Do you guys really think DAZN and ESPN are going to stop making Deontay offers?

Wilders old enough to be stalled out, almost lost his last two fights and can't make anywhere near the money Joshua can fighting second rate opponents. Its not a great position at all. Wilder fans think Wilder can use Joshua desire for legacy against himself, if Joshua gets on some Wilder **** himself, Wilder is ****ed. Joshua will probably make $60m this year without fighting either Wilder or Fury, that's a great position. he could easily just make more money than anyone else while waiting for someone else to take the belt off Wilder or for Wilder to decline. Wilders betting on himself yes, but he's also betting on Joshua taking the fight when Wilder wants it. Joshua could easily do to Wilder what Wilder has done thus far. That's a weak position to be in. Which is why they already offered him 100m for 3 fights, right? :lol1: You're a fanboy in denial. There's a plethora of evidence that he's wanted by these promotions. He's in a great spot.

Of course not The Fight (AJ vs Wilder ) will happen 2020...ON PPV!

the only reason I can ride with him turning it down is if he has something bigger in the works, we will see.

Wilders old enough to be stalled out, almost lost his last two fights and can't make anywhere near the money Joshua can fighting second rate opponents. Its not a great position at all. Wilder fans think Wilder can use Joshua desire for legacy against himself, if Joshua gets on some Wilder **** himself, Wilder is ****ed. Joshua will probably make $60m this year without fighting either Wilder or Fury, that's a great position. he could easily just make more money than anyone else while waiting for someone else to take the belt off Wilder or for Wilder to decline. Wilders betting on himself yes, but he's also betting on Joshua taking the fight when Wilder wants it. Joshua could easily do to Wilder what Wilder has done thus far. That's a weak position to be in. Yep, and he's just gone from PPV to regular Showtime. The dumbass just weakened his own hand. No way AJ should give him 40% now.

Look, I like Wilder, and I admit I don't know all the details that might be pushing him a different direction than DAZN, but from the outside looking in, it seems Wilder is being used as a pawn to protect the economic benefits of the PBC brand and Showtime. This is exactly what is going on here.

Wilder is in such a great position right now. People can't admit it to themselves because they dislike him so much and they're not mature enough to look at the facts. There's two big money HW fights with his name on them. He might not be worth **** after the first one, depending how it goes, but the guys putting together Fury and Joshua fights desperately want Wilder so they can make money off these fights. They're not stupid enough to let that opportunity go by. They're going to spend money to make money. Wilders old enough to be stalled out, almost lost his last two fights and can't make anywhere near the money Joshua can fighting second rate opponents. Its not a great position at all. Wilder fans think Wilder can use Joshua desire for legacy against himself, if Joshua gets on some Wilder **** himself, Wilder is ****ed. Joshua will probably make $60m this year without fighting either Wilder or Fury, that's a great position. he could easily just make more money than anyone else while waiting for someone else to take the belt off Wilder or for Wilder to decline. Wilders betting on himself yes, but he's also betting on Joshua taking the fight when Wilder wants it. Joshua could easily do to Wilder what Wilder has done thus far. That's a weak position to be in.

Its just hilarious seeing all these critical thinkers breaking down why Deontay rejected the offer. The same people who will swear blind aj ducked the fight for rejecting an offer of 50 mil. Even though he’s pretty much made that from the povetkin and miller fights. Based on wilders current purses how long will it take him to make 100 mil?

Look, I like Wilder, and I admit I don't know all the details that might be pushing him a different direction than DAZN, but from the outside looking in, it seems Wilder is being used as a pawn to protect the economic benefits of the PBC brand and Showtime. Yep. This is it.

Call it what you want, just acknowledge that it is Wilder who is holding up the fight. As i've said before, you guys want to laud team Wilders business plan of rejecting offers and getting more money down the line, but then take issue with it being called a duck and pretend AJ's side aren't going out of their way to make this fight. It's a calculated one, but a Duck none the less.

So Wilder is ducking because he won't sign an exclusive deal with DAZN or ESPN just to fight Fury or AJ? Wilder has his reasons as to not wanting to be tied down and owe ESPN and DAZN fights just to fight one of their guys. Wilder/AJ can be made on Showtime PPV as well. If these networks really want to make the fights, then their is no reason why they just can't make a one fight deal similar to how Showtime did with Wilder/Fury.

Im a hardcore boxing fan and I just want to watch good fights. I dont give a flying fuk about deals that dont involve me. I couldnt give a rat’s ass about what Willder is receiving.

Look, I like Wilder, and I admit I don't know all the details that might be pushing him a different direction than DAZN, but from the outside looking in, it seems Wilder is being used as a pawn to protect the economic benefits of the PBC brand and Showtime.

Wilder is in such a great position right now. People can't admit it to themselves because they dislike him so much and they're not mature enough to look at the facts. There's two big money HW fights with his name on them. He might not be worth **** after the first one, depending how it goes, but the guys putting together Fury and Joshua fights desperately want Wilder so they can make money off these fights. They're not stupid enough to let that opportunity go by. They're going to spend money to make money. what if bumtay loses before that also wilder isn't getting any younger

Wilder is in such a great position right now. People can't admit it to themselves because they dislike him so much and they're not mature enough to look at the facts. There's two big money HW fights with his name on them. He might not be with **** after the first one, depending how it goes, but the guys putting together Fury and Joshua fights desperately want Wilder so they can make money off these fights. They're not stupid enough to that that opportunity go by. They're going to spend money to make money. My thoughts exactly

So I guess where I'm going with this thread is trying to call attention to the fact that these streaming platforms are not going to stop bargaining to host a Deontay Wilder fight. The spike in subscriptions and the network effects therein could take both of them to new levels. This is the reason the investment has been so high initially in these fighters. And the investment is absolutely worth it. I believe he'll be back to the table with these streaming platforms after the Breazeale fight (if he gets his way this will be on FOX broadcast TV) bargaining for the best contract he can get, but this time with more leverage

I think DAZN and ESPN will make offers after Wilder - Breazeale for sure. If those are rejected, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they make offers again before the end of year, after Wilder fights Kownacki or whoever else Haymon lines up for him. After that, then I think they will finally come to the realization that they can't prize him away from Showtime, and they will give up.

Wilder is in such a great position right now. People can't admit it to themselves because they dislike him so much and they're not mature enough to look at the facts. There's two big money HW fights with his name on them. He might not be worth **** after the first one, depending how it goes, but the guys putting together Fury and Joshua fights desperately want Wilder so they can make money off these fights. They're not stupid enough to let that opportunity go by. They're going to spend money to make money.

Dazn are splurging money at the moment to build up their service. It may last, it may not.

I am expecting Wilder to sign a multi fight Showtime PPV deal today. I hope not. This just wouldn't make business sense

Fox will offer Wilder 2 bags of chips, a 2 liter coke, and a million coupons for his fans, 10% off on all items from Burger King when you spend more than 50 dollars a month. We won't argue that. In the words of Andre Ward, he definitely is stepping over a $100 to pick up a $1 for this particular matchup. But are we assuming that bigger offers with greater leverage will not be coming his way?