Everyone is juicing. If you think otherwise you're a moron.

All we can do is insist that they take the stringest testing available to modern science. Just sitting back and accepting or condoning cheating is not an option.

Did Sugar Ray/Dempsey/Marciano all juice too?

"Juicing" I don't know about that, fans still thinking guys are in the Locker Rooms injecting each other with Steroid Needles. I won't go that far BUT guys are on something especially to help with Recovery more than anything. Yes they all take some type of "Performance Enhancement Drugs", even if it is not on the banned list it is still a form of PED regardless if it is Lidocaine (Mayweather used this before Allegedly as did Oscar De La Hoya which people ignore). Oscar also used "Testosterone Boosters and Creatine" along with 9 other supplements going into the Trinidad Fight. Oscar De La Hoya has incorporated a testosterone booster and creatine among nine different supplements into his training regimen in preparation for tomorrow night's welterweight unification title bout against Felix Trinidad. Source:https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-09-17-9909170196-story.html To be fair these things wasn't "BANNED" at the time and Lidocaine is still not banned in Nevada BUT if it can help your performance and help allow you to performance with Brittle Hands, that is still a form of "Performance Enhancement" So even the Legends took some stuff to help them during Camp so yeah NOBODY is 100% Natural!

unless u are being tested 365 then there is always the chance u are juicing and then you have PED gurus like Memo Heredia who brag they can create undetectable PEDs "There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don't excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I've created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers." No wonder JMM was able to become Hulkquez at 40yo and almost kill Pacquiao

unless u are being tested 365 then there is always the chance u are juicing

Then it just becomes a battle of the chemists and doctors. If you are going to use additions, they might as well just get Glocks and have an old-fashioned duel. I don't know if it's so important,juicing is for endurance and maybe power to a lesser extent because punching power comes from technique, it doesn't make you technically better, it doesn't make your chin stronger

The sport is really messed up and every other day they want you to pay for yet a new app to watch it all. straight up. they have no idea how to distribute this product in 2019. for some reason sports have moved the most slowly away from TV. boxing has no idea what to do. the TV ratings for truax and quillin were downright scary.

I'm a moron then. I believe that most boxers are clean and if I didn't believe it, I couldn't watch it. why not, if everyone uses,it's still a level playing field

You guys are retarded.

I have a friend who is strong AF. The dude doesn't even work out but he has bulging veiny muscles. He gets picked on a lot because he's short (sad fact of life) and when he does I be excited as hell because i already know whats about to go down. He kicks ass with such speed and power its a pleasure to watch. All the guys in his family are muscular but he's the most gifted genetically. My point here is not everybody juices but I do suspect a lot do. Hell there are tons of people out there who cheats at some petty ass things with no gain so why not in sports when the vain IS high. I have met dudes like that too. Very short, stocky guys, who are very strong despite not looking the part. I remember this dude in my judo class years ago, short af and didn't look too strong, wasn't ripped at all, but was strong like a bull. He was a judo noob, barely knew the techniques, but still could manhandle everyone in sparring with sheer strenght, including black belts who were much bigger than him. When it was my turn he would freakin ragdoll me. I dont even wanna think what a punch from that dude would feel like, lol You know the saddest part? dude was a natural and could have been a killer judoka, but didn't really care about judo, he just visited the dojo occasionally because he was relatives with the sensei, and the sensei would ask him to join the students because we were short on ppl to practice :dunno: Nature is a cruel mistress, giving talents and gifts to people that won't do anything with them, and denying them to others to would kill for them

I agree. They might ALL be juicing. Do Lomachenko fights have VADA testing? Just wondering. That gut in the Crolla fight kind of made me very suspicious. If he fights Davis, he would definitely be going through advanced testing. actually Loma looks natural,Crolla on the other hand veins were popping almost out of his skin,linares back was full red spots and bumps when he fought loma

Joshua does have that bodybuilder stomach which raises eyebrows. That said, as WBA champion he is on their version of the WBC's Clean Boxing, called WBA Fair Boxing. They are both administered by VADA.

I have a friend who is strong AF. The dude doesn't even work out but he has bulging veiny muscles. He gets picked on a lot because he's short (sad fact of life) and when he does I be excited as hell because i already know whats about to go down. He kicks ass with such speed and power its a pleasure to watch. All the guys in his family are muscular but he's the most gifted genetically. My point here is not everybody juices but I do suspect a lot do. Hell there are tons of people out there who cheats at some petty ass things with no gain so why not in sports when the vain IS high.

I agree. They might ALL be juicing. Do Lomachenko fights have VADA testing? Just wondering. That gut in the Crolla fight kind of made me very suspicious. If he fights Davis, he would definitely be going through advanced testing. Yeah because Al is known for doing year round VADA testing for all his top boxers... /sarcasm Floyd never even did VADA at all, and never any type of year round random testing. Anyway, I'm so over that fight man. Don't ever want to see Loma fight that dude. Tank clearly wants to be the next Gary Russell Jr, just learning from the first one's mistake agreeing to fight Loma, and that's fine. Let him. And that goes for all these protected boxers. They should all come together and create like the D-League of boxing, and fight each other there in easier fights, and just leave the top boxers to fight each other separately, and keep their names of our their mouths.

BoxRec's rankings: 01.) AJ - several tell-tale signs of roids and hgh 02.) Wilder - lil bro with same s&c team and nutritionist just popped 03.) Tyson Fury - condemned for eating contaminated wild boar meat 04.) Dillian Whyte - banned back in day for "drinkin' a protein shake" 05.) Povetkin - has pissed dirty several times 06.) Miller - big fat dirty waster 07.) Luis Ortiz - 50 years old and juiced to the gills 08.) Pulev - has a clean record 09.) Joseph Parker - has a clean record 10.) Breazeale - has a clean record Further down the rankings you go, more and more failed tests come up. Former champions Stiverne, Browne, Charr, Chagaev all popped. Klitschko was no doubt juicing. Vitali failed a test. I think anyone who makes a statement like the one you made is generally a moron. You can’t say every pro boxer uses PEDs. That’s not fair nor is it true.

I'm a moron then. I believe that most boxers are clean and if I didn't believe it, I couldn't watch it.

*Points at Mayweather and Billy Hoe Saunders* Saunders is probably the worst example of a fighter currently active.Pulls out constantly last minute, claims everyone avoids him, cheats to avoid the one good fighter who became hes mandatory. Blatant cheat, trashes Canelo. Friends with Fury calls AJ a cheat.

AJ only uses VADA a few weeks before each fight. Plenty of time for him to complete his steroid cycle or anything else. I think he's on UKAD year round but they are completely incompetent. This guy did every PED possible while on UKAD, didnt even try to hide it, and they couldnt catch him for 6 years of testing. http://www.steroids.info/2012/07/18/ukad-finally-catches-boxer-using-epo-after-steroids-and-hgh-use-for-six-years/ UKAD don't test every single fighter, that would cost far too much. They start when you get to British title level and you make a name for yourself. That dude was just a bum who never became British champ so no advanced testing was ever going to be done. Just the piss test after the fight and nothing more. But it is nice to see you trawling the internet for smear stories due to your creepy obsession. But sorry, you fail on this one. Haha. Try again. Boy have AJ and Whyte f3cked you up. Big time.

Bull**** charges, where's the proof? UKAD are well known to be completely incompetent. They're well known for being incompetent? Give me examples outside of the Fury case?

AJ only does vada for a few weeks before each fight, after his steroid cycle. Sorry, but AJ does it for 12 weeks before a fight. Then he has random testing by the BBBofC. Do you accuse anyone who doesn't do VADA? You know, like Parker? Is he a cheat?