Now that Wikder has admitted he is "running in a different direction to Joshua"

No, the fighter ducking is the fighter pricing himself out Wilder can't price himself out if Hearn refuses to maximize the pot. A fight at this level is always a percentage, but a percentage is pointless if the other side refuses to maximize revenue. im sure Joshua would fight on showtime(if they match the DAZN offer) Doesn't matter what Joshua would do, he's under an exclusive promotional agreement. He can't take the fight unless Hearn allows it and Hearn will only allow it if it's on DAZN.

No one runs from an over 100 million $ deal and wants a fight badly. Maybe that idiot THE Big Dunn would apparently hes got millions and tells others what low ball offers are ? lol https://youtu.be/ulWvFTiNZm8 This was Wilder before the Fury fight. He was anywhere and everywhere calling out Joshua. Coming off the hype of knocking out Ortiz, Wilder was as vocal as can be. Since the fury fight he been quieter than a hooker in church. He been making excuses and shows no interest at all. Suddenly he’s the consummate professional and business man GTFOH. Fight might never happen now, Wilder is scared he could be brutally dominated and beaten, possibly ko’d.

The worst thing that happened for this fight to happen is that the Wilder/Fury was a good fight that sold well. Now everybody is there promoter's cash fighter and now we are going to have this held up. At minimum it was suppose to be AJ vs Miller and Fury vs Wilder 2. We are not even getting that anymore.

Given that it is at around 10 times more than I can expect to be offered by anybody else for doing the same work then yes, I would bite their hand off ... if I actually wanted that work. If you say you would take it than so be it. I have posted at 3 times I know where the offer was rejected, even though it was more than they had ever made. In 2 of those times-GGG and Manny- the guy that rejected the offer eventually signed and got significantly more than they were initially offered. We will see with Wilder.

I am ignoring it because that doesn't justify your being against a flat fee offer in that case but being ok with it hen a guy you like offered it to a guy you don't. If you can't see the difference between one guy being offered a flat fee for a fight in a year's time, and another guy, who was fighting for lower purses at that time, being offered a higher flat for an immediate fight, then you are either retarded or hopelessly biased. And again, I was actually against it in both cases, but one offer was accepted and the other wasn't.

When 7x your biggest payday cuts you out of millions of dollars of revenue from subscriptions sold. Hearn now offered Wilder $100 mil for a 3 fight deal, 2 of which would have been with AJ. I think we can agree DAZN will sell at least 1 mil subscriptions in the US alone off these 2 fights. Wilder taking $100 mil deal is a fraction of the revenue the US subscriptions sales will generate, not to mention the live gate, merchandise and any DAZN subscriptions outside the US. So would you take that payday knowing you are responsible for generating anywhere from $100-300 million in subscriptions sales alone? Given that it is at around 10 times more than I can expect to be offered by anybody else for doing the same work then yes, I would bite their hand off ... if I actually wanted that work.

I didnt ask you anything you simpleton thats ONE,you responded to my post ! TWO, you have nothing for me to ask,unless im asking how is it possible you Wildertards got so dumb ? Its literally set a new standard of delusion and ignorance. And THREE .You cant be CUT out of anything if you are not making the amount you are claiming to be CUT out of and don't even generate PPV's in the sport you F;ING RETARD. The Big DUMB is your real name on here ! :tool: You're an imbecile. I should've remembered that when I responded to answer the question. Wilder and his team know that the fight will generate a significant amount of revenue even though he nor AJ are established US PPV stars because the fight is highly anticipated. His not taking a guaranteed amount that would cut him out of the total revenue generated makes sense to anyone but you. It's the same decision GGG made relative to Canelo and Manny to Floyd. I apologize for assuming you were capable of having an adult conversation. I will not make that mistake again.

GGG wanted to fight Canelo next because he knew he wan't getting any younger. The flat fee offer he got came with a date, which was over a year down the line, giving him no incentive to accept it, because he wouldn't have gotten the fight one day earlier if he had. I must have told you that a dozen times over the past 2 years, but you keep ignoring it or trying to pretend it didn't matter. I've also told you several times that I never said Wilder should accept a flat fee. But he did accept it and if he'd signed the contract he asked Hearn to send him the fight would have happened last year. Re Kovalev and Stevenson, the fact that all 3 attempts to make that fight were initiated by Kathy Duva, and Haymon never once tried to make it happen himself, should be evidence enough of who wanted it and who didn't. I am ignoring it because that doesn't justify your being against a flat fee offer in that case but being ok with it hen a guy you like offered it to a guy you don't. That is not true. the fight was attempted to be made twice-blocked once when HBO didn't sign Adonis and Haymon got hima deal with SHO and the 2nd time Duva asked out of the mando spot after asking for it and re signed with HBO to avoid losing a possible purse bid. Look you are going to give Hearn/AJ every benefit of the doubt. I get that.

The only difference is you were against when it was GGG and ok when it is Wilder. It should be noted you are a GGG fan but not a Wilder fan. In another similar situation-Kov/Stevenson-when Duva asked out of the mando position and re-signed with HBO, thus blocking the fight, you made sure to go all the way back to the beginning when Al blocked the fight first. Here, with Wilder/AJ you don't go back to the beginning. It should be noted you like Kov and not Wilder. You're a solid poster but your bias in these situations is glaring. If you simply stay consistent and judge the flat fee offer made to Wilder as you did the flat fee offer made to GGG or if you went back to the beginning of the situation like you did with Kov/Stevenson, then we wouldn't be having this ongoing back and forth. GGG wanted to fight Canelo next because he knew he wan't getting any younger. The flat fee offer he got came with a date, which was over a year down the line, giving him no incentive to accept it, because he wouldn't have gotten the fight one day earlier if he had. I must have told you that a dozen times over the past 2 years, but you keep ignoring it or trying to pretend it didn't matter. I've also told you several times that I never said Wilder should accept a flat fee. But he did accept it and if he'd signed the contract he asked Hearn to send him the fight would have happened last year. Re Kovalev and Stevenson, the fact that all 3 attempts to make that fight were initiated by Kathy Duva, and Haymon never once tried to make it happen himself, should be evidence enough of who wanted it and who didn't.

Why are Team Wilder not countering then? Make an offer, they seem to know what you know, Showtime PPV smashes it, makes Wilder millions more than 40 for 1 fight with Joshua. SO HIT COLLECT, take that money before one of them gets knocked out by Kownacki or Ortiz. Or are you saying they are letting it marinate? How much bigger does this fight get? Have they realized that nobody still gives a crap about Wilder? Do they want to give Joshua a year to build himself in the States? Maybe Wilder isnt going to get any bigger? Hes had 41 fights, hes done his 1st PPV and now hes dropped back off again. A PPV star draws the sales on his own name, like Anthony Joshua does. Does it still need marination? Come on dude can we at least have an adult conversation. AJ is on DAZN. DAZN needs to sell subscriptions. Hearn isn't going to let AJ fight anywhere else. Haymon isn't going to help Hearn sell DAZN subscriptions by allowing them exclusive rights to the biggest fight in the sport. SO he will not allow Wilder to go to DAZN. It's not about marination. AJ is clearly the A side but his name alone hasn't moved DAZN sales at the expected level. He isn't a household name in the US and I don't think beating Andy Ruiz is going to make him one. Do you? Wilder didn't drop off. Fury ran away from him. That doesn't make wilder look bad, that makes Fury look bad. The fight could've happened before and could happen now but Hearn then and Haymon now are preventing it.

Nobody knows if the 15m flat fee was lowball or not, the fight never happened but for some perspective, it would needed to have matched AJ vs Wlad for 15m to equate to 30-35%.

You asked a question. I answered it. The answer is straightforward. You give a retarded, childish response because even an idiot such as yourself would also turn down an offer that cuts you out of millions. Why are Team Wilder not countering then? Make an offer, they seem to know what you know, Showtime PPV smashes it, makes Wilder millions more than 40 for 1 fight with Joshua. SO HIT COLLECT, take that money before one of them gets knocked out by Kownacki or Ortiz. Or are you saying they are letting it marinate? How much bigger does this fight get? Have they realized that nobody still gives a crap about Wilder? Do they want to give Joshua a year to build himself in the States? Maybe Wilder isnt going to get any bigger? Hes had 41 fights, hes done his 1st PPV and now hes dropped back off again. A PPV star draws the sales on his own name, like Anthony Joshua does. Does it still need marination?

The fight was based on 50 million U.K fight . Stop pocket watching like Wilder you head case , your not even a fighter ...give me a break with the he got that ****...lol ! :tool: You asked a question. I answered it. The answer is straightforward. You give a retarded, childish response because even an idiot such as yourself would also turn down an offer that cuts you out of millions.

Wilder wanted the fight bad with Joshua. After getting taken to school by Fury that’s half the fighter of Joshua, he has been ducking blatantly. Wilder has a good fight ahead, Brezeale ain’t the best HW but given Wilders limited ability, he is a live dog. Let’s discuss after the fight and see where everything stands.

They want the fight on PPV to maximize revenue. They believe DAZN will be significantly weaker next year, increasing their leverage to insist on PPV. The side ducking is the side insisting the fighters make less. That side is Hearn's side. He wants DAZN, even though the fighters will make less, because he needs to keep DAZN happy so they don't cancel their contract with him. No, the fighter ducking is the fighter pricing himself out...im sure Joshua would fight on showtime(if they match the DAZN offer) with a 70-30(or similar) split in his favour, would Wilder?. Joshua is the money here lets not forget that, no amount of internet "gamesmanship" can hide that.

Parker got under 7 million and was a PPV attraction in NZ with a % off a smaller fight. Why is it that hard to understand that and since when is 7 x your highest pay a low offer ....offer being the key word ? :bs2: When 7x your biggest payday cuts you out of millions of dollars of revenue from subscriptions sold. Hearn now offered Wilder $100 mil for a 3 fight deal, 2 of which would have been with AJ. I think we can agree DAZN will sell at least 1 mil subscriptions in the US alone off these 2 fights. Wilder taking $100 mil deal is a fraction of the revenue the US subscriptions sales will generate, not to mention the live gate, merchandise and any DAZN subscriptions outside the US. So would you take that payday knowing you are responsible for generating anywhere from $100-300 million in subscriptions sales alone?

hearn offered wilder very little money to fight in 2018. offered right around what joe parker made. joe parker got a split FFS! 30-35%. brits are very quick to forget all of that! wilder didn't have the buying power then that he has now. the guy clearly did well on ppv and at the gate with the fury fight. the fury rematch is on the table and will be huge. that gave haymon a ton of leverage and it threw a wrench in things. as a boxing fan who wants to see these guys fight now it sucks to see that al haymon and wilder are looking to play the same long game that joshua and hearn took. just don't forget that hearn wanted to put the fight off too! sucks, doesn't it? these two are playing the same game floyd and manny played. nobody would know who AJ is in the US if it wasn't for wilder. likewise in the UK, nobody would know who the f#ck wilder is! let's hope they don't do it for 5-6 years! floyd became damn near a billionaire fighting no hopers while hyping up his fights with pacquiao - mayweather rhetoric. manny made half a billion doing the same thing. would floyd's fight with robert guerrero be that big without the pacquiao fight looming? would manny have been given a second and third chance for a robbery and a knockout loss to marquez if not for the mayweather fight looming? what's scary is that this is good for business. these guys dind't need to fight each other in '18. wilder needed joshua more than he needed wilder. now they really don't need each other to cruise to 10+ million dollar paydays against dominic brezeale or jarrel miller Yes Brits are quick to forget things when they are NOT TRUE. I cant believe you Americans are still running around waving the wrong numbers around. Wilder was being offered much more than Joseph Parker was we all know it. Oh and Parker got 7 million. So even though you calling it very little money its still the equivalent of his highest ever payday which was his Fury PPV. So how low would 7 of been at that time? Not that it was, it was more and we all know it.

To be honest I think Team Wilder are right to delay the fight. Because now they have started doing their jobs for him. They are now building him like they should have done before he attached his name to Joshua’s name. He was the one that should have been in Joshua’s position with the right fights and risk. But they protected him for far too long. This was why he went through that mental stage of crying about being ducked and not having the opportunity to fight risky fights. I believe it’s more to do with his team protecting him. Now that he has that little attention from the Joshua’s name and Fury fight, he wants to build on that and make his own name, so I understand but not necessarily agree with it. I agree about the protecting part about Wilder. His team really messed up with holding him back from developing a respectable resume for so long. There just was no urgency and I was always sitting there wondering like c'mon guys, you have a guy named Anthony Joshua hot on your heels taking every opportunity out there while you sit on your hands. It makes me think his team just doesn't have the business expertise or confidence to get a deal done with a Klitschko back then. Wilder is what.. 34 now? The ship for him to make a name has sailed. There is nothing more defining and no better way to size out competition than beating the one guy rated higher than you. Either they don't think Wilder beats Joshua or they're simply incompetent at business.

Laugh at it and dismiss it is what we do. Hell ive just read one of your posts from the last hour which states ANTHONY JOSHUA IS DUCKING DEONTAY WILDER. Not only do you lie about the sport you lie about yourself trying to tell us you are a big shot promoter. Come on now sweet heart we just dont believe anything you say. awesome. couldnt care less what you believe. why would your uneducated inexperienced amateur opinion matter to me? hearn is the one refusing to maximize revenue for the fighters. if you want to insist that someone is ducking, you have to blame the side only willing to do the fight on an app nobody has when PPV would generate a lot more money.

Don't care who believes what. I post the truth and the land of idiots can do with it as they wish. Laugh at it and dismiss it is what we do. Hell ive just read one of your posts from the last hour which states ANTHONY JOSHUA IS DUCKING DEONTAY WILDER. Not only do you lie about the sport you lie about yourself trying to tell us you are a big shot promoter. Come on now sweet heart we just dont believe anything you say.