lowball eddie confirmed

Just bumping this thread so everyone here can see what a joke OP is. Have a great day.

It's incredible how some fans think all these fighters are wrong and should just accept whatever trash Eddie offers them. Another crackhead hillbilly exposed.

his last 3 fights since he got knocked out by Wilder have been undercard fights. Where has his stock and value risen? Being the televised co-feature on a fight a ton of people are watching increases your value far more than being in the main event of a show nobody saw.

Spot on, replacing one cheat with another is poor. if pedvtkin got a shot Ortiz should get one, but turning down $5mil was stupid

how does that make sense? explain your decision, don't just state it miller has a much lower profile in the united states than ortiz, who was in a fight of the year candidate with an american HW who has crossed over a bit in deontay wilder. did he have wilder hurt or not? was the fight close and exciting, or not? miller is also ranked lower on any credible list at HW and ortiz is a knockout puncher while miller has relatively little power. so yeah, you shoot yourself in the foot when jarrel miller gets so much money if you aren't willing to pay a better replacement the same or more. did he deserve 10 million? of course not. but he deserved what jarrell miller was going to get. the only reason why i think he "should" have taken five million is because hearn wasn't offering any more. but that doens't make it "right" or just and that's soemthing you clearly don't get or care about. you just can't let eddie hearn do a single thing wrong and it shows every time you post! ttalk to me again :lol1: Ortiz's own fuking manager attacking their promoter for turning down this unbelievable promoter. Worth more doe. Man you guys are so thick it's unreal

how does that make sense? explain your decision, don't just state it miller has a much lower profile in the united states than ortiz, who was in a fight of the year candidate with an american HW who has crossed over a bit in deontay wilder. did he have wilder hurt or not? was the fight close and exciting, or not? miller is also ranked lower on any credible list at HW and ortiz is a knockout puncher while miller has relatively little power. so yeah, you shoot yourself in the foot when jarrel miller gets so much money if you aren't willing to pay a better replacement the same or more. did he deserve 10 million? of course not. but he deserved what jarrell miller was going to get. the only reason why i think he "should" have taken five million is because hearn wasn't offering any more. but that doens't make it "right" or just and that's soemthing you clearly don't get or care about. you just can't let eddie hearn do a single thing wrong and it shows every time you post! Miller was gifted way too much too. Why? 1) Undefeated 2) American 3) Trash talker 4) From New York Which of these does Ortiz fit? zero. 7million or 5million or whatever he was offered is insanely good for anyone not named Wilder, Fury or Whyte. He should have gone on his knees and thanked his lucky stars that AJ decided to bless him with life-changing money. Turning it down out of principle is what keeps broke people broke. He'll take 200k in his next fight. sTucK tO mY PriNCiPlEs dOe

I think 5 mil was a good offer for ortiz, they could have just offered him the same that they offered miller as well but at this point in ortiz career he should have taken it... but it seems like his promoter is the one who turned it down and he was ok with it. Confusion

Y'all keep bringing up his past paydays like that **** matters. Circumstances are different, vastly different. His stock has gone up since then. He would be fighting the second biggest draw in boxing right now. He's taking the fight on short notice. DAZN needs a big fight to move subs. If Ortiz feels like he deserves more and that he has the leverage to demand it I can't blame him. Seriously, Hearns should just open up the check book and stop being so damn greedy. What was McGregor's biggest payday before he fought Floyd? Nowhere near what he made fighting May, yet Floyd was willing to give him a good split to get the fight done. Firstly McGregor was bringing 1million plus ppv buys with him it’s not the same. How has Ortiz value gone up? What has he done since, earned more? Headlined his own shows? No. There’s no tangible evidence his stock has gone up. I’m not him if he thinks he’s worth more he should go for it but I’m not going to sit here and act like 5million is a shîtty offer considering he said he would fight for any amount and he was paid 500k to fight for one title and now he has the opportunity to fight for three. I think if you want to talk about who’s being greedy given the circumstances it’s ortiz.

It’s been amazing people think 5mil is a lowball offer to someone who previously said they’d take the fight for any amount of money and has a career high payday of 500k Y'all keep bringing up his past paydays like that **** matters. Circumstances are different, vastly different. His stock has gone up since then. He would be fighting the second biggest draw in boxing right now. He's taking the fight on short notice. DAZN needs a big fight to move subs. If Ortiz feels like he deserves more and that he has the leverage to demand it I can't blame him. Seriously, Hearns should just open up the check book and stop being so damn greedy. What was McGregor's biggest payday before he fought Floyd? Nowhere near what he made fighting May, yet Floyd was willing to give him a good split to get the fight done.

1) that makes no sense. You get paid your worth not for the job, otherwise every challenger would get paid exactly the same which we all know is not the case. 2) there was no negotiation, they received an out of this world offer, rejected it, went public and called it lowball to save their own grace. I have always felt that there are many things we are not aware of with negotiations... Making it hard to make a statement about the results. BUT according to boxing norms, a kid making his way up, a prospect, etc... Might have a material affect on the sum offered, I get that. But a seasoned fighter substituting for another fighter of similar agency... that presents a slightly different scenario. Baby Face has been around and so has Ortiz. The job at hand is to be a credible threat to Joshua based on a certain ability. But back to my initial point: Are we entirely sold on the idea that Ortiz would be "clean" if he tested for this fight? Seems to me that may not be the case and would be a reason to cry foul at the offer.

I’m done with this issue anyway, Ortiz is a cheater he doesn’t deserve all these title shots anyway. Why reward another cheater? Find someone else Spot on, replacing one cheat with another is poor.

It's incredible how some fans think all these fighters are wrong and should just accept whatever trash Eddie offers them. Yeh i can see your point, i mean what kind of old man at the tail end of his fairly non event career would fight for a mere 5m purse (10 x higher than any he had had before) while getting nothing more than a chance to fight for the heavyweight championship of the world at MSG. I am sure his next fight he will get a purse and fight of the magnitude that an old bloke on the slide deserves.

Miller was headlining on a service nobody has on shows nobody was buying tickets to. The public doesn't know who he is. Not his fault.But HBO and Showtime never got behind him. HBO and Showtime have various points have both gotten behind Ortiz. I will repeat, his last 3 fights since he got knocked out by Wilder have been undercard fights. Where has his stock and value risen? You just say it, im trying to find the proof you havnt provided but i just cant see it. If his stock had risen from the Wilder fight he wouldnt be undercarding. If his value had risen he would be getting paid more. You are saying his value and stock has risen. Where? Saying Showtime, at various points what ever the hell that means, have gotten behind him means what exactly? You should be telling me he headlines, you should be telling me he gets paid more money and i would have to say yes you are right his stock has risen. But all i got then was Showtime have started to get behind him.

I’m done with this issue anyway, Ortiz is a cheater he doesn’t deserve all these title shots anyway. Why reward another cheater? Find someone else I agree but a lot of people think he’s the best available opponent. Tbh it’s slim pickings if it was down to me I’d choose konowacki.

It makes perfect sense as Ortiz isn’t his fighter miller was. 5 mil not a lowball when he accepted 500k to fight wilder. I’m done with this issue anyway, Ortiz is a cheater he doesn’t deserve all these title shots anyway. Why reward another cheater? Find someone else

based on the idiotic logic of the AJ/hearn fanboys since they ortizs previous high payday was 500k should hearn have offered ortiz 501k and said "hey we gave you a raise..more than your previous high"? would that be ok with you? if you answer yes you should go drink a nice lukewarm glass of bleach....because you have no concept of markets and money and life hearn set the market....6.5...if you are ranked higher than miller and actually have US tv exposure and have been in a FOTY candidate against wilder in ny then you are entitled to at least that...... but its obvious hearn would rather give AJs fans an easy night work and a knockout and save himself 4.5 million it boggles my mind how dumb you guys can actually be....like you cant really believe your own BS Lmao he’s not offering 501k though is he. There’s a big difference between 5mil and 501k. If your biggest payday is 500k for a world title fight I really don’t know how you can call 5mil for three fights a low ball offer. It’s less than what miller is getting but Hearn obviously thinks miller brings more attention being from New York but either way Hearn doesn’t owe Ortiz anything. Miller was his fighter so I get why he was offered more. You’re showing your bias because rather than focusing on the fact Ortiz said he would fight aj for anything and then turning down a massive sum of money you’re trying to claim Hearn is low balling him.

Was Miller headlining his last 3 fights or was he an undercard fighter? How big of an attraction is Ortiz if his name doesnt even carry the strength of a headline fight. Miller was headlining on a service nobody has on shows nobody was buying tickets to. The public doesn't know who he is. Not his fault.But HBO and Showtime never got behind him. HBO and Showtime have various points have both gotten behind Ortiz.

It's incredible how some fans think all these fighters are wrong and should just accept whatever trash Eddie offers them. It’s been amazing people think 5mil is a lowball offer to someone who previously said they’d take the fight for any amount of money and has a career high payday of 500k

Of course it’s a lowball they’re just using Ortiz name to generate some attention for AJ. They never wanted to fight him or else they would of at least offered Ortiz the same purse as Miller. Why offer a fighter a lower number to fight on a short notice. Doesn’t makes sense but like old man Bob said Hearn has absolutely no idea what he’s doing. It makes perfect sense as Ortiz isn’t his fighter miller was. 5 mil not a lowball when he accepted 500k to fight wilder.

Correct, but Ortiz is still a much bigger attraction than Miller. Ortiz would also be taking the fight on short notice. If Miller was getting 6.5, I can understand Ortiz holding out for 8, especially since he can likely make close to 8 in a Wilder rematch, and he'd get a full camp. Was Miller headlining his last 3 fights or was he an undercard fighter? How big of an attraction is Ortiz if his name doesnt even carry the strength of a headline fight.