Still disappointed in Spence-Garcia.

From BoxRec 2019-03-16 Errol Spence Jr (24-0-0) @ AT&T Stadium, Arlington for the International Boxing Federation World Welterweight Title and vacant World Boxing Council Diamond Welterweight Title 2018-07-28 Robert Easter Jr* (21-0-0) @ Staples Center, Los Angeles for International Boxing Federation World Lightweight Title and World Boxing Council World Lightweight Title Here's how TheRing defines WW and LW: Welterweight Limit: 147 pounds Junior Welterweight Limit: 140 pounds Lightweight Limit: 135 pounds Notice how that moving to either LW or WW is a TWO (2) T.W.O. weight division move. Are you able to follow that? Mikey Garcia turned pro at 126 and was champion at 126, 130, and 135. He's fought twice at 140 and won belts there before moving back down to 135. Why did he move back down to 135? Because he looked like this at 140: http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/weigh-in-0006.jpg Notice how Mikey is already filled out? Doesn't need to cut weight at all. That's because he's fighting at his walking around weight. So even against Broner he gave up a lot of size, but was able to compensate because his skill set is better than Broners. https://cdn1.thecomeback.com/queensberryrules/wp-content/uploads/sites/93/2019/03/Garcia-Spence.jpg Broner: 5'6" with a 69" reach Mikey: 5'6" with a 68" reach Errald Spencer: 5'9.5" with a 72" reach Against Broner Mikey had to overcome a 1" reach advantage and a little bit of weight. Against Errald Mikey had to overcome 4" reach, 3.5" in height, as well as a massive weight/frame difference. Mikey started at 126, fought twice at 140, and fought at 135 before fighting Spencer. Spencer has only ever fought at 147 and has said he'll finish his career at 160 or 168. Is your simple ass able to understand the difference here? LMFAOOOOO Keep making up excuses for his pathetic effort against Errol. One day you might be able to convince someone. Won't be me though. Lol.

I wasn't expecting Garcia to win. But I expected him to throw some punches and take chances.. He could have made some adjustments and win a round. And if Garcia wasn't going to fight. His corner should have thrown in the towel instead of a bigger beating. Duh...............In defence of Garcia. Ill ask you a question. Have you ever been hit by a man 30 pounds heavier than you who can actually punch? They can land on your arms and take your breath away. And before you say Spence isnt 30 pounds heavier. Ill say Garcia is a natural 126 pounder.

When you're a pro, things tend to be the same. You study your opponent, like he's done plenty of times, and you handle your business. No one asked him to fly a jet plane or perform open heart surgery. I can go on and on about the psychology of this. Some guys realize the only way to win is to go for broke and POSSIBLY land a decent shot. But they don’t want to take that chance for numerous reasons. The guys on this forum would run before they even entered the gym. It’s laughable looking at what these guys say.

I wasn't expecting Garcia to win. But I expected him to throw some punches and take chances.. He could have made some adjustments and win a round. And if Garcia wasn't going to fight. His corner should have thrown in the towel instead of a bigger beating. Kinda tough when the other guy is much faster, sleeker, bigger and hits harder . Mikey could have gone Holyfield-dirty but he didn't.

Garcia is lucky that there is a VADA test if none he would have been knock out by Spence.

I know some people who regret buying it. They felt duped. mikey gave up and spence refused to finish him off. it seems like there was an agreement before hand that fight was staged pretty much.

*slaps you again* Sorry but I cant take your posts seriously when you are 5 classes below me in the social pyramid of BS. Do you even know who you're talking to? I am a celebrity in this forum you bsh, it is a privilege for you that I even talk to you. Get the f out of my face now you peasant *grabs you by collar and shoves face against dirt* *kicks in the face repeatedly*.. Nighty punk Again you uneducated dip shyte, 5 x 16 = 80. You only have 56. Celebrity on this forum? How pathetic is your life when you think that having status on an obscure boxing web page is a lifetime achievement? You're a douche bag and every regular poster on here knows it.

Yall are some clowns *pulls out glock* Garcia tried, I dont get this narrative that he didnt. He adjusted many times but just couldnt find anything that worked. He even stood toe to toe on the inside with him at one point and took his shots like they were pillows. If anything mikey exposed Spence. Garcia is a warrior and a legend, and Spence remains as the fraud coward that he is. Lol sarcasm font

Do you know why Mikey Garcia fought the way he did? It's because he refused to try and didn't want it badly enough. Which is largely why he didn't try hard enough. His balls had shrunken overnight. Where was his machismo? His performance gave Mexican and Chicano fighters a bad name and look.

Once you're in an actual ring.. Things are MUCH different... Yes sir, Loma vs mikey by the end of the year plz.

I get what ur saying as I dont like how people talk down on fighters. The thing is mikey wasted everybody's time. Why go up and fight Spence to lose, cuz the boy didnt try. Mikey says hes sees something and did nothing. I wanted mikey to fight Loma, but it didnt happen. Mikey to me came off as very arrogant, when he signed to fight spence. Once you're in an actual ring.. Things are MUCH different...

Mikey fooled his fans into paying for the PPV because they actually thought it was gonna be competitive. But all they got was Mikey shelling up and pumping his fist after every round. If people who payed for the PPV and felt cheated, they have every right to talk **** to Mikey because he was the biggest snake oil salesman.

I'd love for you to walk into Garcia's gym and tell him that. This is the problem we have with these internet cowards. This forum is garbage. I get what ur saying as I dont like how people talk down on fighters. The thing is mikey wasted everybody's time. Why go up and fight Spence to lose, cuz the boy didnt try. Mikey says hes sees something and did nothing. I wanted mikey to fight Loma, but it didnt happen. Mikey to me came off as very arrogant, when he signed to fight spence.

I felt embarrassed for him the way he kept celebrating each round like he won. It was very cringe worthy. What was he thinking besides dollar signs. "i'm going 12 with this guy." i doubt very much he was thinking about money at that point. you got punches coming at you. all you're thinking about is finishing the fight, maybe hoping by some miracle he tires out or makes a big mistake that allows you to change the tide. i do agree in that by the end of the fight he was there to survive. but that's not what they trained to do. they surely thought they could win. the underestimated spence's ability to control distance and counter. he was clearly a better technical fighter than they expected. no way they would have taken the fight if they had known how well spence would control the ring.

Of course he was hitting air literally every one who fights Floyd hits air he is one of the greatest defensive fighters in the history of the sport. Hitting air and missing don't mean you didn't try against Floyd He tried to get inside Floyd he tried to be aggressive Floyd was just too good to allow it. Everyone tries to get inside Floyd it's just near impossible to do. Like is said the only thing Marquez didn't do was pull a maidana full brawl tactic wrestle and try to rough Floyd up with cheap shots. You changing the argument from he didn't have the best tactic to he didn't even try which is what Mikey did. Huge difference and really disrespectful to Marquez to compare what Mikey did when Marquez was dropped because he was aggressive and tried to win and went for the KO late and almost got himself KO in the process because he was aggressive never quit never stopped trying to win his fight to the end. Mikey isn't clowned because he lost every round which Marquez did too it's because he quit in his fight showed up just for a paycheck was in survival mode trying to get to the end not even trying to win. Nobody has ever accused Marquez of quiting against Floyd you trying to rewrite history to characterize a fight where he was aggressive and threw more punches then any of his fights with Pacquiao as not trying. If yourself agree Garcia quit late then stop comparing his performance to Marquez that's the key he never quit. No, I didn't say Marquez quit against Floyd, show me where I said that. I said show me all these risks he took, because he definitely didn't try to risk it all against Floyd like he did in other fights. It's not just about hitting air, look where he's attempting those punches. Fighting in a distance against Floyd with so many disadvantages is a terrible strategy. So while he may have thrown so many punches, and you can actually see him throwing three or four punch combinations so far out that none of them even come close to landing, I certainly don't see that as taking risks. The flawed argument was look at how many punches Marquez threw!!! That shows how many risks he took!! No, that actually doesn't and that was my point. To risk it all, Mikey had to switch it up and get on the inside of Spence have to risk taking big shots to do so. He didn't do that, but neither did Marquez against Floyd. And Floyd wasn't on top of Marquez all fight like Spence was on top of Mikey. Spence was hitting Mikey at will with the jab but was doing so from a distance where Mikey wasn't able to get any legitimate counter shot off. And clearly he was banking on having plenty of counter opportunities with Spence just coming in like a bull...Which he didn't.

You really need to watch that fight again. Marquez took plenty of risks he just couldn't land on Floyd because Floyd's defense was too good. Marquez is of course a natural counterpuncher and in that fight he was forced to be the leader. He showed much more aggression than Mikey did. Thank you! Somebody who knows what they talking about. Marquez literally went through multiple game plans trying to win all night Floyd defense just too good. Mikey fought a guy not know for defense and literally quit. Marquez was risking going out on his shield hunting for a KO in the 11th. Mikey was gutless stopped throwing. Nobody screamed Marquez didn't try immediately after Mikey fight that's what he was showered with. There is no comparison in these 2 fights except both are Mexican. lol Marquez tried to win his fight till the very end but got dominated. Mikey quit and got dominated.

How exactly is it a lie? He was hitting air all night. That should have been a sign he needs to get on the inside more and take those types of risks. Marquez is one of my all time favorites, as is Mayweather and I was just hoping both would come out looking somewhat decent. Kind of was the case with Marquez at least going the distance and Floyd completely dominating. Just look at Marquez's misses. Exact definition of throwing distance shots against a longer/faster/quicker fighter that have little to no chance of landing. Marquez was missing BADLY damn near the entire fight. And that was always going to be the case if he just stayed on the outside against Floyd. But anyways, we can agree to disagree. All I know is after the fight not many said Marquez risked it all against Floyd. They just said size matters and Marquez got schooled and out classed and people started comparing Pacquiao's performances against Marquez to Floyd's. I already said I agree towards the latter part of the fight Mikey fought to survive. That was evident to everyone. But he didn't just go into the fight for a check and wanting the moral victory of going all 12. He legitimately thought he could win and would be able to our smart Spence, but it was Spence who fought disciplined and managed his distance extremely well. Some of the things Mikey does well, Spence did better and he was simply outgunned. Of course he was hitting air literally every one who fights Floyd hits air he is one of the greatest defensive fighters in the history of the sport. Hitting air and missing don't mean you didn't try against Floyd He tried to get inside Floyd he tried to be aggressive Floyd was just too good to allow it. Everyone tries to get inside Floyd it's just near impossible to do. Like is said the only thing Marquez didn't do was pull a maidana full brawl tactic wrestle and try to rough Floyd up with cheap shots. You changing the argument from he didn't have the best tactic to he didn't even try which is what Mikey did. Huge difference and really disrespectful to Marquez to compare what Mikey did when Marquez was dropped because he was aggressive and tried to win and went for the KO late and almost got himself KO in the process because he was aggressive never quit never stopped trying to win his fight to the end. Mikey isn't clowned because he lost every round which Marquez did too it's because he quit in his fight showed up just for a paycheck was in survival mode trying to get to the end not even trying to win. Nobody has ever accused Marquez of quiting against Floyd you trying to rewrite history to characterize a fight where he was aggressive and threw more punches then any of his fights with Pacquiao as not trying. If yourself agree Garcia quit late then stop comparing his performance to Marquez that's the key he never quit.

You really need to watch that fight again. Marquez took plenty of risks he just couldn't land on Floyd because Floyd's defense was too good. Marquez is of course a natural counterpuncher and in that fight he was forced to be the leader. He showed much more aggression than Mikey did. He showed more aggression, that's not being debated. Marquez also threw a whole a lot of punches that had little to no chance of landing. That shouldn't be debated either. Just watch the video I posted. He fought Mayweather in a distance fight which is a big no no. His only chance of winning would have been to risk it all and try to get on the inside and let punches go. Marquez throwing as many punches as he did has more to do with Mayweather's style and him forcing Marquez to come to him. Spence on the other hand was all over Mikey the entire fight. He didn't let Mikey breath and put mental pressure on him from round 1. Anyways, now we are trying to compare who took more risks and that's not it. The main point was Marquez who has as big of a heart as damn near anyone in history wasn't willing to risk it all like he was in other fights against Mayweather either.

You're just looking at punches thrown, tell me how many risks JMM actually took in the 2nd half of the fight? He was throwing more punches, but wasn't actually risking it all by going after Floyd. Marquez was throwing distance shots that had no shot of landing or would throw some combos when Floyd was on the ropes. He did not take risks against Floyd that he was taking against Pacquiao. Against Pacquiao he legitimately would risk getting dropped or KTFO. And opposed to Floyd, Spence was all over Garcia from round one on. He pretty much didn't give him room or space to throw. Floyd on the other hand would sit back and let Marquez come to him so he threw the amount of shots he did. But make no mistake, no time after the 5th or 6th round did Marquez really go for it. Early in the fight, I think in the 2nd round he landed a nice right hand and got aggressive, but literally 15-20 seconds later he got dropped. After that he did what he instinctively does and fire back but that didn't last long. Marquez allowed the fight to be a distance fight against a longer/faster/quicker fighter and he knew he had ZERO shot at winning a fight like that. His only chance was to get inside and take chances....Which he did not. You really need to watch that fight again. Marquez took plenty of risks he just couldn't land on Floyd because Floyd's defense was too good. Marquez is of course a natural counterpuncher and in that fight he was forced to be the leader. He showed much more aggression than Mikey did.

that's a lie. And I agree with you you need to go rewatch the fight. Saying Marquez was just throwing on the outside at a distance he had no chance of landing or that he was afraid to come in on Floyd is BS. Go watch the fight Marquez took chances fought a totally different style of fight then he normally does because if he didn't him and Floyd would of just stared at each other all night stinking up the joint. Floyd has the discipline and don't give a phuk if fans boo he wasn't going to go first and let Marquez counter him. That forced Marquez to be aggressive and be first all night and he tried to get inside on Floyd and even when he did he wasn't effective and was missing and being countered by Floyd. Marquez went through plan A, B, C, D on Floyd and none of it worked because Floyd is that good. He got more aggressive the second half then he was the first half and the punch stats prove it as does the video because like I said he got lit the phuk up in the 11th trying KO Mayweather and almost got himself KO'd in the process. Mikey never did any of this never took any risks, never switched up his game plan, didn't try to win the fight he went into survival mode. Can't compare this to Marquez when he was risking getting Knocked out in the 11th round still trying to win his fight and threw more punches than any fight with Pacquaio while Mikey was in survival mode. There is a difference in being dominated 12 rounds and not even trying and just trying to survive 12 rounds that gets you in the Chavez/Mikey category. Marquez tried to the very end. I have never heard anyone accuse Marquez of not trying against Floyd. :no: How exactly is it a lie? He was hitting air all night. That should have been a sign he needs to get on the inside more and take those types of risks. Marquez is one of my all time favorites, as is Mayweather and I was just hoping both would come out looking somewhat decent. Kind of was the case with Marquez at least going the distance and Floyd completely dominating. Just look at Marquez's misses. Exact definition of throwing distance shots against a longer/faster/quicker fighter that have little to no chance of landing. Marquez was missing BADLY damn near the entire fight. And that was always going to be the case if he just stayed on the outside against Floyd. But anyways, we can agree to disagree. All I know is after the fight not many said Marquez risked it all against Floyd. They just said size matters and Marquez got schooled and out classed and people started comparing Pacquiao's performances against Marquez to Floyd's. I already said I agree towards the latter part of the fight Mikey fought to survive. That was evident to everyone. But he didn't just go into the fight for a check and wanting the moral victory of going all 12. He legitimately thought he could win and would be able to our smart Spence, but it was Spence who fought disciplined and managed his distance extremely well. Some of the things Mikey does well, Spence did better and he was simply outgunned.