Does Keith Thurman re-estblish himself as #1 if he beats Pacman?

There is a reason Thurman is chasing 40 year old Pac and not Spence.

Anyone watching the Spence/Brook at the time didn't say Brook looked any worse than before. He fought like he always does and that was a very good high skilled fight. He just got broken down like all other Spence opponents. Brook to me beat Porter clearly and better than Thurman. That's nonsense. Brook dropped two weight classes to a division he already struggled with, while coming straight from the back off a beating from GGG and eye surgery. I still give Spence credit. Brook may have beaten any other welterweight apart from Spence that night, but i think it'd have been a different fight if Brook had stayed at WW and fought Spence. Maybe Spence would've won anyway, who knows, but he got Brook at the right time.

I will say he's #1 already, due to the fact that Crawford has fought extremely limited competition due to his promoter while Spence is a beast and no one wants that work. Due to that, neither of their resumes come close to Thurman's, so despite his layoff I'd say he's still without a doubt the guy at 147. If Spence or Crawford want that throne, they either night to fight Thurman or each other.

LIS I would pick Mikey over Danny at WW. To me he is just flat out better. And what is Danny's best win at WW and who has he beaten at WW that you don't think Mikey would have also beat? Thats not my point...We talking about ranking at "147"

I think Crawford needs a win over a viable welterweight. That would go a long way to determining where he stands. Thank you....im baffled how TC gets a pass for fighting nobody but Jeff Horn! We know TC legit but he the most unproven guy at 147 until he fights a credible opponent

U cant ignore the fact that Mikey a 140lb fighter. LIS I would pick Mikey over Danny at WW. To me he is just flat out better. And what is Danny's best win at WW and who has he beaten at WW that you don't think Mikey would have also beat?

Best resume in what regard? You could argue Spence's wins over Brook and Garcia are better than Thurman's wins over Porter and DSG. Would you pick DSG over Mikey? Because I bet Mikey would be the favorite in that fight. U cant ignore the fact that Mikey a 140lb fighter.

lol, no. Someone is going to have to beat Spence or Crawford to be established as #1. If one of those two beats Thurman it would probably give them claim over the other as being the best in the division. I think Crawford needs a win over a viable welterweight. That would go a long way to determining where he stands.

Context matters bruh. Look at who Danny has fought at 147, Thurman and Porter, two champions and elite fighters, never been stopped, Guerrero, never been stopped at the time, very durable fighter, with the other guys he's fought getting stopped (Pauli, Vargas, Rios). Danny has shown throughout his career he is heavy-handed and if he lands correctly he can hurt anyone at 147, his KO ratio and what we've seen in the ring shows that. Danny landing more shots and more powerful shots obviously would have an impact on how Spence fights. Also you keep overlooking the fact that styles make fights. I already explained that Mikey would do better against Danny cos Danny isn't as big nor does he fight at a high pace like Spence. This is all theoretical anyway, we'll have to see how Mikey does if he sticks around at 147, right now he is unranked and his only fight is a one-sided loss, Danny is a proven top 5 welter and never been dominated like that, at welter or any other weight class. Edit: to answer your question, I think Spence would outpoint Danny in an 8-4/9-3 typa fight, competitive but clear. The point was he didn't make a dent against the top WWs and he wouldn't against Spence either. That's not a knock on him, just the truth. Good puncher for sure, but nothing special. And against Spence who is bigger than most WWs? His power likely does nothing to him. Okay, so 9-3 or 8-4 type of decision? I could respect that but I don't think after the first four or so rounds it will be that competitive. Think Spence just picks him apart and starts beating him up late in the fight. You say Danny has never been dominated like that, and while that is true, let's not act like he's faced Spence either. Fighting Porter and Thurman is one thing, but Spence and Crawford seem a level or two above the rest. The good thing is we will at least get to find out if this holds true when Spence gets Porter next, or even possibly Danny. Then at that point no need for any of these types of debates as we will get the answer directly from the actual fight.

There's no clear #1 until Pac/Spence/Thurman/Crawford fight each other. By the time they do, I assume Pac will be retired, but he can still put a loss on any of the other 3's records before then.

Which top or legit WW has Danny hurt? He's a physically strong guy, and has respectable pop at WW, but he's hardly going to put a dent on the top WWs with his power. Spence may respect his pop, but it sure won't make him overly cautious. He's still going to do what he does. Danny landing more isn't the debate because he very well may land more than 75 shots against Spence, but he's going to take a lot more flush shots and get beaten up badly on the inside. You keep saying the fight is better than the Mikey one, but are you saying it will be competitive or still basically another one sided win for Spence? If you think Danny and Mikey are THAT close, then Spence's win over Mikey in the fashion he did it is better than Thurman's win over Danny, no? You basically have those two on similar levels at WW and one guy white washed his opponent while the other won clean, but had some issues in the 2nd half of the fight. I think that is a clear win for Mikey btw. Mikey is more defensively responsible and he won't respect Danny's pop like he did Errol's and Danny's jab isn't close to being on Errol's level. Context matters bruh. Look at who Danny has fought at 147, Thurman and Porter, two champions and elite fighters, never been stopped, Guerrero, never been stopped at the time, very durable fighter, with the other guys he's fought getting stopped (Pauli, Vargas, Rios). Danny has shown throughout his career he is heavy-handed and if he lands correctly he can hurt anyone at 147, his KO ratio and what we've seen in the ring shows that. Danny landing more shots and more powerful shots obviously would have an impact on how Spence fights. Also you keep overlooking the fact that styles make fights. I already explained that Mikey would do better against Danny cos Danny isn't as big nor does he fight at a high pace like Spence. This is all theoretical anyway, we'll have to see how Mikey does if he sticks around at 147, right now he is unranked and his only fight is a one-sided loss, Danny is a proven top 5 welter and never been dominated like that, at welter or any other weight class. Edit: to answer your question, I think Spence would outpoint Danny in an 8-4/9-3 typa fight, competitive but clear.

If he already isn't? He already has the best resume at #147, would adding another signature win, against a past prime but still sharp and dangerous ATG like Pacquaio, further separate himself from his competition? He is STILL the #1 WW at this point. Spence beating Mikey was a sideshow. Porter's "draw" vs Ugas was horrendous and Crawfords circus vs Khan is garbage. Which puts them at (Porter #5 and Spence/Crawford tied at #3) with Pac being #2. If Thurman beats Pac, and thats a big "if", then Thurman blows up on everyones radar and damn near becomes a household name!

It’s just time, that’s all Keef needs to get that title back. He’s been dormant, then Josesito didn’t help by having a stellar round either. He’ll come back, Pac or not

Yes, I think Danny would just engage more and ultimately make it a better fight. I just think his punches would have more impact on Spence, we know Danny can hurt people if one sticks, he's not afraid to hold his ground and trade, like I keep mentioning he's a difficult fighter to discourage. Mikey has a decent chance against Danny because Danny doesn't fight at a high pace like Spence and will give Mikey more opportunities to display his offense. It depends on how much Mikey respects Danny's power, if he respects it as much as he does Spence, I would take Danny by close decision, if Mikey decides to engage and trade, Danny Garcia is a dangerous man and clearly the bigger guy. He could hurt Mikey. Which top or legit WW has Danny hurt? He's a physically strong guy, and has respectable pop at WW, but he's hardly going to put a dent on the top WWs with his power. Spence may respect his pop, but it sure won't make him overly cautious. He's still going to do what he does. Danny landing more isn't the debate because he very well may land more than 75 shots against Spence, but he's going to take a lot more flush shots and get beaten up badly on the inside. You keep saying the fight is better than the Mikey one, but are you saying it will be competitive or still basically another one sided win for Spence? If you think Danny and Mikey are THAT close, then Spence's win over Mikey in the fashion he did it is better than Thurman's win over Danny, no? You basically have those two on similar levels at WW and one guy white washed his opponent while the other won clean, but had some issues in the 2nd half of the fight. I think that is a clear win for Mikey btw. Mikey is more defensively responsible and he won't respect Danny's pop like he did Errol's and Danny's jab isn't close to being on Errol's level.

You said Danny would do more damage? Okay cool, he may do more damage, but you obviously agree he won't be nearly as defensively oriented as Mikey and won't be able to block as many shots, right? There's just levels to this. Danny is a very good fighter and deserves his credit, but he gets dominated by Spence. Peterson KILLED Danny on the inside and Spence would jab his way to the inside and just take him to school from there. And even in a distance fight, Spence will be able to keep his distance and would be able to make Danny miss the same way he made Mikey miss if he chooses to fight that way. To me, to beat Spence you have to be able to hold your ground and push him back in spots. Brook was able to do some of this in the first half of the fight. But obviously it is a HUGE challenge to do it for the entire 12 rounds. Porter theoretically could push him back and by physical with him, but let's be real, majority of the clean work would be done by one guy in that fight. But back to the topic, you would pick Danny over Mikey? Because I think there is a good chance we see that fight soon. I think Mikey in all likelihood may want to stay at WW for another fight or two to see if he can hang with the rest of the top PBC WWs. Yes, I think Danny would just engage more and ultimately make it a better fight. I just think his punches would have more impact on Spence, we know Danny can hurt people if one sticks, he's not afraid to hold his ground and trade, like I keep mentioning he's a difficult fighter to discourage. Mikey has a decent chance against Danny because Danny doesn't fight at a high pace like Spence and will give Mikey more opportunities to display his offense. It depends on how much Mikey respects Danny's power, if he respects it as much as he does Spence, I would take Danny by close decision, if Mikey decides to engage and trade, Danny Garcia is a dangerous man and clearly the bigger guy. He could hurt Mikey.

Thurman, Spence and Crawford have to chop it up to see who's number 1. Pacquaio's too old man, he's waiting to see if Floyd comes out of retirement to have a rematch. If that doesn't pan out, he'll probably fight D.Garcia or M.Garcia.

I’m not sure if beating PAC elevates any of the 147 champs to the top of the heap. It would be a good win, but one that was expected. I still think Thurman edges out the rest by holding wins o Er Danny and Porter. But it is turning into “what have you done for me lately” and he needs a signature win before the year is up.

Obviously. It shows that he's back, but also means now he has to address the hungry animals around him, and who beats him from there will take the throne until they lose.

No and in his last outing he looked so detached from where he left off in terms of his boxing ability that it's gonna take more than beating an old Pacquiao.

I would say mentally rather than physically Brook wouldn't have been the same as when he was undefeated, had momentum and was on a winning streak. Maybe he would have dug that little deeper to hang in for 12 rounds if his 0 and not knowing the feeling of losing was still on his conscious. Like I said I would favour any version of Spence over Brook regardless. As for Brook beating Porter more clearly, I think Brook fought a more tactical fight than Thurman and won by a slightly better margin, Thurman fought Porter's fight in a more-action packed fight and done more damage, landed bigger punches, but also took more damage than Brook. Either way, the Brook that fought Porter was undefeated and styles make fights anyway, Thurman's style of defense and offense is different to Brook, he's a lot more mobile and explosive. Spence was more dominant over Mikey than Thurman was over Danny, for sure, but he would not be that dominant over Danny. I'm a believer in skills pay the bills but weight classes also matter, Danny Garcia is a lot bigger than Mikey...frame, height and weight wise. I would pick Spence to beat Danny in a good fight that goes the distance, I think Danny would both do and take more damage than Mikey did though. You said Danny would do more damage? Okay cool, he may do more damage, but you obviously agree he won't be nearly as defensively oriented as Mikey and won't be able to block as many shots, right? There's just levels to this. Danny is a very good fighter and deserves his credit, but he gets dominated by Spence. Peterson KILLED Danny on the inside and Spence would jab his way to the inside and just take him to school from there. And even in a distance fight, Spence will be able to keep his distance and would be able to make Danny miss the same way he made Mikey miss if he chooses to fight that way. To me, to beat Spence you have to be able to hold your ground and push him back in spots. Brook was able to do some of this in the first half of the fight. But obviously it is a HUGE challenge to do it for the entire 12 rounds. Porter theoretically could push him back and by physical with him, but let's be real, majority of the clean work would be done by one guy in that fight. But back to the topic, you would pick Danny over Mikey? Because I think there is a good chance we see that fight soon. I think Mikey in all likelihood may want to stay at WW for another fight or two to see if he can hang with the rest of the top PBC WWs.