If PAC wins over 2 top WWs this year, is he FOTD again?

I hope pac-thurman happen and if pac win he will be a strong candidate to be a fighter of the decade.

To be Fotd you have to do great things consistently for 10 years if you can do, and not for 2 or 3 years. So what foty got to do with anything? Floyd never been Fotd so how can he be best of era let alone best of all time If that is the case then you have just eliminated Manny from the FOTD conversation for this decade. He is the best of his era based on record and a win over the guy who is considered the 2nd best of the era by every credible ranking of the fighters from the era. I am not arguing he is the best of all time. I am not even arguing he is the FOTD. I am saying Manny's win over Thurman doesn't give him a better dceade then Floyd, AJ, Loma, craford , Ward or Usyk (i'd add Canelo but he got popped for PED's).

Anyway. Ali is on plenty of lists for 60's. Obviously it's not official, the award I think was only made in the 90's (correct me if im wrong). Yeah, the BWAA started it in the 90's.

The 90th anniversary edition in 2011 had their fighter of the decade. They had the top 10's of each decade. That link I think is Rosenthal's list. The magazine edition also had Greb as the fighter of the 1920's not Leonard. Anyway. Ali is on plenty of lists for 60's. Obviously it's not official, the award I think was only made in the 90's (correct me if im wrong).

Link? Here's what I get: https://www.ring tv.com/121043-10-greatest-fighters-by-decade/ The 90th anniversary edition in 2011 had their fighter of the decade. They had the top 10's of each decade. That link I think is Rosenthal's list. The magazine edition also had Greb as the fighter of the 1920's not Leonard.

They named Eder Jofre fighter of the decade for the 60's. Link? Here's what I get: https://www.ring tv.com/121043-10-greatest-fighters-by-decade/

The ring has named Ali FOTD in the 60's. They named Eder Jofre fighter of the decade for the 60's.

Ali was never the fighter of the decade either nor was Ezzard Charles. Both are greater than Floyd or Manny combined. Pacquaio IMO could be in contention though I think as an outside bet. His resume since 2010 is Clottey - good win against a bigger guy Margarito - dominant win over a washed up opponent Mosley - see above Marquez III - highly controversial "win" which the vast (huge) majority had him losing. Marquez was also touching 40 and clearly removed from his best weight. Bradley I - Dominant performance over an elite fighter Marquez IV - Brutal KO loss to his biggest rival (At this point he's clearly past his best and no longer great) Rios - dominant win over perennial punchbag Bradley II - repeat win this time official Algieri - dominant win over a mediocre fighter Mayweather - loss against a pound for pounder Bradley III - pointless rubber match, repeat win Vargas - solid, dominant win over an ordinary fighter Horn - robbery loss in a fight that was more competitive than should be (see Crawford-Horn) Mattheyse - blowout win over a used up opponent Broner - dominant win over an ordinary fighter/gatekeeper He's not that strong of a contender. It should also be noted he's unified exactly zero titles or had no strong title reigns in this decade. He's not upset the odds once either so there's not enough that jumps out to offset or compensate for any of this strong enough for him to win the award. The ring has named Ali FOTD in the 60's.

To be Fotd you have to do great things consistently for 10 years if you can do, and not for 2 or 3 years. So what foty got to do with anything? Floyd never been Fotd so how can he be best of era let alone best of all time Ali was never the fighter of the decade either nor was Ezzard Charles. Both are greater than Floyd or Manny combined. Pacquaio IMO could be in contention though I think as an outside bet. His resume since 2010 is Clottey - good win against a bigger guy Margarito - dominant win over a washed up opponent Mosley - see above Marquez III - highly controversial "win" which the vast (huge) majority had him losing. Marquez was also touching 40 and clearly removed from his best weight. Bradley I - Dominant performance over an elite fighter Marquez IV - Brutal KO loss to his biggest rival (At this point he's clearly past his best and no longer great) Rios - dominant win over perennial punchbag Bradley II - repeat win this time official Algieri - dominant win over a mediocre fighter Mayweather - loss against a pound for pounder Bradley III - pointless rubber match, repeat win Vargas - solid, dominant win over an ordinary fighter Horn - robbery loss in a fight that was more competitive than should be (see Crawford-Horn) Mattheyse - blowout win over a used up opponent Broner - dominant win over an ordinary fighter/gatekeeper He's not that strong of a contender. It should also be noted he's unified exactly zero titles or had no strong title reigns in this decade. He's not upset the odds once either so there's not enough that jumps out to offset or compensate for any of this strong enough for him to win the award.

To be Fotd you have to do great things consistently for 10 years if you can do, and not for 2 or 3 years. So what foty got to do with anything? Floyd never been Fotd so how can he be best of era let alone best of all time

I bought the idea up Pac should get extra brownie points for beating these young prime lions, from the very fact Floyd fans boasting that ancient 35 or 36 year old Floyd beat young nelo. But the difference is Nell wasn't prime, in fact he was green and largely untested, with a cw. So how much credit do you want us to give floyd? Thurman is in prime and a pfp guy, not green and untested and drained. Spence and crawford have no win over thurman, so don't even know if they deserve to be rated higher. You keep saying I like pac, and I do, but why don't you admit you hate Pac with a passion? Because you know PacS greater than floyd. Admit it. Of course you don't want Pac to be fotd. Because you don't like pac. And fotd escaped Floyd twice. Floyd didn't even hang around to 2020 to have chance. It must really get to you. Pac getting fotd again would psychologically destroy you, so if course you will try to deny Pac at any cost. Thurman is not a p4p fighter at this moment or for the rest of 2019 given he's been out for 2 years. He wasn't ranked p4p before he was hurt so how can you just magically place him there now? Now you are making up ridiculous stuff to try and elevate Thurman. Yes I am a known pac hater. However on this I listed every fighters whose resumes surpass Manny's in this decade. You offered nothing of the sort. Psychologically destroy me LMFAO! You are trying too hard. Mine is an argument based on subjective criteria. Yours is based on slurpage and delusion. If I did argue for Floyd, which I haven't, he has both a win over Manny and he is the only boxer with 2 FOTY awards this decade. Manny has not won a FOTY award this decade and even if he beats Thurman will not have a win better than Floyd beating Manny or Canelo. Nor will he have a win better than Ward's over Kov, Usyk's over the entire CW division or AJ's over Wlad. The best argument you can make is he has a better win than either Loma and Crawford but their body of work destroys Manny's this decade. You are arguing that Manny should win FOTD when he never won a FOTY award during the decade. You have absolutely no credibility.

I always thought it was Jiff Horn.

Isn't it Jim Horn? *Jeb........

Yes, you can take his age into consideration. If that is the case, then Floyd's win over Canelo needs to be elevated the same way. But of course you will try and lessen that. look, you aren't interested in anything fair. You want to slurp Manny and give him something because you like him, regardless if it means a more deserving person loses out. I bought the idea up Pac should get extra brownie points for beating these young prime lions, from the very fact Floyd fans boasting that ancient 35 or 36 year old Floyd beat young nelo. But the difference is Nell wasn't prime, in fact he was green and largely untested, with a cw. So how much credit do you want us to give floyd? Thurman is in prime and a pfp guy, not green and untested and drained. Spence and crawford have no win over thurman, so don't even know if they deserve to be rated higher. You keep saying I like pac, and I do, but why don't you admit you hate Pac with a passion? Because you know PacS greater than floyd. Admit it. Of course you don't want Pac to be fotd. Because you don't like pac. And fotd escaped Floyd twice. Floyd didn't even hang around to 2020 to have chance. It must really get to you. Pac getting fotd again would psychologically destroy you, so if course you will try to deny Pac at any cost.

wtf????? :rofl: and those guys you mention, they beat up on bums who got a gift decision belt. example jeff horn. You are no different than hugh grant. You like Manny. Cool. there are other men that had far better decades if you list everything they all did. Basically you and hugh grant are arguing that Manny should win FOTD when he never won a FOTY award during the decade. GTFOH !

Many fighters have had a good decade, and its a case of take a pick. But youd better believe people will take into consideration Pacs age and what hes willing to do, and what hes doing past prime. No it isn't. It's a case of comparing what they all did and making a fair choice. You whine about Manny being robbed yet want to rob people who have accomplished more. Yes, you can take his age into consideration. If that is the case, then Floyd's win over Canelo needs to be elevated the same way. But of course you will try and lessen that. look, you aren't interested in anything fair. You want to slurp Manny and give him something because you like him, regardless if it means a more deserving person loses out.

I know you know from 1990-2000 Holyfield beat Bowe, Douglass, Holmes, Foreman, Mercer, Tyson, Moorer. Manny's resume in this decade is no where near that. Also you have guys like Crawford who unified multiple divisions during the decade, Usyk that cleaned out a division in a way no one has in a long time, Loma with his resume, Ward who went undefeated. Hell I'm not even counting Floyd and he had the 3 biggest fights of the decade and won all 3 (canelo, Manny, conor) or AJ. I honesty don't see how Thurman moves him past that when Thurman isn't the #1 ww anymore. wtf????? :rofl: and those guys you mention, they beat up on bums who got a gift decision belt. example jeff horn.

You keep babbling about Manny but have yet to take an honest look at what other fighters have done this decade. Look at everything each of them has accomplished and compare. Then add a Manny win over Thurman. . Many fighters have had a good decade, and its a case of take a pick. But youd better believe people will take into consideration Pacs age and what hes willing to do, and what hes doing past prime.

Do you know what weight Pac started at? Its like when RJJ beat Ruiz, Ruiz maynot have been best heavyweight but you better admit that people were going to give RJJ credit for even doing things people aren't supposed to do, regardless if he didn't beat no1 heavyweight. Thurman is more comparable to Spence and Crawford than a Ruiz was to Lennox Lewis or prime holyfield. Do you think people care if on paper Thurman isn't no1? Spence and Crawford haven't beat Thurman to justify that they really deserve to be above Thurman. If Pac beats Thurman he is in for a shot at being FOTD. In a fair world he will be. But as you know the world isn't always fair. You can delete the part of the post but it doesn't make it go away. Even if Manny beats Thurman his decade doesn't eclipse the decade of the guys I mentioned. You keep babbling about Manny but have yet to take an honest look at what other fighters have done this decade. Look at everything each of them has accomplished and compare. Then add a Manny win over Thurman. In a fair world, you'd make it about what was done, not who you like.

I honesty don't see how Thurman moves him past that when Thurman isn't the #1 ww anymore. Do you know what weight Pac started at? Its like when RJJ beat Ruiz, Ruiz maynot have been best heavyweight but you better admit that people were going to give RJJ credit for even doing things people aren't supposed to do, regardless if he didn't beat no1 heavyweight. Thurman is more comparable to Spence and Crawford than a Ruiz was to Lennox Lewis or prime holyfield. Do you think people care if on paper Thurman isn't no1? Spence and Crawford haven't beat Thurman to justify that they really deserve to be above Thurman. If Pac beats Thurman he is in for a shot at being FOTD. In a fair world he will be. But as you know the world isn't always fair.