce beat Stiverne and set the record for short notice TBA title defenses for peanuts. You one of his peanuts?

AJ started boxing in '07 and didn't turn pro until '13. Wilder didn't step foot in a gym until Oct. 2005 and by 2008 was already a pro. And that's with AJ having all the time in the world to dedicate to the sport, a cousin in boxing, and the UK boxing system treating him like a king. Wilder was working 2 jobs, and caring for his daughter, no **** he was fighting dishwashers, he was one himself! AJ was earning millions by his 2nd year while Wilder was fighting for pennies This is your classic hard worker vs everything handed to you type comparison and you're talking down on the guy that worked for it all. If this is your perception it's false and idiotic, but your op gives your bias away anyhow. AJ didn't have it easy, and even today he trains like a demon, and he trains all year round, and when in camp, in spite of all his money he stays in a humble apartment and sleeps in basically a box room. Your ignorance for a hard-core boxing fan is astounding. He has had the road almost any super talented amateur has had. Wilder as a pro has been moved slowly, very slowly. It's the right decision and he has been well looked after. How old is Tyson Fury? 30? Well id imagine he's been learning to fight for 28 years then.

Noone said he hasnt fought any elite amateurs. You should try not being intellectually dishonest. That was a reply to joshua fighting elite amateurs whilst wilder was fighting fatsos and construction workers. Btw he lost to the elite amateurs thats the differnce You clearly said it.

Joshua was a amateur for 5 years, only 2 more than wilder. Being a pro and fighting nobodies and dishwashers for your first 35 fights doesnt mean anything, joshua was fighting elite amateurs in the olympics whereas wilder wss fighting people who literally were obese. AJ started boxing in '07 and didn't turn pro until '13. Wilder didn't step foot in a gym until Oct. 2005 and by 2008 was already a pro. And that's with AJ having all the time in the world to dedicate to the sport, a cousin in boxing, and the UK boxing system treating him like a king. Wilder was working 2 jobs, and caring for his daughter, no **** he was fighting dishwashers, he was one himself! AJ was earning millions by his 2nd year while Wilder was fighting for pennies This is your classic hard worker vs everything handed to you type comparison and you're talking down on the guy that worked for it all.

In his 16th amateur win, he won the Golden Gloves. In his 21st amateur win, he passed the Olympic trials. In his 30th amateur win, he won an Olympic bronze medal.

its weird to me that boxing fans don't take these things into consideration but oh well.

Wilder won a bronze medal in the Olympics so obviously he was also fighting elite amateurs. You should at least try to be factual. Noone said he hasnt fought any elite amateurs. You should try not being intellectually dishonest. That was a reply to joshua fighting elite amateurs whilst wilder was fighting fatsos and construction workers. Btw he lost to the elite amateurs thats the differnce

Joshua was a amateur for 5 years, only 2 more than wilder. Being a pro and fighting nobodies and dishwashers for your first 35 fights doesnt mean anything, joshua was fighting elite amateurs in the olympics whereas wilder wss fighting people who literally were obese. Wilder won a bronze medal in the Olympics so obviously he was also fighting elite amateurs. You should at least try to be factual.

Joshua was a amateur for 5 years, only 2 more than wilder. Being a pro and fighting nobodies and dishwashers for your first 35 fights doesnt mean anything, joshua was fighting elite amateurs in the olympics whereas wilder wss fighting people who literally were obese./QUOTE] Wilder won a bronze medal in the Olympics so obviously he was also fighting elite amateurs.

My honest answer. Its been way too slow.

Almost every champion in the history of the sport has been dropped by someone at some point in their career. Imagine worshipping the guy that wasted 7 years fighting teenagers with headgear while criticizing the guy that went pro ASAP. You fail to realize just how little experience Wilder has compared to all his peers. Joshua was a amateur for 5 years, only 2 more than wilder. Being a pro and fighting nobodies and dishwashers for your first 35 fights doesnt mean anything, joshua was fighting elite amateurs in the olympics whereas wilder wss fighting people who literally were obese.

Imagine getting dropped by harold sconiers and dustin nichols. :/ Imagine waiting 38/39 fights before fighting someone with a pulse. Imagine a guy turning pro 4/5 years after you and he still unifies quicker and fights better comp in half the fights/time Almost every champion in the history of the sport has been dropped by someone at some point in their career. Imagine worshipping the guy that wasted 7 years fighting teenagers with headgear while criticizing the guy that went pro ASAP. You fail to realize just how little experience Wilder has compared to all his peers.

Lmao so Fury is the same level as Scott? Wilder fought the guy that schooled Wlad 2 years before. AJ fought the loser, Wilder the winner. Imagine getting dropped by a guy that couldn't even drop Fury or Bryant Jennings 2 years ago LOL Wow, excellent points.

Amateurs Fury: age 16 - 20, record: 31 - 4 AJ: age 18 - 23, record: 40 - 3 Wilder: age 20 - 23, record: 30 - 5

Joshua's jab isn't elite on its own. But it keeps on coming. His workrate and punch output is very high for a big guy. And he combines it with speed. It's a boxer/puncher vs an extreme puncher. I don't mean to denigrate Wilder's skills but he's fundamentally a puncher. On the understanding that they all fight each other, we're actually pretty lucky to have three very different top heavyweights. I still think Fury Wilder is the same fight as it always was. If Fury can avoid being KO'd the right hand he wins. If he can't he loses. My money would be on Fury. I don't think Wilder can ever get that Breazeale shot off against a guy who moves like Fury. Joshua v Wilder is a real toss up. It won't go to points. Joshua won't walk into a right hand, but he can be hit and hurt. Joshua can undoubtedly hurt Wilder if he's got the balls to get within range and produce his usual pressure. And I'm edging towards Joshua against Fury. Fury doesn't throw enough, can't stop Joshua and he'll simply get beaten on punch output if he lasts the 12 rounds.

Wilder's last performance has changed things for me, it is edging towards a 50/50 fight. Wilder's range and movement for me, look abit better in the opening round. Wilder is not has durable as Joshua, and I don't think he has creative boxing ability. But I honestly believe he has the ability to develop a real impressive jab. 'With his range and awkwardness, I want to see him really work on his jab' because if he does fight Joshua/Fury, if Wilder an win the battle of the jabs? That alone will completely shut his opponents down 'even without the knock out the other night, I liked what I saw from Wilder'. I believe that when Joshua & Wilder both meet, the fight will resemble Frank Bruno vs Lennox Lewis 'Strategically, that is how I think the fight will play out'. Joshua's jab is alright, but it is nothing special 'there are no real heavyweights around today with decent jabbing ability' <<< Yes I know, a joke can be made of this.

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