Haymon/PBC might prevent the AJ vs Ortiz fight from happening.

What exactly would ortiz be dropping? Hes being offered a shot at the 3 belt heavyweight champ and 6.5 mill but if hes got some long term plan at 41 and doesnt need joshua then fair enough maybe i will eat my words. Not interested in the business side at all, none of my business. But there's this sense of self-entitlement coming from Hearn, because of his money. I can see why he rubs people in a wrong way.

A lot of these bigmouth fighters/promo teams change there tune when they get offered a fight for real. Its been a real tough 12 months for the pbc fans though so dont be too hard on them, most their fighters have either lost or been exposed as cowards, oh well at least they got claressa shields to cheer on now :lol1: Claressa is a good women's boxing champion. She's quite skilled and exciting to watch. Nothing wrong with rooting for her. Everyone has their own business plans, nobody is sitting around waiting for an offer from Hearn. You sound like everyone should drop whatever they're doing to accommodate him. Money is good, but it's not everything in life.

Man Wilder has nothing to do with it. Wilder will be the main person telling him to get that bag. Oh I don't doubt Wilder would be telling Ortiz to get that bag as you put it. It's more Haymon protecting Haymon's interest in profiting as much as he can from Wilder.

If Haymon actually is blocking this then there's only one reason... Deontay Wilder. Ortiz is one of the few fighters that Haymon can realistically sell as a competitive Wilder fight (along with maybe Kownacki) so if Haymon allows him to fight Joshua then that's one less fighter for Wilder to fight and less power for Haymon in negotiations with Hearn regarding a Wilder v Joshua fight. Beyond that Wilder is riding on a high off of his win off of Ortiz and draw with Fury... if Joshua does face Ortiz and wipes the floor of him in a far more dominant fashion than Wilder did then Wilder's stock and value plummets and subsequently Haymon will make less off of the real money fight. Man Wilder has nothing to do with it. Wilder will be the main person telling him to get that bag.

Wouldn’t be smart for AJ to take it, he would have to change his tactics so soon for a fighter who’s considered one of the best and who’s hungry! It makes more sense to make it seem like you’re interested to keep interest in AJ’s USA debut till they find someone to be a highlight reel KO, remember folks, Ortiz wasn’t even the first choice it was Miller and that was for a reason especially since Miller isn’t as known as Ortiz!

Ortiz is a killer, why would Joshua fight him?

This is what I've heard from people close to him, he had hand surgery about a month ago, he says he'll be ready and wants to take the fight, his camp is not so sure and has advised him to keep quiet while they negotiate with AJ's camp. On the ped cycling issue, of course nobody is going to say anything, but there's always something there in the back of their heads.

... of course they're not slaves... but they do have signed contracts -- about which we don't know shit, tbh... :) Yeah they would sign a contract with language that means they earn less, depending on what their advisor wants. Yep modern day slavery...

no excuse for this fight not to happen

If Haymon actually is blocking this then there's only one reason... Deontay Wilder. Ortiz is one of the few fighters that Haymon can realistically sell as a competitive Wilder fight (along with maybe Kownacki) so if Haymon allows him to fight Joshua then that's one less fighter for Wilder to fight and less power for Haymon in negotiations with Hearn regarding a Wilder v Joshua fight. Beyond that Wilder is riding on a high off of his win off of Ortiz and draw with Fury... if Joshua does face Ortiz and wipes the floor of him in a far more dominant fashion than Wilder did then Wilder's stock and value plummets and subsequently Haymon will make less off of the real money fight.

Agreed, these guys are NOT slaves. If he is a clean boxer then Haymon should be working for him and have his best interest at heart. If he advises him to turn down multiple millions because he has a rematch for him down the line then that's on Ortiz to say fuck off I want that fight. ... of course they're not slaves... but they do have signed contracts -- about which we don't know shit, tbh... :)

He’s on the wrong side of 40 and will never make as much money. 7 weeks should be enough given that he’s said he’d fight Wilder (and had done prior) at such notice. It is possible he’s still on his PED cycle I guess but turning down the fight isn’t a good look for the boogeyman image.

7 weeks inst enough yet he fought Wilder with 7 weeks camp.. This boogeyman is scared to hell of AJ.

Al Gaymon the cancer of boxing blocking this fight, he wants Ortiz to fight for 500k instead. ... rather blame Ortiz for that... :) Agreed, these guys are NOT slaves. If he is a clean boxer then Haymon should be working for him and have his best interest at heart. If he advises him to turn down multiple millions because he has a rematch for him down the line then that's on Ortiz to say fuck off I want that fight.

Either way he will be exposed as no boogeyman if he won't take it. ... tbh, I remember that Wilder was given more that "extra-time" to recover at some point...

:) ... man, maybe, I can't really know anyway... :) Either way he will be exposed as no boogeyman if he won't take it.

If Ortiz is cycling off PEDs than yes it's him to blame. :) ... man, maybe, I can't really know anyway... :)

... rather blame Ortiz for that... :) If Ortiz is cycling off PEDs than yes it's him to blame.

Al Gaymon the cancer of boxing blocking this fight, he wants Ortiz to fight for 500k instead. ... rather blame Ortiz for that... :)

Al Gaymon the cancer of boxing blocking this fight, he wants Ortiz to fight for 500k instead.