I have been brought up mainly on amateur boxing and have a limited knowledge about nuances of professional boxing, thus, excuse my naivity and/or ignorance. I still cannot see the reasons why the best boxers cannot meet on the ring if both sides want it.
OK, I can understand that boxer A avoids fighting boxer B because he is afraid to lose and, by means of various methods he delays the fight or even makes it impossible. It is called 'ducking', yes ? But this is the only situation I can understand.
I cannot understand a situation where both boxers really want to fight and really want to show to the world who is the best of the two. They both are rich enough so that the way the money is split is of secondary importance. They can also agree easily to set a neutral place of the fight (Kinshasa and Manilla came to my mind LOL) so it is also no serious obstacle.
So what are the true reasons ? Enlight me, please.
Both boxers may want the fight and neither fears the other and is ducking. They both want to be well paid and if both boxers are not satisfied with the terms of fight there will be no fight and it doesn't mean anybody ducked anybody. Money is one reason for a fight not to happen. Location is another reason. A boxer may be willing to fight another boxer but not in that boxer's home town or home country for fear of getting robbed which happens a lot these days.
It's prize fighting for one, men choosing to go life and death for the spoils of war.
But in this modern era of the blood sport, Promoters, teams, managers, fighters, networks, all want their share. Negotiations can become complicated as each party looks for their own interest, as a bad loss can derail, or stall a career, making it a risk for all involved.
But when a fighter has in his heart the conviction to become a true champion, and undisputed, and carve his legend by proving his is the best and removing all doubt by taking on dangerous lions, real killers in the sport, the best fights can and do happen. That's what made Fury/Wilder I so special.
It's why everyone is always arguing on boxing forums. Fans have no idea who the best fighter is in every weight division, so they have to yell at each other about why their guy is great.
Loma is great! No, Mikey is great! Result: no fight
Thurman is still great! No, Crawford is the new boogie man! No, Spence is it! Result: no fight
Joshua is God! No, Wilder. No, Fury! Result: One matchup that ended in a draw, and no rematch in sight.
A lot of nothing. Look at the threads around here. Since the fighters don't actually fight each other at the top level, people gotta post why their guy is the baddest. Or why the OTHER guy is "ducking." Or people gotta brag about how their guy is the "A side", so the OTHER guy has to make concessions.
I'm not interested. Maybe contract attorneys care. I'm only into the fights, but yeah.
You have wait a long time to see a top guy face another top guy for real.
answer this gaymon fighters are free agents why can't they cross over?
Who says they don't or won't but they ain't going to do with them asking to sign multi fight deals in order for it. Why won't TR or GB fighters cross over? Most them are not exclusive to a network, their promoters are but only Canelo has an exclusive deal where he can only fight on DAZN.Fury went to fight on PBC and wasn't asked to sign a multi fight deal with Haymon.
Any fighter should cross over to network that pays the most not just PBC fighters.
Hmmm...from what all of you experts say it is a very sad reality. It is a pity as boxing is such an underrated sport discipline. boxing is dying and has been for awhile.
Because of Networks and promoters. Promoters and networks want their marquee fighters to fight on their network. Arum will never allow any of his top fighters to fight off ESPN, they will have to fight on ESPN or no fight regardless if theres more money. Hearn will never allow AJ to fight on ESPN when he owes DAZN big fights. Certain promoters will allow big fights to happen if the money is good and let their fighters go to another network freely. Arum will never do that unless its a purse bid he lost answer this gaymon fighters are free agents why can't they cross over?
Because of Networks and promoters. Promoters and networks want their marquee fighters to fight on their network. Arum will never allow any of his top fighters to fight off ESPN, they will have to fight on ESPN or no fight regardless if theres more money. Hearn will never allow AJ to fight on ESPN when he owes DAZN big fights. Certain promoters will allow big fights to happen if the money is good and let their fighters go to another network freely. Arum will never do that unless its a purse bid he lost
Boxing is about prizefighting. So, unlike other sports -- at least in America -- boxing doesn't have a real system for pitting the best against the best. As a fan, you only get to have arguments about who is the best.
Who is the best heavyweight right now? Well, there's absolutely no way of knowing empirically. You can make an argument for any one of three guys. When will Wilder and Joshua fight? No idea. Whenever people can negotiate, maybe. Someday. We'll see. Tyson and Wilder had a draw -- will they fight again? No idea.
Who is the best welterweight? Same thing. You can say Spence, or Thurman, or Crawford, or somebody else. They don't fight each other, so we have no way of knowing.
Football, basketball, MMA, every other sport has real champions. So yeah, boxing doesn't really deliver that.wilder is behind fury and aj. boxing robs its fighters of belts lol.
You know the real reason? FANS.
Fans are to blame because they're willing to keep spending money on watching their guy beat up stiffs no matter how much they complain about it.
Title belts are the same. Everyone says belts are meaningless blah blah but as soon as a fighter they like wins one then suddenly they're happy to pretend it's really a world title.
As long as people are happy to keep buying sludge then the promoters will continue to serve them sludge. Why wouldn't they?
Boxing is about prizefighting. So, unlike other sports -- at least in America -- boxing doesn't have a real system for pitting the best against the best. As a fan, you only get to have arguments about who is the best.
Who is the best heavyweight right now? Well, there's absolutely no way of knowing empirically. You can make an argument for any one of three guys. When will Wilder and Joshua fight? No idea. Whenever people can negotiate, maybe. Someday. We'll see. Tyson and Wilder had a draw -- will they fight again? No idea.
Who is the best welterweight? Same thing. You can say Spence, or Thurman, or Crawford, or somebody else. They don't fight each other, so we have no way of knowing.
Football, basketball, MMA, every other sport has real champions. So yeah, boxing doesn't really deliver that.
Money bro
Most of the time both fighters make enough money by fighting scrubs and they are happy with it! They view Low risk and a decent reward as a better thing than High risk and a high reward
Thanks much for both answers. So it's about money, huh ? Well, as said, I cannot understand it, at least in case of the best fighters who have already won enormous money. If I am one of the two top boxers it means I am very very rich and instead another extra Lambo or helicopter I would prefer to show to the world that I am the one who is the best. Mind you, I am not talking about fighting for nothing, but just letting all the talks about splitting not small at all money go.
its all about milking the fans for as much as they can! look at pbc they have the more fighters than any other promoter yet look how we always have to way awhile for the top pbc fighters to fight each other.
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