Anthony Joshua vs. Deontay Wilder: Which side are you on?

Well, only a few months ago the arguement wasn't about the figures, but the split. Parker got 65/35, Fury was offered 60/40 etc. So how can you be in favour of Wilder taking a deal that could equate to less than 85/15 across two fights? Say for example the first fight is a split of $40M Wilder and $75M AJ. That looks and sounds great. But what if the first fight is a thriller and vin the rematch the split is $40M Wilder and $200M AJ? He also turned down a guaranteed $20 million or 60/40 which is greater. So even if value was worth more he doesn’t lose out.... He has a choice of guaranteed money or a guaranteed split. THis guy seems to want his cake and eat it. Infact he’s only used to eating cupcakes but wants a wedding cake to eat, and a number of them. Reality is that is all a smokescreen and wilder (or his team) do not want the fight yet. That might be because they think the value will go up or it might simply be they aren’t confident of the win - but either way they don’t want the risk at this time for the significant money on offer. Joshua has consistently taken on tough opponents from early in his career so even despite some stories used against him from the wilder camp I struggle to see it. Career resumes say a lot and both are polar opposites currently!

I don't take sides, but AJ is my favourite of the two. He is better in almost every way in my opinion. He's fought better opposition too.

Hmm, I'm not sure if the "Wilder just wouldn't entertain ANY offer" is actually true, or just Eddie Hearn's spin on things. It seems like Wilder's side do have their own ideas and they will no longer entertain anything less than what they believe to be the value of the fight. Nothing from the Wilder team saying they tried for more or correcting Eddie, so that would seem the case. Wilders team appear to be waiting for the maximum value of the fight as per their words to make one last smash and grab, cashout fight against AJ otherwise they'd be taking the slight hit now to make the most money in the rest of Wilders career after gaining the US casual market by becoming Undisputed.

Wilder is right to be a ducker. His fans on here are pointing out that wilder missing out on a potential 6 hundred trillion dollars that's all going to Anthony Joshua even though they also claim the contract wasn't even for Joshua it was just a lie they were actually tricking wilder in to facing batman and Charles manson.

Well, only a few months ago the arguement wasn't about the figures, but the split. Parker got 65/35, Fury was offered 60/40 etc. So how can you be in favour of Wilder taking a deal that could equate to less than 85/15 across two fights? Say for example the first fight is a split of $40M Wilder and $75M AJ. That looks and sounds great. But what if the first fight is a thriller and in the rematch the split is $40M Wilder and $200M AJ? It's ridiculous, this is not even a debate. There are disparities in purse sizes between the two combatants in almost every fight. Wilder should have taken it. Hopefully he gets ktfo by Breazeale and we can all laugh at his delusional ass.

I'm in a no lose situation because I detest Joshua with a passion and so if he lost to Wilder, I'd find it amusing. However and mainly for the sake of English boxing, preferably I'd want him to win. Now Fury I'd like to clown the pair of them.

You're right, that is all that matters in the end when they finally step into the ring. But this is a Boxing forum, and I enjoy waffling nonsense on here and trying to get my head around different opinions. Yeah I understand bro, not knocking the conversation at all. Just stating how I feel

I'm on boxing's side. Couldn't care less about the back and forth between fanboys. This fight needs to happen You're right, that is all that matters in the end when they finally step into the ring. But this is a Boxing forum, and I enjoy waffling nonsense on here and trying to get my head around different opinions.

We're in the business of talking about 'if's' so to speak, you're angle is based on IF the first fight makes 100 mil or more which would appear to be a bigger 'if' as current PPV records do not quite point that direction. That said 40 mil for the second fight may well be underdoing it if they 100% expected to win the first, it would probably be considered the safe option. As I understood it DAZN were open to negotiation, the offers weren't take it or leave it but Wilder & Co simply said they'd think about the offers and later declined. If it's gonna be on PPV the offer is most likely gonna have to come from Wilder/Showtime which they haven't shown intention of backing up their valuation, yet. Hmm, I'm not sure if the "Wilder just wouldn't entertain ANY offer" is actually true, or just Eddie Hearn's spin on things. It seems like Wilder's side do have their own ideas and they will no longer entertain anything less than what they believe to be the value of the fight.

I'm on boxing's side. Couldn't care less about the back and forth between fanboys. This fight needs to happen

There's a lot of IF's in there. What if Wilder wins a super brawl by late KO, and becomes the Unified champion? Or it goes to the scorecards and has a disputed decision? Then the second fight would be massive, and Wilder would be making $40M whilst AJ would make over 100% increase on what he'd make in the first fight? We're in the business of talking about 'if's' so to speak, you're angle is based on IF the first fight makes 100 mil or more which would appear to be a bigger 'if' as current PPV records do not quite point that direction. That said 40 mil for the second fight may well be underdoing it if they 100% expected to win the first, it would probably be considered the safe option. As I understood it DAZN were open to negotiation, the offers weren't take it or leave it but Wilder & Co simply said they'd think about the offers and later declined. If it's gonna be on PPV the offer is most likely gonna have to come from Wilder/Showtime which they haven't shown intention of backing up their valuation, yet.

A.) Wilder should just take the massive payday and fight AJ. His biggest previous payday is $4M versus Tyson Fury, so $20M, $40M and $40M for three fights is out of this world! or B.) $40M sounds great... until you consider the other guy will be making $100M+ per fight. $80M across two fights could end up being less than an 80/20 split! Wilder's earnings would be capped while AJ is the only one who would profit from any added interest in the rematch. By refusing to negotiate any deal with Hearn and AJ, Wilder ruled out any possibility of getting a "split" of the total income from the fight, which would be coming from multiple sources, not just DAZN. What Hearn said about Wilder's offer made sense to me: There was no "pot" to split. DAZN made an offer to Wilder, and Wilder alone, based on what Skipper thought he was worth to DAZN. AJ's money, which would come partly from DAZN and partly from Matchroom/Sky, should not have been any concern of Wilder's - because he specifically said that he would not be part of any deal involving Eddie Hearn and Matchroom.

I think $20M, $40M for AJ, and a guarenteed rematch. That would have been the offer to do it, and a great offer. I have already said I think those numbers are probably overpaying Wilder. But then, AJ too will be earning much, much more than he ever has before. AJ needs Wilder in order to make the massive numbers, same as Wilder needs AJ. It isn't like AJ can make $75M+ fighting just anybody.

DAZN isn't PPV though, so there's nothing to split per se. They just pay the fighters a purse, regardless of the viewers. But if they want to make the fight, it seems they're going to have to pay Wilder the same as AJ. I think Wilder was right to turn it down because i think DAZN might come back with a better offer to get the fight done, Hearn has already said they will go back after their next fights with another offer, so it isn't going to be the same offer. Obviously the purse has to stop somewhere though before it doesn't make sense anymore, but i think he can definitely get more money.

Depends on if its a good fight (Wilder doesn't get wiped out in first round) and if Wilder wins or loses (majority of American fans will unlikely want to watch him fight if he loses the first unless its in spectacular fashion) plus like I said I think they'd be lucky if the got 100 mil for the first fight if it's on PPV, look at how Wilder v Fury PPV did the second biggest match up in the division. It's clear AJ is bringing most of the extras so Wilder should be grateful that he even got offered over 30%, other more established Champs like Lennox have taken less than the 40% offered in undisputed bouts. There's a lot of IF's in there. What if Wilder wins a super brawl by late KO, and becomes the Unified champion? Or it goes to the scorecards and has a disputed decision? Then the second fight would be massive, and Wilder would be making $40M whilst AJ would make over 100% increase on what he'd make in the first fight?

You accept that offering Wilder $40M is at best a 60/40 split projection for what the first fight is estimated to make, right? And you think the second fight will do exactly the same numbers to the first fight, or better? Wilder would be locking himself out of any profit from the growth of a second fight. That is a dumb move. Depends on if its a good fight (Wilder doesn't get wiped out in first round) and if Wilder wins or loses (majority of American fans will unlikely want to watch him fight if he loses the first unless its in spectacular fashion) plus like I said I think they'd be lucky if the got 100 mil for the first fight if it's on PPV, look at how Wilder v Fury PPV did the second biggest match up in the division. It's clear AJ is bringing most of the extras so Wilder should be grateful that he even got offered over 30%, other more established Champs like Lennox have taken less than the 40% offered in undisputed bouts.

Why don't you just round it up to a billion if you're throwing random numbers out there, all you have to do look at AJ and Wilders last American PPV figures to know it'll be lucky to get 100 mil per fight. You accept that offering Wilder $40M is at best a 60/40 split projection for what the first fight is estimated to make, right? And you think the second fight will do exactly the same numbers to the first fight, or better? Wilder would be locking himself out of any profit from the growth of a second fight. That is a dumb move.

My maths wasn't working this early in the day. $80M over two fights, with the potential total purse being $355M+ would be at most a 78/22 split, not 85/15. But still... from a split point of view I can understand Team Wilder's arguement. Why don't you just round it up to a billion if you're throwing random numbers out there, all you have to do look at AJ and Wilders last American PPV figures to know it'll be lucky to get 100 mil per fight.

Well, only a few months ago the arguement wasn't about the figures, but the split. Parker got 65/35, Fury was offered 60/40 etc. So how can you be in favour of Wilder taking a deal that could equate to less than 85/15 across two fights? Say for example the first fight is a split of $40M Wilder and $75M AJ. That looks and sounds great. But what if the first fight is a thriller and in the rematch the split is $40M Wilder and $200M AJ? My maths wasn't working this early in the day. $80M over two fights, with the potential total purse being $355M+ would be at most a 78/22 split, not 85/15. But still... from a split point of view I can understand Team Wilder's arguement.

Being offered $100m or $120m for 3/4 fights including 1/2 warm up fights is impossible to argue when realistically there is only a couple of other alternatives Wilder can even make much north of $5m on. Even assuming just one fight at $40m this is EIGHT times his biggest payday. And he is guaranteed four fights of these sort of deals even if he loses. Not really sure how this is a debate? Well, only a few months ago the arguement wasn't about the figures, but the split. Parker got 65/35, Fury was offered 60/40 etc. So how can you be in favour of Wilder taking a deal that could equate to less than 85/15 across two fights? Say for example the first fight is a split of $40M Wilder and $75M AJ. That looks and sounds great. But what if the first fight is a thriller and in the rematch the split is $40M Wilder and $200M AJ?