I don't wanna hear this 'Ortiz is a boogieman' BS ever again

Why is everyone a shill when they don’t agree though? I’ve been called a PBC, Top Rank and Golden Boy shill just for giving opinions on things. I’ve found Panda to be pretty fair, he was the only American Eddie Hearn supporter when DAZN launched. Frankie2jabs is a shill. :lol1: :lol1:

A lot of the so called ' fair and reasonable' posters are bias as hell when you see their angles on different topics over years and years. Maybe Pandas has always been a Haymon cocksucker and it was Hearn offering fights on DAZN to PBC guys that made him switch from liking Eddie to shitting on every move he makes and every word that comes out if his mouth.

No bogeyman, using money as an excuse not to make the fight

Supposedly he said not because he was already guaranteed the Wilder rematch for later this year. Ortiz already swerved AJ once to fight Wilder instead, for a lot less money, so that would make sense. I wish they could be honest about it though, instead of trying to spin this narrative about AJ ducking both of them.

Why is everyone a shill when they don’t agree though? I’ve been called a PBC, Top Rank and Golden Boy shill just for giving opinions on things. I’ve found Panda to be pretty fair, he was the only American Eddie Hearn supporter when DAZN launched. Frankie2jabs is a shill. I used to think Panda was a fair poster and he probably still is, but not when it comes to PBC/Haymon and DAZN/Hearn. He isn't stupid, so how do you explain the idiotic rubbish he's been posting about Hearn lately, like the shit I responded to in this thread? The fact that he was a Hearn/DAZN supporter, then completely changed his stance after taking a break from posting here, is the reason why I'm calling him out as a shill. He isn't the only American DAZN supporter, btw, there are plenty of others.

Yes, I know he's a PBC shill and there's is no point trying to have a conversation with him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of what he's saying there: Hearn: "We'll pay you xxx$$$ to fight AJ" Ortiz: "No way, that's a lowball ... but send me a contract anyway. Just make sure you throw it away after I sign it and send it back." :lol1: Why is everyone a shill when they don’t agree though? I’ve been called a PBC, Top Rank and Golden Boy shill just for giving opinions on things. I’ve found Panda to be pretty fair, he was the only American Eddie Hearn supporter when DAZN launched. Frankie2jabs is a shill.

Are you really replying to panda? Seriously! You know he is a PBC guy right lol. He wanted a contract sent out, even though Team Ortiz didn’t agree the lowball offer and you are replying to him? Lol, you got time mate. Yes, I know he's a PBC shill and there's is no point trying to have a conversation with him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of what he's saying there: Hearn: "We'll pay you xxx$$$ to fight AJ" Ortiz: "No way, that's a lowball ... but send me a contract anyway. Just make sure you throw it away after I sign it and send it back." :lol1:

Yea PBC works with everyone. Eddie worked with everyone in the US...til he came to the US now he's much more selective. Bob works with virtually no one unless you let him decide the game being played. No one is "skirting" the Ali Act you big silly. Or if anyone is the offended party is making too much money to care idk. I don't think in the history of the Ali Act anyone has been successfully charged or punished for breaking it. Well thats definitely PBC. Thats why he's got the best reviews of any player in boxing since I've been watching boxing. Eddie does good for his fighters to thats why he's got such loyal fighters on his squad. And if all this Joshua lowballing stuff is true he's ultimately looking out for his guy by doing that if its to avoid riskier fights & to maximize his money long term. So its not like doing things that piss off boxing fans, assuming he is doing so, isn't still in the best interest of his or whoever's fighters.Thats a legit issue with PBC cuz I don't think anyone feels with PBC's quality of roster they are seeing as many big name vs big name fights as they wanna see. Thing is Eddie's DAZN run has been pretty trash. I think Eddie is the best promoter in boxing (& for the record I think Haymon is the best manager in boxing), but I think his US run hasn't been good. And its not good that Joshua vs Big Baby isn't happening cuz that was his first really good show, although I'm in the minority with that opinion it seems, & this Joshua vs Hunter thing is not gonna have the same appeal with most fans that even Big Baby had as an opponent.2 is definitely wrong or Haymon fighters are lying against their own best interest. By all reasonable accounts Haymon pays his fighters the best money & in fact its often been quoted by guys like Hearn & Arum that Haymon in fact pays "too much money" ironically enough. And as to 1 I'd love to hear how Haymon "clearly" is violating the MAA? Please breakdown that for me cuz I'm legit curious how you think he's doing that. I think most of you cats have never even read the MAA to understand what could even be a violation, but if you are one of the few who speak on it who've read it I'm legit curious what you see as the issue.LOL huh? Most of the DAZN offers have been deemed less then they are making now by the fighters themselves.The only one thats legit is Wilder's situation, but thats a situation thats been proven to be a lowball situation based on how it went from $15M for 1 fight to now a $120M for multiple fights offer in about 6-8mos I believe & all Wilder do is lose a fight in that time period as I see it & got an official draw on the books.Who else has been offered "their highest payday" on DAZN?Wilder is legit, but thats a long game situation that could end up working out or not. We don't know sh^t about the Ortiz offer yet so idk how you seem to know something the rest of us don't. I think Mall, Mell, Broner & Mikey have all said they are making more money with PBC. I think Mikey just made his best career high payday with the Spence fight actually.The Tank situation is a lil trickier doe cuz Davis has a legit promoter unlike all the other guys mentioned. He's not reallllllly a free agent. He's a Floyd guy AND a PBC guy. Thats Floyd preventing him from earning bigger money with DAZN on some 3 fight deal like Eddie's giving those other guys. I don't know that I've heard Tank say he's making more with Floyd either & he certainly doesn't seem to have the best relationship with Floyd. But anyway thats a different situation being that Tank isn't even a free agent, but if he was a free agent I'd see your point with him as an example. cool story bro. via GIPHY

Supposedly he said not because he was already guaranteed the Wilder rematch for later this year.

That is idiotic bullshit. If Hearn or any other promoter sends a contract to a fighter and they sign it that is a legally binding agreement. If Hearn sent out multiple offers to multiple fighters and got multiple signed contracts back for the same fight he would be hit with multiple law suits very quickly! If Ortiz rejected the money he was offered there would be no reason to send him a contract. Are you really replying to panda? Seriously! You know he is a PBC guy right lol. He wanted a contract sent out, even though Team Ortiz didn’t agree the lowball offer and you are replying to him? Lol, you got time mate.

This entire sport is pathetic for real. Only good fight this year is Gennady vs Rolls who is undefeated and we have nothing else.

Wtf you even talking about brother? PBC gots more guys fighting on DAZN then Eddie has fighting on PBC. Y'all mfers need to think about some of this sh^t before you speak it. And we don't even know the details, but come the f#ck on when the choices are Ortiz a legit HW contender & maybe the 4th best guy & Ruiz, the king of the 24hr buffet deal & Hunter........idek wtf to say about him he's such a non-entity in the title picture then a lowball deal is gonna be the offer & I don't think in a business, a job you bend to a lowball offer & don't value yourself to the degree you should. Plus the fact Matchroom didn't even send Team Ortiz a contract, assuming Ortiz is being legit, says everything to me that Ortiz was not on the real shortlist cuz in this sorta late sub scenario you are sending out multiple offers to boxers & getting signed deals back that you'll have the money guy sign when the money guy's team figures out what they wanna do. So Ortiz not even getting a lowball offer to sign says he wasn't seriously considered to me. That is idiotic bullshit. If Hearn or any other promoter sends a contract to a fighter and they sign it that is a legally binding agreement. If Hearn sent out multiple offers to multiple fighters and got multiple signed contracts back for the same fight he would be hit with multiple law suits very quickly! If Ortiz rejected the money he was offered there would be no reason to send him a contract.

you're just proving my point. one side is open to working with fighters from elsewhere. the other isn't. one side doesn't try to skirt the ali act. the other does. one side truly works in the best interest of the fighters. the other side works in the best interest of the networks they are tied to. hearn can't contact haymon to do a deal to put his fighter on fox for two reasons. 1. because that clearly violates the ali act, and 2. hearn's networks pay the most money. again, i'll put it this way. haymon, as a supposed "adviser" has blocked waaay more fighters from earning highest paydays on DAZN than he has allowed. what's more, he's blocked them and somehow convinced them to take less money on other networks. Wilder. Ortiz. mell. mall. broner. davis. garcia. the list goes on. Am sure if PBC/Fox or showtime (Whichever one) offers a DAZN/Matchroom fighter a good deal they would fight on those network. You would not see Hearn blocking those fight, DAZN didn’t pick up the recent Whyte/Chisora rematch and guess what? Hearn negotiate a deal with Showtime.

Jacobs is a Haymon guy. Haymon is basically PBC lets be real. Hence Jacobs is a PBC guy who's just happens to have a 3(?) fight deal with Matchroom on DAZN currently. When that deal ends he'll either re-sign or join back with PBC. I heard they were talking of going back to PBC as is til they were guaranteed the Canelo fight. Again I ask what Matchroom fighters have been fighting on PBC shows? Thats the fluidness of being a manager with power in this sport is you can have guys fight on multiple platforms. Promoters can't, won't or seldom do do that. Charlo could end up being a DAZN guy soon to & he's a PBC guy also. Wilder had a deal with DAZN on the table recently. you're just proving my point. one side is open to working with fighters from elsewhere. the other isn't. one side doesn't try to skirt the ali act. the other does. one side truly works in the best interest of the fighters. the other side works in the best interest of the networks they are tied to. hearn can't contact haymon to do a deal to put his fighter on fox for two reasons. 1. because that clearly violates the ali act, and 2. hearn's networks pay the most money. again, i'll put it this way. haymon, as a supposed "adviser" has blocked waaay more fighters from earning highest paydays on DAZN than he has allowed. what's more, he's blocked them and somehow convinced them to take less money on other networks. Wilder. Ortiz. mell. mall. broner. davis. garcia. the list goes on.

The boogeyman has turned into a chicken. Yeah, don't wanna hear anything about this guy again. He should be condemned to everlasting mediocrity. Don't really care who he fights next. I hope his opponents would cry "lowball" as well when he's looking for someone to fight. He'll be 60 when Wilder rematches him.

You sh^tting me? One of the main guys on DAZN, Jacobs, is a PBC/Haymon guy. Jessie Vargas is too. Now tell who's fighting on PBC thats with Eddie/DAZN lately? lol no he's not. jacobs is exclusive to matchroom usa. go check your facts. eddie hearn is vargas' promoter. and really, those are the former pbc-promoted fighters who are smart enough to refuse to be slaves. al haymon is an advisor, so there's that. pbc is not a tv network. fox and showtime are. as far as that goes, matchroom fighters have fought on showtime, but you know doggone well that haymon is not about to work with hearn on anything. hearn is not the one stopping his fighters from fighting on other networks. your original contention was that haymon has way more fighters on dazn. i guess 2 vs 0 is "waay more". i'll put it this way. haymon, as a supposed "adviser" has blocked waaay more fighters from earning highest paydays on DAZN than he has allowed. what's more, he's blocked them and somehow convinced them to take less money on other networks. Wilder. Ortiz. mell. mall. broner. davis. garcia. the list goes on.

Al Gaymon and his plantation is a disgrace to boxing.

Did this dude just really call Haymon a slave master? What the hell. The DAZN shills are really angry everyone isn't lining up to kiss Hearn's ass

So being in training camp justify lying about taking the challenge while you have no intention taking that challenge? You really trying hard to spin his lies. What he said two months ago applies to the circumstances two months ago you wouldn't expect him to take the fight on short money, short notice to save Matchroom card when they passed him up for Miller two months ago

Yeah I think this one ***************ed up his reputation. They tried with that statement to clean up his reputation, but an educated person can pick apart that statement and see that he didn’t want that fight. From the start we have been told he wouldn’t take it because he has already been promised the Wilder rematch. So no surprises that he turns down the fight, the same fight he claimed he would take for “Any amount of money if Miller drops out” a couple of months ago.