Stephen Espinoza vs Eddie Hearn

Espinoza trolling then claiming Joshua was sent a contract for Wilder fight then backing down when he himself admits it wasn't a contract but a email.

Stone cold lies.
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

Lies? You mean like when you told Klitschko & HBO that AJ didn't have a multi-fight agreement with Showtime, even though there were still 3 fights left on the deal?

Experiences like that are why we keep all the receipts. I'm sure this excerpt will look familiar to you. pic.twitter.com/fNWK22YqNW
— Stephen Espinoza (@StephenEspinoza) February 25, 2019

Never said I sent it. Wilder sent it and you confirmed receipt.

"Hearn told ESPN that he had indeed received the offer by email from Wilder's personal account..." https://t.co/VNxG5Bms2S
— Stephen Espinoza (@StephenEspinoza) February 25, 2019

�� so now you are saying the personal email from Wilder (that was one paragraph) offering $50m was a contract!!!! Hahaha - CONTRACT WAS REQUESTED AND NEVER SENT
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

?!!! I repeat, despite requests we NEVER received a 1 page, 3 page or 50 page contract. If I’m lying then show the contract you sent
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

:popcorn: EDIT: continuing

You aren’t going to expose private business arrangements on Twitter but you dont mind discussing AJ’s previous Confidential contract. You are a beauty. Anyway I’m glad we cleared up that a contract was never sent.
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

No - a 3 page contract was never sent. Read my tweets not 1 page, 3 pages or 50 pages. You lost AJ because you ran out of money you know that. You also don’t have one of the top 3 heavyweights under contract. I get you are under pressure but don’t tell porky pies. Have a nice day
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

I guess you aren’t going to show this contract - the one that doesn’t exist. Re your AJ issue he’s gone mate - as Elsa said - Let it go! pic.twitter.com/pj5cQwxEWl
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

EDIT: Continuing 2

No issue with AJ.

Just reminding you of your consistent attempts to misrepresent facts and your apparent inability (or refusal) to recognize contractual obligations. https://t.co/CoJHjnZNP9
— Stephen Espinoza (@StephenEspinoza) February 25, 2019

Our contract was honoured and then you ran out of money. However when you tried to approach AJ’s trainer on the sly about an extension it was game over baby. Conor was right ��
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

Cheerio
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

Comments (20)

R_Walken

BECAUSE THE DATE CHANGED! After all the back and forth, Joshua wanting $50m to fight, getting the $50m but no longer wanting it, the ping pong on the Wembley offer, etc, an agreement was made; Fall 2018, Joshua-Wilder from Wembley, with Wilder fighting for $15m. Where in any of that did anyone agree to fight April 2019, after Povetkin got the fight first? You can't be this stupid. You haven’t realized yet Redeemer is legit that stupid, He’ll write a paragraph of lies and not even care if hes proven wrong he’ll just stick to his guns It’s really f.ucking sad when you think about what a tool he is

7y ago

Scipio2009

Indeed it is ,we now know Finkel backed out of his own agreement as the post proved of Hearns contract he declined to sign with Wilder losing a pen. Glad you understand now. BECAUSE THE DATE CHANGED! After all the back and forth, Joshua wanting $50m to fight, getting the $50m but no longer wanting it, the ping pong on the Wembley offer, etc, an agreement was made; Fall 2018, Joshua-Wilder from Wembley, with Wilder fighting for $15m. Where in any of that did anyone agree to fight April 2019, after Povetkin got the fight first? You can't be this stupid.

7y ago

LacedUp

50m with no terms and you have 24 hours and no discussion. You don't do business like that. :lol1: Only Wilder fans in their deluded minds think that's an appropriate way to make the biggest fight in boxing.

7y ago

Kezzer

Now this is for sure but it's hilarious to watch. Also key to remember it was Espinoza who started all this by trolling. Whoever's side you are on in the negotiations breakdown between Joshua and Wilder put that aside it was just not a smart move for Espinoza to start this beef all these months later and it phuking backfired he got roasted. My view is exactly this. Didn’t look great for both but Eddie was kind of forced to respond to the comment. Espinoza made argument appeared to be Eddie negotiating a deal for the Klitschko fight with HBO ? Sounds like he was maximising cash for AJ but hard to say exactly what went on. One thing is for sure , the relationship appears beyond repair now

7y ago

Scipio2009

That was in June 2018 ,agreeing and signing are two different things. anyone can agree to fight ,if they don't sign it doesn't mean anything. You're not very good with timelines are you ? After that Finkel made it clear Fury was next and no Joshua fight would be made that year, those are his words .So how could Joshua make that fight ? Finkel on his own premise decided to do 2 fights with Fury which we all know had rematch clauses attached to it. Wilder was giving 40% and rematch U.S clause for Wembley and he still ran away when the draw made that possible. Maybe you just don't realize its 2019 now and fights cannot be made if the other party doesn't want to fight ? :bottle: So now you're acknowledging that there was an agreement, lol. Good to know. And Hearn only even talked about offering Wilder 40% after Wilder-Fury was such a hit that no one even was talking about Joshua.

7y ago

That's a lie. It's all easily verifiable public information. Hearn sinks his own battleship if you watch all of his IFL videos. His story changes so often that it's easy to see who is telling the truth.

7y ago

bigdunny1

I'm not on Twitter, but this was a horrible look for both of them. Two grown man arguing like teenagers. Now this is for sure but it's hilarious to watch. Also key to remember it was Espinoza who started all this by trolling. Whoever's side you are on in the negotiations breakdown between Joshua and Wilder put that aside it was just not a smart move for Espinoza to start this beef all these months later and it phuking backfired he got roasted.

7y ago

Fake news right here It was confirmed to be next Hearn "confirming" it on IFL is meaningless if he refuses to put it in the contract.

7y ago

Szef

Similarly, your facts are not facts just because you call them facts :lol1: Don't even entertain this clown. He's a troll who recently got busted on using alts. What successful promoter does that? Hell what normal person does that? Ignore the troll.

7y ago

Ray

Hearn won. And I still can't believe people take this "50M offer" seriously. Wilder was making 2-3m per fight, and all of the sudden his team is the one making 50m offers to the moneymaker in the division? If Golovkin offered Canelo 50M, 90% of NSB (including me) would be laughing our asses off. Hell, after Joshua "rejected" than $50M offer, Wilder accepted Joshua's $15M flat fee offer. If that $50m was legit, why in the blue F would you acccept 15? It was a publicity stunt, it's obvious to anyone who doesn't have their heads up their butt - especially if you look at how it was presented originally, with that laughable "you have 24 hours" deadline. That was one of my biggest thing as well. If you really have 50m dollars why would you then accept an offer of 15m dollars? I know the answers would be the 50m was rejected but no thats not good enough, if you really have that money then i would think you would want the other side to see it, go through the terms, let them know where or how the money would be generated etc No one offers 50m and not want to sit down and meet, or put a 24 hours notice on it (If true). For me this was the sort of things you see in a Hollywood movies.

7y ago

j0zef

Hearn won. And I still can't believe people take this "50M offer" seriously. Wilder was making 2-3m per fight, and all of the sudden his team is the one making 50m offers to the moneymaker in the division? If Golovkin offered Canelo 50M, 90% of NSB (including me) would be laughing our asses off. Hell, after Joshua "rejected" than $50M offer, Wilder accepted Joshua's $15M flat fee offer. If that $50m was legit, why in the blue F would you acccept 15? It was a publicity stunt, it's obvious to anyone who doesn't have their heads up their butt - especially if you look at how it was presented originally, with that laughable "you have 24 hours" deadline. “I got a email actually from Deontay Wilder, not Sherry or Al or anyone like that. It said,” ‘Dear Anthony, you said in a interview if I gave you 50 million you’d sign for the fight tomorrow. I’m going to give you a 50/50 split of the fight.’ “Which isn’t of interest. But with a guarantee of 50 million which is of interest. Please accept this fight by tomorrow. Which kinda made me feel it’s a P.R move more than anything else especially as it’s coming from Deontay Wilder.” The more I learned about the offer from Deontay, the more it seemed to be disingenuous. Wilder wants full control of the fight, NO rematch clause, fight date around September-December, No venue information and no word how he will guarantee the money will be paid I.e. lump sum via escrow or installment payments. But Joshua must accept with in 24 hours. Basically, sign a blank piece of paper.

7y ago

mp1110

I'm not on Twitter, but this was a horrible look for both of them. Two grown man arguing like teenagers.

7y ago

lfc19titles

Wilder fans on damage control Look at the amount of anti Joshua threads they made after being exposed

7y ago

LacedUp

Just like Eddie Hearn tried to rush Deontay Wilder into a deal that would move the fight from Fall 2018 to April 2019 and have Wilder now fight on DAZN in the US? lol Al Haymon doesn't have a reputation for doing shiesty business with anyone, and I don't know enough about how Shelly Finkell did/does business to know if he reputation for doing bad business either (Haymon working smoothly with Finkell makes me doubt that Finkell is a crook). If Joshua/Hearn were serious, they would've let it be known from the jump that the "I'll fight him for $50m, no problem" talk was just banter and that Hearn's "billion dollar deal" hinged on Joshua bringing Wilder to DAZN in the US. There was no value in meeting once Anthony Joshua said that he really didn't want to take the fight for a guaranteed $50m. try to google shelly finkel shannon briggs. end of story.

7y ago

LacedUp

A fact doesn't stop being a fact just because you label it "damage control." If anything, you're doing damage control by trying to dismiss the facts. Similarly, your facts are not facts just because you call them facts :lol1:

7y ago

LacedUp

Let's see how far he would have gotten in life starting as a homeless runaway instead of being handed his daddy's company. Probably further than you.

7y ago

Ray

Did you catch at the end when Hearn asks for the contract papers sent , Espinoza switched it to the Joshua Showtime agreement and avoids that point ? Calls Hearn the pathological liar though ! :wow: Yeah, Espinoza was trying to deflect. He then tried to claim Hearn said he received a 3 pages documents when hearn said he didn't receive "1,3 or 50 pages" of anything. Hearn maintained he received a paragraph of 50m dollars offer from the personal email account of Wilder....I found that very very odd. I would expect that sort of email from solicitors, managers, promoters or networks NOT from actual fighters...Not even from Money Mayweather.

7y ago

lfc19titles

Wilder was never sent a contract for a 2018 fight with Joshua. Not sure what's hard to understand about that. Hearn sent a contract with no date, said he'd add a date in a few days, and when a few days went by he said he decided to fight Povetkin next, so the date couldn't be until 10 months later. Wilder, understandably believing it was ridiculous to sign for a fight 10 months away, told Hearn to go **** himself. Fake news right here It was confirmed to be next Then wba called the Mando after wilder and co rejected the offer public. Was their plan all along

7y ago

lfc19titles

Hearn has squashed the rat

7y ago

R_Walken

Usual groupies that think Hearn is the one telling the truth although it seems every interview Hearns given the last year or so there’s a New reason why a AJ/Wilder fight hasn’t happend from the top of my heads some of these have been . - no proof of funds / is 50 mil even legit - AJ doesn’t want to fight in the US / wants in UK for the fans - If accepted offer it be on BT - Not enough time to promote fight properly - Wilder has to fight Whyte first - Only a 30 million dollar fight and not willing to overpay so it’s a flat fee with no % and this is beyond fair. - no one knows who Wilder is - he’s being blackballed the first Cash cow that this has happend to - wilder doesn’t want the fight - WBA ordered Povetkin so ignore that a unification would trump Mando - Needs to agree to terms before Dec 1 before Wilder /Fury happens if Wilder wants fight I’m sure there’s way more excuses and reasons that Hearn has used as reasons that the fight hasnt happend yet. And somehow people still believe him Hearn is full of sh.it and Espinoza every couple months has No problem putting Hearn in check for his lies and dishonesty.

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Stephen Espinoza vs Eddie Hearn

bigdunny17y ago

Espinoza trolling then claiming Joshua was sent a contract for Wilder fight then backing down when he himself admits it wasn't a contract but a email.

Stone cold lies.
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

Lies? You mean like when you told Klitschko & HBO that AJ didn't have a multi-fight agreement with Showtime, even though there were still 3 fights left on the deal?

Experiences like that are why we keep all the receipts. I'm sure this excerpt will look familiar to you. pic.twitter.com/fNWK22YqNW
— Stephen Espinoza (@StephenEspinoza) February 25, 2019

Never said I sent it. Wilder sent it and you confirmed receipt.

"Hearn told ESPN that he had indeed received the offer by email from Wilder's personal account..." https://t.co/VNxG5Bms2S
— Stephen Espinoza (@StephenEspinoza) February 25, 2019

�� so now you are saying the personal email from Wilder (that was one paragraph) offering $50m was a contract!!!! Hahaha - CONTRACT WAS REQUESTED AND NEVER SENT
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

?!!! I repeat, despite requests we NEVER received a 1 page, 3 page or 50 page contract. If I’m lying then show the contract you sent
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

:popcorn: EDIT: continuing

You aren’t going to expose private business arrangements on Twitter but you dont mind discussing AJ’s previous Confidential contract. You are a beauty. Anyway I’m glad we cleared up that a contract was never sent.
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

No - a 3 page contract was never sent. Read my tweets not 1 page, 3 pages or 50 pages. You lost AJ because you ran out of money you know that. You also don’t have one of the top 3 heavyweights under contract. I get you are under pressure but don’t tell porky pies. Have a nice day
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

I guess you aren’t going to show this contract - the one that doesn’t exist. Re your AJ issue he’s gone mate - as Elsa said - Let it go! pic.twitter.com/pj5cQwxEWl
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

EDIT: Continuing 2

No issue with AJ.

Just reminding you of your consistent attempts to misrepresent facts and your apparent inability (or refusal) to recognize contractual obligations. https://t.co/CoJHjnZNP9
— Stephen Espinoza (@StephenEspinoza) February 25, 2019

Our contract was honoured and then you ran out of money. However when you tried to approach AJ’s trainer on the sly about an extension it was game over baby. Conor was right ��
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019

Cheerio
— Eddie Hearn (@EddieHearn) February 25, 2019