Should Dillian Whyte be installed as the WBC Mandatory?

I don't give two shit about the Ortiz fight not happening. They ordered a secondary mandatory, so i understand why he fought another high ranked opponent (Parker) instead of Ortiz... Why do you understand it? I mean, I understand it. Hearn thought Parker was a way safer fight than Ortiz. But why fight a guy that brings you no closer to a title shot instead of fighting a guy that guarantees you a title shot? Even if the title shot is a year or two away, it's still better to have that in your back pocket than no title shot at all. Pick your way through a title? What did the current beltholder do before they got their chances? Who did Joshua fought that was ranked high when he beat Martin, Who did Wilder beat before he got his WBC belt? Joshua wasn't a mandatory. He was a big star and offered a ton of money to one of the champions. If Whyte was a big star, he could have done the same thing. As for Wilder, he was a mandatory. He fought who he needed to fight. It's not always about beating the best, it's about strategizing, looking at the ratings of the four orgs, and figuring out a logical path to a title shot.

it's not impossible to speculate what the scorecards would have been had the correct call been made though. I do see people on here saying "if the butt never happened..." and that **** is impossible, but with the cards it's just math. And I wouldn't call him a particularly clean fighter either. After all, AJ is right to hate the guy. He didn't disclose his kickboxing experience and was beating the **** out of inexperienced young men. AJ getting his revenge was very sweet IMO. A bit of an exaggeration i'd say. He's not really a dirty fighter, AJ is more dirty than Whyte is for example.

It’s impossible to speculate how things would have panned out if one thing didn’t happen. Whyte isn’t really known to be a dirty fighter, so I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s why it’s important to fight in the UK. However, it was a PPV event in the O2 that paid him millions, whereas the Pulev fight was in a shopping mall for 200k. Easy choice. it's not impossible to speculate what the scorecards would have been had the correct call been made though. I do see people on here saying "if the butt never happened..." and that **** is impossible, but with the cards it's just math. And I wouldn't call him a particularly clean fighter either. After all, AJ is right to hate the guy. He didn't disclose his kickboxing experience and was beating the **** out of inexperienced young men. AJ getting his revenge was very sweet IMO.

And it shows why fighting in the UK is so important to him. With that headbutt not ruled a KD the scorecards then become 114-112 Parker, 114-112 Whyte and 113-113 Isn't that the biggest win to ever happen in boxing? The ending with Whyte holding onto Parker for dear life in those last 20 seconds just looks pathetic ending in a draw. It’s impossible to speculate how things would have panned out if one thing didn’t happen. Whyte isn’t really known to be a dirty fighter, so I don’t think it’s fair to say that’s why it’s important to fight in the UK. However, it was a PPV event in the O2 that paid him millions, whereas the Pulev fight was in a shopping mall for 200k. Easy choice.

You don’t need to explain anything to me, am questioning your knowledge and you as a fight fan. Any fight fan that sits there and questions Whyte right to fight for a title must be delusional. He has done more than everyone. More than the guys getting a chance at the WBC belt (Specifically), we know it’s boxing politics that’s keeping him from fighting Wilder and people like yourself are fine with it. Whyte doesn't need a 'right to fight for the title' he could have fought for 3 titles in his last fight ffs...that's the only delusional thing here. If he wants the wbc route he has to play by the rules, which get made up on the fly. I really don't give a flying f#ck who has the wbc trinket - Wilder, Pulev, Breezeale, Fury. Whoever has it or wants it must fight a final eliminator chosen/approved by the abc org. Neither you, I or Whyte make the rules up, but we have to play by them. Btw, my knowledge on definitions ain't too bad... Stubborn: Having or showing a dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good arguments or reasons to do so.

You don’t need to explain anything to me, am questioning your knowledge and you as a fight fan. Any fight fan that sits there and questions Whyte right to fight for a title must be delusional. He has done more than everyone. More than the guys getting a chance at the WBC belt (Specifically), we know it’s boxing politics that’s keeping him from fighting Wilder and people like yourself are fine with it. It's not just Wilder. The Final Eliminator for the WBA Super Championship was Povetkin vs Price but nobody thought that was a mismatch like Breazele vs Molina? Whyte could have fought Ortiz. Whyte could have fought Pulev. Even after turning down two final eliminators, he still got a contract sent to him to fight AJ and turned it down. That's three strikes.

Jesus Ray, is it my job to explain everything to you? We are not talking about AJ or Wilders path to a title, we are talking about the man who has avoided TWO final elimators - fact! Breazeale was fighting Stiverne for the final eliminatior (Stiverne was mandatory at the time). Ortiz pissed dirty with 'blood pressure' meds for Wilder fight, so the mando Stiverne fought Wilder instead. Molina was then to fight Breazeale for final eliminator. Breezeale stopped him. Ortiz was beating Wilder and had him out on his feet. The corrupt wbc ref even gave Wilder some more time at start of next round, so it's fair to say Ortiz is on the same level as Wilder and should be high up on the rankings, or given a rematch. Isn't it logical then that Ortiz AND Whyte fight an eliminator for the title hence: https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-vs-dillian-whyte-wbc-final-eliminator-ordered--127502 Whyte chose to fight Chisora instead. Also, Pulev wants his chance, hence: https://www.boxingscene.com/dillian-whyte-vs-kubrat-pulev-ibf-eliminator-ordered--126807 Whyte chose to fight Parker instead. Whyte could have fought AJ in his last fight for THREE trinkets but choose not to, now he is trying to jump the que. Breezeale had to wait for Wilder vs Stiverne and fought the final elimintor as mentioned above. Whyte is a fu#king que jumper!!! If you as a boxing fan can sit there and say "he wanted to fight an elimintor" in order to secure a title shot then you are a disgrace as a fight fan. You don’t need to explain anything to me, am questioning your knowledge and you as a fight fan. Any fight fan that sits there and questions Whyte right to fight for a title must be delusional. He has done more than everyone. More than the guys getting a chance at the WBC belt (Specifically), we know it’s boxing politics that’s keeping him from fighting Wilder and people like yourself are fine with it.

Whyte ducked Pulev to fight Parker :lol1: Shows how little you know. And it shows why fighting in the UK is so important to him. With that headbutt not ruled a KD the scorecards then become 114-112 Parker, 114-112 Whyte and 113-113 Isn't that the biggest win to ever happen in boxing? The ending with Whyte holding onto Parker for dear life in those last 20 seconds just looks pathetic ending in a draw.

He already had a title shot against Joshua and was KTFO. His next best win is a somewhat controversial win over Parker. Ortiz also hasn't lost since his KO against Wilder. So let those two fight it out in the losers' bracket. Winner gets another title shot. agreed winner fights fury

I don't give two shit about the Ortiz fight not happening. They ordered a secondary mandatory, so i understand why he fought another high ranked opponent (Parker) instead of Ortiz... Pick your way through a title? What did the current beltholder do before they got their chances? Who did Joshua fought that was ranked high when he beat Martin, Who did Wilder beat before he got his WBC belt? Who did Breazeale beat? Who did Ortiz beat? Molina? If you as a boxing fan can sit there and say "He wanted to cherry pick" his way to a title shot then you are a disgrace as a fight fan. Jesus Ray, is it my job to explain everything to you? We are not talking about AJ or Wilders path to a title, we are talking about the man who has avoided TWO final elimators - fact! Breazeale was fighting Stiverne for the final eliminatior (Stiverne was mandatory at the time). Ortiz pissed dirty with 'blood pressure' meds for Wilder fight, so the mando Stiverne fought Wilder instead. Molina was then to fight Breazeale for final eliminator. Breezeale stopped him. Ortiz was beating Wilder and had him out on his feet. The corrupt wbc ref even gave Wilder some more time at start of next round, so it's fair to say Ortiz is on the same level as Wilder and should be high up on the rankings, or given a rematch. Isn't it logical then that Ortiz AND Whyte fight an eliminator for the title hence: https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-vs-dillian-whyte-wbc-final-eliminator-ordered--127502 Whyte chose to fight Chisora instead. Also, Pulev wants his chance, hence: https://www.boxingscene.com/dillian-whyte-vs-kubrat-pulev-ibf-eliminator-ordered--126807 Whyte chose to fight Parker instead. Whyte could have fought AJ in his last fight for THREE trinkets but choose not to, now he is trying to jump the que. Breezeale had to wait for Wilder vs Stiverne and fought the final elimintor as mentioned above. Whyte is a fu#king que jumper!!! If you as a boxing fan can sit there and say "he wanted to fight an elimintor" in order to secure a title shot then you are a disgrace as a fight fan.

Stop lying kid, you are pathetic, WBC never ordered a final eliminator vs Ortiz https://www.boxingscene.com/wbc-prez-embraces-luis-ortiz-vs-dillian-whyte-final-eliminator--132606

Yeah, but you shouldn’t be able to cherry pick your way to the title by getting matched with certain type of opponents and avoiding others. I mean, you can do that anyway with 27 world titles floating around, but you shouldn’t be able to do it within a single abc org. He had a final eliminator ordered but like most other HW’s, avoided Ortiz like the plague. https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-vs-dillian-whyte-wbc-final-eliminator-ordered--127502 Stop lying kid, you are pathetic, WBC never ordered a final eliminator vs Ortiz, Beyonce Wildher is ducking Whyte TILL THIS DAY https://i.postimg.cc/Y9sjZWrW/Beyonce-Duck-Face.jpg

Do you want me to talk about Don King and We Be Crooks? Let’s talk about mandatory challengers ONLY, since we’re on the topic. In every instance you listed, a big star was installed as mandatory challenger. The WBC has always catered to the big stars as the WBC's explicit purpose in boxing is to help facilitate big fights. That is the WBC's main goal. To mediate between promoters and try to encourage that the big fights happen.

Yeah, but you shouldn’t be able to cherry pick your way to the title by getting matched with certain type of opponents and avoiding others. I mean, you can do that anyway with 27 world titles floating around, but you shouldn’t be able to do it within a single abc org. He had a final eliminator ordered but like most other HW’s, avoided Ortiz like the plague. https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-vs-dillian-whyte-wbc-final-eliminator-ordered--127502 I don't give two shit about the Ortiz fight not happening. They ordered a secondary mandatory, so i understand why he fought another high ranked opponent (Parker) instead of Ortiz... Pick your way through a title? What did the current beltholder do before they got their chances? Who did Joshua fought that was ranked high when he beat Martin, Who did Wilder beat before he got his WBC belt? Who did Breazeale beat? Who did Ortiz beat? Molina? If you as a boxing fan can sit there and say "He wanted to cherry pick" his way to a title shot then you are a disgrace as a fight fan.

Look at this clown trying to change the subject. I don’t care who is better. Dillian Whyte ran from two eliminators so he has to get in the back of the line. Point blank period. No matter how good YOU think Parker is the point is Whyte ducked the Pulev eliminator to fight Joseph Parker. And he ducked the Ortiz eliminator to fight Chisora. This not a discussion about Parker skills we’re talking about why Whyte doesn’t deserve a title shot until he fights in a final eliminator Amen to that!

Definitely, i don't think he needs to fight anyone to solidify that too. His resume is better than most of HW, to have the resume he has now and never to have fought for a title, shows you how bad the sport is. All these guys (Joshua, Fury, Ortiz, Wilder, Breazeale, Miller etc) didn't do enough to get their shot. Yeah, but you shouldn’t be able to cherry pick your way to the title by getting matched with certain type of opponents and avoiding others. I mean, you can do that anyway with 27 world titles floating around, but you shouldn’t be able to do it within a single abc org. He had a final eliminator ordered but like most other HW’s, avoided Ortiz like the plague. https://www.boxingscene.com/luis-ortiz-vs-dillian-whyte-wbc-final-eliminator-ordered--127502

Definitely, i don't think he needs to fight anyone to solidify that too. His resume is better than most of HW, to have the resume he has now and never to have fought for a title, shows you how bad the sport is. All these guys (Joshua, Fury, Ortiz, Wilder, Breazeale, Miller etc) didn't do enough to get their shot.

I'm not just speaking about the WBC, I'm speaking about all of the organizations. Some are stricter than others about final eliminators, but generally speaking, reaching the #1 rating isn't what makes you mandatory. Winning a final eliminator is what makes you mandatory. Yes there are exceptions like the WBO's super champion rule, but as far as Whyte is concerned, any of the four orgs will likely require him to win a final eliminator to become mandatory. As for your "We Be Crooks" nick name, it's interesting you label the WBC as crooks when they're the only org that hasn't been rocked with a huge bribery scandal. Bribery is only one form of corruption. Why use such a specific word? Do you want me to talk about Don King and We Be Crooks? Let’s talk about mandatory challengers ONLY, since we’re on the topic. Why was Chavez Sr - promoted by King - the mandatory challenger for Kostya Tszyu's WBC super lightweight title? Chavez had not fought at super lightweight for two years, had recently lost to journeyman Willie Wise, and had not beaten a top contender since losing his first fight to ODLH four years earlier. Why was Mike Tyson - promoted by King - the #1 contender for WBC heavyweight title when he was released from prison? Tyson hadn’t fought in four years. The WBC stripped Javier Castillejo of his super welterweight title for fighting Fernando Vargas instead of Ricardo Mayorga - promoted by Don King. The WBC qualified Mayorga for a shot even though he had never fought at that weight limit and had lost two of his last three fights. When will wbc make Cinnamon fight Charlo, so everyone else in line can have their crack at the title. It’s supposed to be 1 mandatory a year. Time is ticking... Honarable mention: Chavez - promoted by King - draw against Pernell Whitaker. Two of the judges were not appointed by the state's boxing commission, instead they were appointed by the WBC. Don King had a hand in choosing the WBC judges for the fight. Whitaker won 8-9 rounds in that fight.

I thought for a second you were finally speaking our language... But in your last sentence you said 'unlikely'. Unlikely means possible, giving the appearance of solidity in pure wind - just in case 'we be crooks' decide to change rules on the fly, as illigitimate organizations do. I'm not just speaking about the WBC, I'm speaking about all of the organizations. Some are stricter than others about final eliminators, but generally speaking, reaching the #1 rating isn't what makes you mandatory. Winning a final eliminator is what makes you mandatory. Yes there are exceptions like the WBO's super champion rule, but as far as Whyte is concerned, any of the four orgs will likely require him to win a final eliminator to become mandatory. As for your "We Be Crooks" nick name, it's interesting you label the WBC as crooks when they're the only org that hasn't been rocked with a huge bribery scandal.

whyte, thus far, has refused to fight a final eliminator. if he wants to become someone's mandatory, he'll likely have to win a final eliminator. doesn't matter if you're rated #1. doesn't matter if you're silver champion of copper champion. doesn't matter if you're international champion or southern area champion. all that stuff just gets you in position for a final eliminator. if you don't fight a final eliminator, you're unlikely to be named mandatory. I thought for a second you were finally speaking our language... But in your last sentence you said 'unlikely'. Unlikely means possible, giving the appearance of solidity in pure wind - just in case 'we be crooks' decide to change rules on the fly, as illigitimate organizations do.