There are 5 belts holders at 147 if you count Mannys regular belt you 5 guy at the top right now in Manny, Thurman, Porter, Crawford, Spence.
Danny G was there but Thurman and Porter gave him his Ls he isnt top Welter imo anymore.
Point is Crawford Spence are the top 2 but they need too take down everyone else in the middle and get their belts to fully unify as top 2 battling for #1.
This isnt that big a fight man. This isnt how you build, you dont even know spence's potential yet. Even pbc doesnt have as much fate as you lot, in ellerbe's words spence is unproven, we dont know if he's the best of the pbc boys this is why thurman is getting pacquiao, as the most accomplished. I think it's more likely they risk thurman vs crawford before spence. (Although i'd doubt it, unless he again seperates himself under his umbrella).
If we thought like the fuking ts we wouldnt have even gotten thurman garcia or porter, it'd have been marinated to be a huge event. Just make the damn fights happen when they matter, someone will seperate themselves as thurman did from the welterweight division in his reign, and when two accomplished fighters come together you got your big event. Dont try to force it.
The bold: I stopped reading here. That's not why. The reason is because Thurman is the top softest pick.
After Pac saw Danny last weekend, he didn't want any of that. Thurman is not a top anything, IMO. He isn't even a has-been.
While I agree, it doesn't have to happen next, it should happen after Spence unifies with Porter. But we know it won't. What will happen is Spence will beat Porter in September, then he will have a random fight at home, then he will fight a mandatory, then he will fight Thurman or manny if one still has the belt, then they will fight another Mandatory, then maybe they entertain the Crawford fight lol.
So maybe 2022 if we are lucky...
Meanwhile Crawford will be fighting bums and anyone Arum to round up that we've ever heard of that can make 147
Excellent post.
The bold: Amazing! Hope you are wrong. I personally won't stick around for that.
If all of these good young and semi-young boxers are not going to fight each other or a top competition, including the guy in my avatar, I won't even mention their names.
Why keep them in print and word if they are ignoring you? Boxing is becoming a BIG joke. I don't care for the politics and all that BS.
Not really marnination its just they need to take out other belt holders first then take each other on.
Which belt holder is in Crawford's stable? If they have to deal with PBC, go for their best first, Spence. In exchange for Davis vs one of their fighters. I don't care for the heavy division at all.
Danny Garcia vs Crawford would be good after that too.
I'm not making any money off of the fight whether it happens now or later. Zero reason for being a proponent of marination. That's goes for this fight and any other.
This is a top post. I completely agree. I can't Green K you now. I'll send you some points, instead.
To the bolded, I'd add, or never.
These boxers and promoters take the fans for granted, like we are children. Give us the fights we want or we'll move on until you do, or don't. That goes for all. I'm tired of all the BS.
It should really happen next, or at least later this year. I don't understand why fans would rather just not watch it now, I really don't get it unless they're just favoring one of the two and feel that delaying the fight benefits their preferred fighter.
If thurman beats the fuk outtta pacquiao, and spence were to beat crawford this, or early next year, that thurman fight would be bigger than spence fighting a past prime crawford who was frozen out for im gonna guess 3 years, going by the pace haymon likes his fighters to fight at.
100%. Big fights like this NEVER happen when there are so many players on the field still.
I mean despite most or for sure many of us feeling that Bud & Spence are the top two you could argue they have the worst 147lb resumes oddly enough.
Thurman & Manny got the best resumes. Porter has fought Thurman, Danny & Brook. Spence's best win is Brook by a mile. Bud's best win is probably Horn ffs. Both Bud & Spence need to enhance their resumes to make this fight make sense to both of them. Sure it would be better for us fans if they would fight now & someone just gots a L when they likely fight again if they are proven to be the top 2 at a future date, but the business of boxing don't work like that & this is a business & Bud & Spence are wanting to get the most money for what is probably going to be the most risky fight for both of them. No one wants to take short money for big risk if they don't got to.
This isnt that big a fight man. This isnt how you build, you dont even know spence's potential yet. Even pbc doesnt have as much fate as you lot, in ellerbe's words spence is unproven, we dont know if he's the best of the pbc boys this is why thurman is getting pacquiao, as the most accomplished. I think it's more likely they risk thurman vs crawford before spence. (Although i'd doubt it, unless he again seperates himself under his umbrella).
If we thought like the fuking ts we wouldnt have even gotten thurman garcia or porter, it'd have been marinated to be a huge event. Just make the damn fights happen when they matter, someone will seperate themselves as thurman did from the welterweight division in his reign, and when two accomplished fighters come together you got your big event. Dont try to force it.
Crawford is 31, he aint got much time left in his prime. Fight should happen now or never, theses are the two best welter right now. In my opinion, Thurman, Porter and Garcia are second class, behind Spence and Crawford.
only in boxing you hear mofos say "no, i dont wanna see the best fight the best, i can wait" LOL
i love boxing but sometimes feel like FCK THIS SHT
never heard a pack of UFC heads talk about marinating a damn thing
how old is crawford again? and u mofos are in favor of stalling??? cant make this sht up
There are 5 belts holders at 147 if you count Mannys regular belt you 5 guy at the top right now in Manny, Thurman, Porter, Crawford, Spence.
Danny G was there but Thurman and Porter gave him his Ls he isnt top Welter imo anymore.
Point is Crawford Spence are the top 2 but they need too take down everyone else in the middle and get their belts to fully unify as top 2 battling for #1.
You're giving the belts top much importance imho.
Pacquiao's belt doesn't count for starters and he's also past his best.
Thurman either isn't ready or is also past his best.
Porter's belt belongs to Thurman.
It's clear who the two best guys are. Let's get then in the ring, run a trilogy and move on.
Spence can cement his legacy at 154 and 160, he's big enough.
While I agree, it doesn't have to happen next, it should happen after Spence unifies with Porter. But we know it won't. What will happen is Spence will beat Porter in September, then he will have a random fight at home, then he will fight a mandatory, then he will fight Thurman or manny if one still has the belt, then they will fight another Mandatory, then maybe they entertain the Crawford fight lol.
So maybe 2022 if we are lucky...
Meanwhile Crawford will be fighting bums and anyone Arum to round up that we've ever heard of that can make 147
Not as big of a fight as WE the Impatient Boxing Fans are pretending like it is honestly. The Casual Sports Fan here in America are still learning about both. It is building momentum now though with all the discussions about it going on so it is going to be a big one if they keep winning and IF it is instead for ALL THE BELTS!
Instead of doing it now and it just be for the IBF and the WBO while you still have Shawn Porter, Thurman and Pacquiao still running around with Belts. Right Now I think he does maybe 350-450K MAYBE compared to it potentially doing way more if it was that Mega Unification bout
It should be the ultimate Unification Show Down and deep down fans know this but people just want to talk sh#t about these fighters and want to label them "Duckers" and all these Childish BS. Neither side is saying the fight will never happen, it is just not happening NEXT!
Now AJ vs Wilder...that is ready to be done NOW with ZERO EXCUSES! Both have all the Belts among the 2 so no Marination is need. That one is being overcooked right now!
Thats r
the problem with boxing people cherry pick It's better to have 3 fights between these two than wait 6 years and have two has beens going at it in a bore feast like Pacquiao vs Mayweather
There a diffrence with May/Pacq and these guys they have 3 other World Champs in there way they still need to prove there top 2 and beat them.
Manny and Floyd were undeniable top 2 for years it was on them to make prove who was the best they didnt have any other guys in their way big diffrence.
You know boxing is ****ed up when you have fans not even on the business side of things calling for marination.
Not really marnination its just they need to take out other belt holders first then take each other on.
I dont understand this mentality. Just make the best fights available at the time. If the first fight is good they can make a rematch or trilogy out of it, why wait? Wtfs the point in seeing them fight Danny garcia or porter first?
Danny g is out of loop imo but Porter Thurman and Manny have the other belts they need to get the other belts then maybe next year go at it as top 2 to fully unify the division.
Thats r
the problem with boxing people cherry pick It's better to have 3 fights between these two than wait 6 years and have two has beens going at it in a bore feast like Pacquiao vs Mayweather
You know boxing is ****ed up when you have fans not even on the business side of things calling for marination.