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Sorry about the Novel I want the Wilder /Fury rematch to happen like everyone else. Even if the offer is tremendous as Arum will have you believe . unless it’s absolutely insane $ and off the charts stupid . Can anyone even give a decent reason or think a reason as to why they expect or think Wilder should or would take a offer from ESPN and have him and His team give up control of a possible rematch allowing Top Rank to controll the fight have all the advantages they can try and get for Fury. Top Rank would be in charge of location ( UK ? ) picking the judges , Date , commentators and probably more and allow Top Rank to be the promoter and Espn the channel to be the ones who would be the ones to profit from a rematch. I think Wilder is now the sports longest reigning World Champ and holds the most prestigious of the 4 straps and by the time he fights next no matter how you feel about the quality of opponents hes defended it against , he will be in the top 10 for longest HW title reigns ever in the sport for guys that defended more then once . And you can’t deny Fury best win is lightyears ahead of Wilders he also never fought the rematch and gave up his belts to take a sabbatical and spent a couple years trying his best to be a 6’10 version of Chris Farley reincarnated. He still holds the lineal title to most fans and media but it’s a title in name only and not tangible. If Fury goes broke after retirement he couldn’t sell his lineal to a pawn shop or on Ebay. If his wife divorced him she wouldn’t try and go after his lineal title thinking she deserves 50% of it l. If Fury lost the title ,the next guy couldn’t take a picture with it around his waist. It means something Depending on how you view the sport and the history but essentially worth the exact same as the fighters that hold the People’s Champ belt who didn’t get a decision fans think he deserved so this is the consolation prize For the fight to make the most amount of $ it would be a PPV in the States where a case can be made that Wilder is currently the sports most popular American fighter , his fights are routinely among the highest viewed year after year and the PPV with Fury I believe was the most ordered PPV with the A-side being American who wasn’t named Floyd since I think Bradley / Marquez. Hes clearly be the Fighter that would be responsible for most of the revenue generated in the States compared to Fury who hasn’t built up his profile to Wilder. But may change in the future now that he’ll be on ESPN but if Top Rank/ Warren are the lead Promoters of the rematch what’s having them not hosting in the UK and giving Fury home field advantage for it. It can’t be because it was ruled andraw When Most fans /media / Fighters thought that Fury did enough to win. If you look at the media / press scorecards about 44 % thought Wilder won 11% or was a draw 33% in their eyes and Fury won 56% according to the scores that I found. Not exactly a case for a robbery no matter how you view the end result.’ if a third of people scoring thought that the end result was fair and almost Half 46% had it Wilder winning or a draw. Half thought Fury won but is that enough to give up control of a rematch when basically half agreed with the final outcome . Look at the last draw that was considered a robbery and went against popular opinion and scorecards . Canelo / Golovkin. From the media / Fighters who scores I could find 87% thought Golovkin won and 13% thought it was a draw. The only people I found that gave it to Canelo was Dela Hoya , Hopkins ( I’m sure being Canelos Promoters has no effect on their scoring ) Chavez Jr. / Moreales ( who would never be swayed by their patriotism) and Mendoza head of the WBA ( who definitely wouldn’t want those Canelo sanctioning fees and who’s opinion on this wouldn’t make people believe any less the sport isn’t corrupt or shady as f.uck ) and to how it became a draw with the 2 judges basically reaffirming that the sport isn’t played on a level paying field being the least you can say about how they scored it basically absolutely no one from over 100 different people in the sport who wasn’t biased as f.uck and have their opinion discounted thought Canelo won or even deserved a draw. But no one is on record saying that because of it he should lose any of his advantages or give up control for the rematch. That it shouldn’t be fought in Vegas a city that has never given Canelo even 1 unfavourable scorecard by 1 judge. A city that routinely gives him 1-6 extra rounds by that can be viewed as close or that in no way he deserves by every judge. No one thought or is on record that Golovkins team take control of the rematch and have the advantages and the location should be chosen by Loeffler and Golovkin. that it should be in Khazastan or Golivknks team should be the ones to have a say in the judges . Why would Wilder /Fury be any different because it was a unpopular outcome to just over half of the people watching? but no where near the Canelo/Golovkin fight with how people Viewed the figh compared to final result.Wilder / Fury a case can’t really be made for the scorecards as being suspect or blatantly corrupt. Except The judge who scored it for Wilder gave him 7’rounds gave him the first 4 but didn’t give Wilder the 7th a round the 2 other judges gave Wilder. Even if you have that judge who scored it for Wilder and he only gave the first round of First 4’ like the other 2 judges the end result is still a MD . the judge who scored it a Draw had given Fury 7 of the first 11 Rounds and Fury would have won the fight on the cards had he not been KD and Making it a 10-8 round. Finally why should Fury be rewarded and benefit in the rematch when during negotiations he held secret meetings and signed with Top Rank. Which would making a immediate rematch harder if not impossible to make knowing how the current landscape of the sport looks like. Why bend over backwards and reward Fury and give him any advantages when negotiated the rematch not in good faith and who’s actions can be said were at least disingenuous to downright deceitful and shameful for a team to do business that way.

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Last I checked, Wilder doesn't have an $80 million deal with Showtime, PBC, or FOX. If he can fight on ESPN, what's the issue? If Arum tries to make him sign an option deal then Wilder should tell him to FK off and go defend his title on the other networks. Exactly! If the deal is for one fight and no string attached to it then why not. I don’t get this riding Wilder at every turn. He himself said he is a free agent.

7y ago

Jsmooth9876

7y ago

Ray

Fury went to showtime because that’s one of the platforms PBC works with and Wilder is loyal Fury wasn’t with a US platform so it Disn’t matter what channel , It’s like saying Wilder went over to BT , By going to TR as his American Platform he now works for a group that doesn’t or hasn’t shown interest in having their star working with other platforms. It’s like Wilder signs with sky and is like if Fury want the fight he better fight on sky when you know that isn’t going happen and if for some chance it did youd have to pay Fury so much for him to even consider it . No one wants to help the competition put on big fights so if Wilder really wanted the fight why go with sky . I think you’d assume he don’t really want it , maybe theyll do a Joint broadcast if the Fight is big enough but the rematch isn’t so it won’t get made and that’s because Fury signed with TR knowing full well it’d kill the rematch but let Arum spin it like they did and it Didn’t happen because Wilder didn’t want it or his tremendous offer which is all lies and just done to not hurt Fury’s rep and act like he wanted the fight Arum never has his Fighters fight on shows he doesn’t control the only 2 that come to mind are May/PAC simply because it time to cash out and worth so much it didn’t matter he didn’t control it. But still b.itched and cried to the press non stop about how we getting shafted in everything concerning the fight. And when Vargas fought ALi for the vacant on a GB card probably because theyd written Vargas off at that point and didn’t expect him to win. There’s a Reason he wants to control every event his Fighters fight in because he slants it to his Fighters favour as much as he can like any good promoter would do , Why would Wilder who is bringing every measurable advantage as far as revenue , $ , the belt give that up and have Arum try and stack the deck on him. Look am not assuming anything, am not blaming Wilder for anything so chill out. My point is simple, Wilder said he is a free agent. He can fight on any network, those were his words, no need to add anything else or spin those words. If and that’s a big if Arum/ESPN offers him something big without any options on his future fight then I don’t see why he wouldn’t take it. Fury was a network free agent and he went on and fought Wilder on showtime.... So yes it’s the same thing! Do tell me it’s isnt the same here.

7y ago

DaNeutral

Unbelievable. All the things Wilder fans been saying about AJ and now it is Why should Wilder bend over for Fury who is a B side cuz Wilder has more fans and Wilder has more belts. Wilder and his fans want this fight and they want the Joshua fight as long as Wilder, Haymon, Finkel and Showtime have full control and refusal to go with that is ducking. No interest in earning, stats, facts, belts, Wilder must be treated like the A side even if Fury can offer more money and he must be treated like the A side even though Anthony Joshua is clearly the A side which ever angle you try to look at it from.

7y ago

lolasif

If Arum's offer is take it or leave it, then Wilder should reject it. This doesn't prevent Wilder's team from countering it, with his own offer. If Fury and Wilder's teams enter into negotiations properly, then it is up to Wilder's team to get a deal that Wilder can be happy with. If they can't, then he should reject it. Everything is negotiable. Guarantees, the cut over a certain amount of PPV's, broadcaster, venue, date, split of the gate revenue, ring size, gloves, number and location of press conferences. All these things are meant to be agreed on mutually by both parties. If all of those things can be agreed on to Wilder's satisfaction, then of course he should accept the offer. Realistically it should be quite easy. Wilder and Finkel have both admitted that Wilder is a network free agent, so there is no reason why ESPN shouldn't broadcast it. Al Haymon already has the Barclay's Centre booked out for May 18th, so that would be an ideal venue and date. If they fight at Barclay's, then the judges and referee will be chosen by NYSAC. Even if the promoters were choosing them, surely Bob Arum and Shelly Finkel between them could choose people they are mutually happy with.

7y ago

R_Walken

Wilder did go to BT and was going to indirectly let them buy the rights to the Joshua fight as Warrens own words said he and Finkel were involved . A rival network to Sky which wouldn't have come off and here you are complaining about Fury going to ESPN when that doesn't stop Wilder non contracted fighter to any network ? How stupid can you get ? :lol1::lol1::lol1::lol1: That’s False Warren and DiBella said when they offered AJ the 50 mil Finkel discussed with Warren what the rights were worth obviously for the fight. If the fight was to happen it obviously have to be on Sky but they needed to know the true worth. Having Bt air them was never a option but Keep spinning

7y ago

R_Walken

Well stick around this thread for a good laugh ,and read just how stupid the thread creator is. :sucks: Sorry Jug I’m not as intelligent as the man who claimed Lennox Lewis backed down when you confronted him on Twitter Actually took responsibility for Wilder decision to fight Ortiz . And you were Serious that’s the sad part The man who lives in a Basement posted a video of himself looking borderline handicap and looking like to get any s.ex definitely has to pay for it hitting the heavy bag like a modern day Dempsey who has the opinions that makes the movers and shakers of boxing stand up and take notice What else oh didnt you claim that you beat up Breazeale in sparring and responsible for teaching him some things I’m sure there’s more but it’s been awhile , yes I’m the stupid one but not at least not batshi.t crazy and delusional of my self worth . I’m so stupid it Should be easy for a genius like you to state why you believe TR Fury actually want a immediate rematch and why should Wilder be expected to give up control to Top Rank when they’ve yet to do so for basically of their top Fighters and won’t unless it’s a fight as big as May/Pqc or a fighter they’ve written off a fighter like Vargas. But why should Wilder be expected too oh wise one of the windowless basement give everyone you expertise

7y ago

R_Walken

Fury went over to showtime to fight Wilder on his own network. So I don’t see any issues on fighting on ESPN if the offer is right. Like Wilder said he is a free agent. Fury went to showtime because that’s one of the platforms PBC works with and Wilder is loyal Fury wasn’t with a US platform so it Disn’t matter what channel , It’s like saying Wilder went over to BT , By going to TR as his American Platform he now works for a group that doesn’t or hasn’t shown interest in having their star working with other platforms. It’s like Wilder signs with sky and is like if Fury want the fight he better fight on sky when you know that isn’t going happen and if for some chance it did youd have to pay Fury so much for him to even consider it . No one wants to help the competition put on big fights so if Wilder really wanted the fight why go with sky . I think you’d assume he don’t really want it , maybe theyll do a Joint broadcast if the Fight is big enough but the rematch isn’t so it won’t get made and that’s because Fury signed with TR knowing full well it’d kill the rematch but let Arum spin it like they did and it Didn’t happen because Wilder didn’t want it or his tremendous offer which is all lies and just done to not hurt Fury’s rep and act like he wanted the fight Arum never has his Fighters fight on shows he doesn’t control the only 2 that come to mind are May/PAC simply because it time to cash out and worth so much it didn’t matter he didn’t control it. But still b.itched and cried to the press non stop about how we getting shafted in everything concerning the fight. And when Vargas fought ALi for the vacant on a GB card probably because theyd written Vargas off at that point and didn’t expect him to win. There’s a Reason he wants to control every event his Fighters fight in because he slants it to his Fighters favour as much as he can like any good promoter would do , Why would Wilder who is bringing every measurable advantage as far as revenue , $ , the belt give that up and have Arum try and stack the deck on him.

7y ago

Scipio2009

There should be no such thing as loyalty to a network. The suits don't care about Wilder or anyone else. If a fighter is on a network 5+ years a lot of the people running the show will change. With a promoter/manager, it's different. If Haymon doesn't want him on ESPN long-term and Wilder says personal loyalty comes first then I can understand it. Haymon guided him to where he is now. A lot of it comes down to just what deal TR offer.. If it's a single fight he should take it, Al would still be his advisor and would go on guiding his career afterwards win or lose. But if it's a 3-4 fight deal then I wouldn't blame him for not signing. As for all the 'giving up control of the event' stuff, if Al says 'I'll pay Fury 15M to fight Wilder' and Bob says 'I'll pay Wilder 20M to fight Fury' then I'd expect Wilder to accept. Fans can debate who deserves what based on past judging, who has the most defences etc. but boxing reality says that for a single fight, you go where the money is and to whoever is paying it. If that means Saudi Arabia, Zaire, Tokyo or wherever. You're right that Fury could've made the rematch by now but chose not to, he's a roid user who talks nonsense in most interviews, he doesn't 'deserve' to have things his way, but if Wilder gets a career high payday to face Fury on a TR card with no strings attached I'd be criticial of him turning it down. I don't expect TR to make an offer like that tbh so it's a big if. Why would Wilder take $20m when he was looking at near 50% on a fight that was set to clear at least $40m?

7y ago

Ray

:bottle: Yeah he can fight anywhere but that doesn’t mean that he should be expected to allow Top Rank to controll every aspect of the fight and put himself at a Disadvantage when it was Fury that made the fight harder to make and having Top Rank be the only ones who controll the details of the fight , unless the offer is retarded as far as overpaying to the point you can’t say no. Would you actually expect that Wilder give up any advantage he could get in the rematch and hand those over to Top Rank /Fury and not have the fight on a platform ( PBC )! he’s been loyal to and promotes on exclusively and allow the competition to prosper off the fight That makes no sense .No one in the sport would allow themselves to fight at a disadvantage by choice. Maybe unless they were getting so overpaid you couldn’t say no Top Rank would never allow Fury to go over to Showtime and help that network and The reason it’s like this because of Fury so you reward his shady business tactics Fury went over to showtime to fight Wilder on his own network. So I don’t see any issues on fighting on ESPN if the offer is right. Like Wilder said he is a free agent.

7y ago

boxinggod101

Welcome to the mind of what only a Wilder fan can produce ! :doh: Lol yeah this is beyond stupid. I am not really a fan of both but the level of dumb sh##t I read in this forum is funny.

7y ago

Curt_Henning

There should be no such thing as loyalty to a network. The suits don't care about Wilder or anyone else. If a fighter is on a network 5+ years a lot of the people running the show will change. With a promoter/manager, it's different. If Haymon doesn't want him on ESPN long-term and Wilder says personal loyalty comes first then I can understand it. Haymon guided him to where he is now. A lot of it comes down to just what deal TR offer.. If it's a single fight he should take it, Al would still be his advisor and would go on guiding his career afterwards win or lose. But if it's a 3-4 fight deal then I wouldn't blame him for not signing. As for all the 'giving up control of the event' stuff, if Al says 'I'll pay Fury 15M to fight Wilder' and Bob says 'I'll pay Wilder 20M to fight Fury' then I'd expect Wilder to accept. Fans can debate who deserves what based on past judging, who has the most defences etc. but boxing reality says that for a single fight, you go where the money is and to whoever is paying it. If that means Saudi Arabia, Zaire, Tokyo or wherever. You're right that Fury could've made the rematch by now but chose not to, he's a roid user who talks nonsense in most interviews, he doesn't 'deserve' to have things his way, but if Wilder gets a career high payday to face Fury on a TR card with no strings attached I'd be criticial of him turning it down. I don't expect TR to make an offer like that tbh so it's a big if. Espinoza and haymon have been loyal to each other....and Espinoza has been at his post for some time now.....and they've both been very supportive of wilder wilder was building a lot of momentum going into the fury fight...his profile was being raised quite well....and that fight was a relative success and they were ready to do it again.... wilder deserves 0 blame here no matter what he does....and hes got the strap

7y ago

R_Walken

There doesn't need to be a reason for Fury ,his career doesn't revolve around Wilder who he defeated already . Wilder is the one who tried weasling out on a fight by not sticking to his promise of a U.K rematch . The problem with you fan girls is you can't comprehend Fury gave Wilder his Pay Per View fight and if Wilder can't get the fight at Barclays that's to bad , he can wait now like the lacky he is. The paper champion who generates 1.4 million per fight , let's see what he does now Mr.A side greatest HW ever in his mind ?????? :doh: Just 1’reason why TR should control the fight unless they overpay Wilder to the point you can’t say no probably 2-3.5x what he made in the first fight handing. There’s no other reason to expect Wilder to hand the keys over Wait for Fury to fight who exactly, it’s not he’s got a super fight lined up without Wilder. Fury talent pool of possible name is non existent Even 1.4 is more then you’ll make your entire life but you want to make it seem like he somehow has to work next to you at Wal-Mart because it’s chump change Arum said that there’s no way Loma one of his star fighter fights Crolla if it was on DAZN even though that’s was a Mando and no one expected if the fight happend that it be anywhere but On Espn but you expect Wilder to do something Arum would never do and allow one of his guys to fight on DAZn have them controll the fight and build up DAZn . But how is this different just because Fury signed with TR before fighting the rematch and now thats the only option because Arum wont share his talent they have to come to him But he cries when other don’t want to send their fighters to Espn but like Wilder should be expected to hand over the reigns to TR and let them do what they wish with the event The only reason I made the thread is because I want to see if anyone can even have 1legit reason why TR should control the fight besides that the only way for it to happen The rematch isn’t going to happen anyway and when that happens we all know you and all the other predictable lames will just say Wilder Ducked. When the real reason it won’t is because Fury didn’t want it and signing with TR sets a roadblock that no one else whos in the position Wilder is in would do it either

7y ago

R_Walken

Welcome to the mind of what only a Wilder fan can produce ! :doh: Good to see you’ve returned I can only assume it’s from months of meetings where offering your valuable insight to the powers brokers of the sport who hang on your every word and have them use your opinion to influence the sport and make the fights and moves you suggest all the while having ATGs in the sport cower when you enter the room knowing if they step out of line they’re in trouble But it’s more likely that you’ve collected enough pop bottles to pay to finally have your power turned back on Name 1 reasonable reason not including unless you’re so overpaid that you’d actually give up the control of the event and give it to Top Rank

7y ago

R_Walken

:bottle:He already said he can fight anywhere. As long as he gets rewarded properly then he can do what Fury did and fight on Fury’s network. Don’t see any issues with that as long as he accepts the contract and sign it. Yeah he can fight anywhere but that doesn’t mean that he should be expected to allow Top Rank to controll every aspect of the fight and put himself at a Disadvantage when it was Fury that made the fight harder to make and having Top Rank be the only ones who controll the details of the fight , unless the offer is retarded as far as overpaying to the point you can’t say no. Would you actually expect that Wilder give up any advantage he could get in the rematch and hand those over to Top Rank /Fury and not have the fight on a platform ( PBC )! he’s been loyal to and promotes on exclusively and allow the competition to prosper off the fight That makes no sense .No one in the sport would allow themselves to fight at a disadvantage by choice. Maybe unless they were getting so overpaid you couldn’t say no Top Rank would never allow Fury to go over to Showtime and help that network and The reason it’s like this because of Fury so you reward his shady business tactics

7y ago

Ray

He already said he can fight anywhere. As long as he gets rewarded properly then he can do what Fury did and fight on Fury’s network. Don’t see any issues with that as long as he accepts the contract and sign it.

7y ago