Is Showtime heading the HBO way?

Is Showtime still relevant or what?

It does seem Showtime will be closing shop soon. So if it does happen, Ol' salty Arum should be called NostraBOBus

Anything for Showtime in the last quarter of this year?

Let's just face it. Showtime don't have unlimited funds to come up with meaningful cards every month. It's not really about Haymon preferring Fox over it. But just imagine you are a subscriber and want to see fights at least two fights per month. Man, that's a lot of waiting, waiting waiting.

cbs owns showtime..showtime has charlos, gervanta davis, and wilder. the top ko artists in the boxing world. showtime isn't going anywhere and is doing great.

With the CBS and Viacom Merger and a new guy now in charge of Showtime, nobody knows what the Future Holds for Showtime Boxing or probably even Espinoza with a new guy (Bob Bakish) overseeing Showtime now Showtime and Espinoza are not doing anything wrong nor can they do anything better other than maybe put fights on CBS I guess. I think they will continue to get fights, the budget will be Lower for now but I think Showtime Boxing will stick around and try to weather the down period in boxing as far as Ratings and overall appeal Boxing actually does GREAT Digitally for Showtime, even FOX recently mentioned during their Q4 Conference Call how big of a jump they got since launching their boxing PPV Coverage. So it is still a big market for boxing, the issues is that Boxing Demo is OLD so how do they get the Older Fans on Those New Digital Formats is the challenge that all of boxing has!

It does seem Showtime will be closing shop soon.

Hmmm, they have no PBC fights lined up. They do have other ShoBox level cards on the horizon.

they have 50 more tank davis mismatches planned. they arent going anywhere. haters!

They sure are

Yes because eventually fox is going to want everything and they have shown they can promote better than showtime.

They spent all their money overpaying Wilder just to show they can match Hearn's offer. Or to keep Deontay from crossing the street.

Showtime been going down the same path as HBO. Showtime needs to hang up their boxing gloves pretty soon.

Seems this thread is still relevant.

How are their aims different? Do you think Showtime was happy about losing a lot of those PBC fighters to Fox aka one of CBS's competitors? Fox Sports is getting content to fill in FS1; Showtime is looking to deliver the best fights that they can to their subscribers. Espinoza would've loved to have Spence-Mikey on Showtime, but FOX got it instead; Showtime still got Pacquiao-Broner, and will Wilder-Fury 2 and Thurman-Pacquiao to close out the first half of 2019, to go along with a feature for Gervonta Davis, a likely LSC-GRJ fight later, the Cuban stacked show, the return of Broner, and the continued development of Haney, 'Boots', and Claressa on ShoBox. Showtime hasn't been left in the cold on the deal.

More boxing the better but the question is boxing on showtime is being lead to fail with weak cards and low ratings! When was the last time showtime hit the 1 million views! Their is female soccer college games due better views than Shobox or weak Showtime cards! Fox is doing great but showtime not so well! The Showtime app is already in well over 3m homes (on top of the 20+ million homes with the channel), Showtime will host the last 2-3 PPVs of Pacquiao's run before he goes away, and Showtime will host the PPV run of Deontay Wilder for however long it lasts, while also likely hosting the PPV runs of Spence and Davis (if it happens). You literally understand nothing, lol

Showtime has always played second fiddle to HBO and to some degree even the boxers signed to them have ...jimmy Lennon Jnr was always a weak substitute to Michael buffer as well....I think showtime are gradually on there way out !!! Top Rank called Jimmy Lennon Jr to carry their last event, lol.

And HBO had 3 consecutive Canelo PPV's that sold a million buys and they still got out of boxing. That's no guarantee. HBO didn't put anything behind that, which was the problem; even after the Haymon freezeout, HBO stopped financing the support shows on their schedule with the talent they kept working with. HBO didn't want to pay for the nonsense that Top Rank was offering, not did they want to "lower themselves" by working with smaller outfits to bring back BAD, so eventually they just said "**** it". Showtime, outside of the Haymon-Oscar split and maybe the early part of the PBC effort, hasn't skipped on the infrastructure; in Yr 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018, Showtime has delivered at least 15 fight nights a year, and that's unlikely to change for the next 4 years either. Try talking when Showtime only air 8 fight cards in a year.

Don’t give up. Windows and OSX still rocking Intel. PBC, Showtime, Fox all family. :) But windows and osx as well as mcdonalds and bk produce one thing (the os and burgers). Showtime (and fox) has a broad spectrum of entertainment and could drop boxing if it is not profitable. Fox cuts into showtimes boxing profits. The point the guy is making is that boxing on showtime would benefit more without fox. With fox, it benefits less. This is regardless of the success of pbc. To follow your analogy, is it possible for microsoft or apple to stop making os or mcdlds and bk stop selling burgers? But it is possible for a tv network to drop certain content because it has other content. In fact the existence of osx is not good for windows profits. Just as boxing on fox means people do not watch those fights on showtime. If pbc is intel, that's fine, but the guy was explaining the competition between networks, not the success of pbc. Or the competition between windows and osx, not intel.

Showtime boxing just doesn't feel like a big show, never has. Production level has never been on HBOs level, so if the fights aren't really good I'm just not interested. Well Showtime can hire HBO's production crew now seeing as they are out of work