3 things I learned about Wilder this week.

you posted in that thread. Frankie made that video. You actually thought it was real. I don't like when 5 guys go at 1, that always feels like bullying to me. That being said man you are being disingenuous by saying Frankie made that video. Someone made that video to make fun of the LDBC guy who was actually saying the stuff in the video. If you can't admit that a guy from the 'LDBC' actually said that, I mean what can we all even agree on lol. You can always say that you don't watch those videos and no one else from here does either, whether that is true or not is up for debate. But a guy from the 'LDBC' absolutely was saying Fury Wilder sold $300 million or whatever numbers he used.

Ok. So because multiple people make the same point, your assumption is "there probably are videos telling them to do this". Why isn't that people saw the fight and came away with the same opinion? If people thought Jacobs beat Canelo, Ward beat Kov or Jacobs beat GGG, chances are they thought so for the same reason. I don't see how you could have people think differently. If for example you thought Jacobs won rounds 1, 2, 4, 9, 11, 12, I'm sure a number of people scoring at home might have felt the same way, especially if you are doing live scoring. To suggest all those scores are the result of seeing a video or a shared talking point isn't factual, again given everyone is scoring the fight in real time. If anyone thought Jacobs won round 4 then this boxing thing is not their thing at all. :0 I don't necessarily think that ALL the talking points come from the videos; it is my opinion that more of the ridiculous ones come from there - especially when there isn't a great defense for a certain situation - so usually an obvious immediate rebuttal isn't available by people who support that fighter. I will say that from my recollection after Ward-Kov 1 and GGG-Jacobs etc, it was basically unanimous amongst all groups who won. Then there were a few outliers who say 'their guy' won. It is my humble opinion that the videos come into play at this point - in after the fact trying to twist the narrative to suit your favored worldview. Or in trying to take a guy that isn't 'your guy' down a peg, when there isn't really much to hate on in truth. Basically most people of all groups saw those fights one way - but a few outliers saw them for 'their guy'. As a few months go by and a few videos come out about why 'fighter x' really won, that narrative starts catching on in that community, and people who originally said the 'other guy' won, now change their mind and say 'man now that I see it again, fighter x (my guy) actually won this thing because of (insert reasons here).' Just parroting the views expressed in the video. The guy Mammoth on here is a good example of that - I just saw him say that about the Jacobs-GGG fight the other day. I'm not trying to be insulting by just blaming one community, that is just honestly how it seems to happen with Wilder/Floyd/Ward fans. There are things to critique any fighter for. But a lot of their critiques (GGG ducked Dervy, Loma hasn't faced anyone, GGG hasn't faced anyone, etc) are a little ridiculous and appear to come out of nowhere. Imo it seems that there are some channels/videos out there who try to devise ways to cut down other fighters not in their group, even if there is not much to hate on. It is when these wild talking point all of the sudden appear that it seems imo to be coming from the videos. I could be wrong about that - but I do feel a lot of the more preposterous talking points come from there - such as a lot of guys inherently not liking GGG, but in reality there isn't much to hate on, so they migrate to these videos/channels that will feed them the hate they want, even if it makes no real sense. There is just no other reason to me how such terrible arguments can come about naturally by so many different posters.

It's on you tube, you do have eyes and ears don't you? Or are Wilder fans void of them as well? Ha I just saw that thread. You didn't think that video was fake? when you watch it the voice and words don't match. Did you ever consider that video was fake?

The LDBC are the dumbest of the dumb.

I told you i dont know how to post links, vids or pics. And this isnt a big court case the proof is just a few clicks away on the internet. Also you said you know what my MO is. What is it? Didn't you see where frankie led the video off with "I just made this video. Please support my channel. Subscribe" you never once thought he made this video? Did you at least notice the voice never matched the words in the intro?

Go look at Frankie2jabs posts...he made a thread about it a day or two ago and posted the video DaNeutral is referring to. you posted in that thread. Frankie made that video. You actually thought it was real.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=814277 You're very welcome. Frankie2jabs made that video. It's not real.

Those were examples, but I will go into further detail if you insist. An example would be after a fight happens, trying to rationalize why your guy won. There are probably videos out there trying to say why Jacobs won against GGG (or Canelo), or why Ward really won against Kov etc. Why Ward's shots weren't low in the 2nd fight etc. They don't care about what the facts are - they are just trying to make whatever case they can for their guy winning. It doesn't matter if the data backs that up. When you have 'your guy' winning 90% of close rounds, or 90% of close fights (even if he clearly lost) - you don't agree that is a problem? Saying 'we all saw it the same way' is a cop out. If that was really the case then you should all see it for the other guy just as often and that NEVER happens lol. Ok. So because multiple people make the same point, your assumption is "there probably are videos telling them to do this". Why isn't that people saw the fight and came away with the same opinion? If people thought Jacobs beat Canelo, Ward beat Kov or Jacobs beat GGG, chances are they thought so for the same reason. I don't see how you could have people think differently. If for example you thought Jacobs won rounds 1, 2, 4, 9, 11, 12, I'm sure a number of people scoring at home might have felt the same way, especially if you are doing live scoring. To suggest all those scores are the result of seeing a video or a shared talking point isn't factual, again given everyone is scoring the fight in real time.

If they did then you should be able to post the link. You still haven't. I surely haven't seen anyone on this site post anything that retarded, nor have I seen anyone on here agree with that. https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=814277 You're very welcome.

You got number 4 right! Worst thing is, number 4 isnt even the dumbest statement up there.

If they did then you should be able to post the link. You still haven't. I surely haven't seen anyone on this site post anything that retarded, nor have I seen anyone on here agree with that. Go look at Frankie2jabs posts...he made a thread about it a day or two ago and posted the video DaNeutral is referring to.

If they did then you should be able to post the link. You still haven't. I surely haven't seen anyone on this site post anything that retarded, nor have I seen anyone on here agree with that. I told you i dont know how to post links, vids or pics. And this isnt a big court case the proof is just a few clicks away on the internet. Also you said you know what my MO is. What is it?

Give a specific example of the talking point please. What points made are not supported by the data? What specific analysis "starts with the end result in mind and try to build their story around it, without facts"? Those were examples, but I will go into further detail if you insist. An example would be after a fight happens, trying to rationalize why your guy won. There are probably videos out there trying to say why Jacobs won against GGG (or Canelo), or why Ward really won against Kov etc. Why Ward's shots weren't low in the 2nd fight etc. They don't care about what the facts are - they are just trying to make whatever case they can for their guy winning. It doesn't matter if the data backs that up. When you have 'your guy' winning 90% of close rounds, or 90% of close fights (even if he clearly lost) - you don't agree that is a problem? Saying 'we all saw it the same way' is a cop out. If that was really the case then you should all see it for the other guy just as often and that NEVER happens lol.

It makes no difference as Wilder has been called back to his planet in the Alpha Centauri system to update his visa and will not be available to fight again for about 10 earth years, approximately 9 years travel time and another year to get back in fighting shape. I got this information from a reliable source and have no reason to doubt its authenticity. May the force be with you.

A big thank you to the LDBC for enlightening me and it has opened my eyes to deontay wilder and his global worth. 1. Deontay and fury shared the 2nd biggest ever heavyweight title fight PPV in history selling an incredible 3.3 million PPV's. I thought it was 300'000 but I have been corrected. Thank you to BSTV for that one. 2. Deontay wilder could sell out wembley, 90'000 tickets, In a day, because wilder is a huge PPV draw in the UK. Thank you Blueballs sports TV for that one. 3. Anthony Joshua has shown no signs that he has any interest in making a deontay wilder fight, 100 million from DAZN was a fake offer and they could not guarantee wilder would be facing Joshua t all for 100 million. Thank you cali enigma, I think, for that one. 4. He is pregnant, that is why he is ducking Joshua! Let those facts sink in. The LDBC have been telling us. I'm sure this can all be sourced and confirmed with facts and numbers. You got number 4 right!

Wouldnt my 3 points from my original post not cover this? I know you claim to not believe those people said those things until i can provide proof but I know you know they said them so if we can just get past the little game of prove it and accept thats what they said. If they did then you should be able to post the link. You still haven't. I surely haven't seen anyone on this site post anything that retarded, nor have I seen anyone on here agree with that.

You said you don't view the opinions in those videos and attack the OP who is clearly telling the truth while you're not as usual saying the videos must be true ,so you are thinking like the LDBC because you do watch them, stop lying like they do.....It's becoming pathetic. No I don't and I'd have no reason to tell you otherwise. Asking for proof to support what was posted is attacking the OP. How is the OP clearly telling the truth when he gave no proof.

Give a specific example of the talking point please. What points made are not supported by the data? What specific analysis "starts with the end result in mind and try to build their story around it, without facts"? Wouldnt my 3 points from my original post not cover this? I know you claim to not believe those people said those things until i can provide proof but I know you know they said them so if we can just get past the little game of prove it and accept thats what they said.

I just did. I think it's pretty clear that most Canelo fans agree 90% of the time, and Ward/Mayweather/Wilder fans agree on 90% of the stuff on here. I didn't say black btw. Some Eastern Euro fans really like Loma, some really like GGG. I had Loma up 5-4 on Linares at the stoppage. Some Loma fans had him up big. A lot didn't. Stuff like that. Seems like on the 'big issues' for those fighters there is more of a wide range of opinions there, just my observation. Agree with what specifically? You have yet to give an example. You are throwing out general statements but avoiding giving specific examples so we can see if you're statement is true or not. Scoring fights-you have no factual evidence to support the fight scores were based on anything other than what people saw. Besides, you clearly said "talking points". Come on dude this shouldn't be that hard.

The clearest ones to me are how they almost universally have the same opinion about anything to do with Ward, GGG and Mayweather. And Wilder and Joshua. Just seems like an us vs them mentality they are starting with, and they are using whatever story they can, even if it isn't really supported by the facts, to help build their overall narrative. Some of the points made are really pretty ridiculous and not backed up by the data, so when you start to see the same points made, on all those different fighters, it makes you think. Especially when there is no balance to their analysis - everything that the 'other guy' does is awful. Everything 'their guy' does is the greatest. They start with the end result in mind and try to build their story around it, facts don't seem to matter. Give a specific example of the talking point please. What points made are not supported by the data? What specific analysis "starts with the end result in mind and try to build their story around it, without facts"?