The "tainted Mexican beef" excuse is plausible

- -That you jokers can't see BALCO Vic pulling his same scam as before, the only difference being he's been blessed with a veritable plethora of the dumbest sports demographic known to mankind with due deference to the exceptions. We have wildlife now testing positive for Mankind's drug among other pollutions of the planet, and the best they can come up with is ghost nanograms of something that wouldn't put a muscle on a gnat! Of course we had TUE 50-0 Boy Bey caught by standard commish testing at 30x Testosterone while TUE been cleaning up boxing...j/k! And Big Baby with multi substances obviously obtained by over the counter supplements, but notice it's so embarrassing for VADA that they almost never release the nanogram values. And NO TESTING for VADA/USADA honchos, boxing officials, orgs, and commishes who live under a protected umbrella from the gathering storm.

Money talks in Mexico. Corruption is the order of the day. But in the US there is corruption too. Merck just makes it legal by using it's money to "lobby" to get the FDA to grant approvals. If you think about it there really is no reason why a man made chemical should be present in the food we eat. Without the permission of the people, anyway. Most of us had no clue this was even going on with our meat I bet. If not for boxing I likely would never have researched and found out. Canelo also did hair follicle testing. Which to me was a further sign of his good faith in being open about his failed test. Along with signing up for 24/7/365 VADA. The VADA thing. IMO he had no real choice if he wanted to keep some credibility. Concerning the hair follicle testing it was not a sign of good faith it was ordered by the NSAC. He didn't volunteer. Passing the follicle test as unreliable as it is is a plus for him. I agree with your comments about chemicals in our food supply and corruption. Do some research into the negative effects of artificial sweeteners and their link to Dick Cheney. Like you said it's all about the money.

You're missing the X-Factor. For scientific research, you won't find leaked research for how labs are able to distinguish. You're assuming they can't. See the irony? As Dr. Boer said, 1 molecule is enough for legal disputes, regardless if it was 100% meat contamination. You think Loeffler would bend over for GBP if he can renegotiate? Loeffler went quiet after the series because imo he was put on the bench for causing drama, but good for him he hustled the system... Remember, the WBC wanted Canelo's fees and he flat out said fff them on multiple occasions. Without Canelo reppin the WBC how can they make money off his fights? The WBC are 100% gangsters. They have a lot of dirt on many people which is why industry won't challenge it and best leave it alone. If Canelo without a doubt cheated, WBC-CBP wouldn't have given him Franchise status since many in the field would love the whistleblow against them. The whole renegotiation process benefitted Loeffler and WBC-CBP and a friendly reminder to GBP to have Canelo stay in his place, not because of cheating. Again, Franchise. As I said all along I don't know if the dude cheated or not. Hell possibly the WBC don't even know for sure, and you're likely right that they hold dirt on people and stuff. All I can go off is the evidence I got which is basically public domain research and the figures that have been released, and that basically says we can't know if he cheated or ate contaminated meat. Course you can invoke a Deus Ex Machina and say... ah but what if they know something that we don't? What if they ain't telling us all they know about testing techniques? And it is of course a possibility but it's one that by definition ain't really subject to rational debate or proof, so I ain't gonna waste my time discussing it.

Money talks in Mexico. Corruption is the order of the day. But in the US there is corruption too. Merck just makes it legal by using it's money to "lobby" to get the FDA to grant approvals. If you think about it there really is no reason why a man made chemical should be present in the food we eat. Without the permission of the people, anyway. Most of us had no clue this was even going on with our meat I bet. If not for boxing I likely would never have researched and found out. Canelo also did hair follicle testing. Which to me was a further sign of his good faith in being open about his failed test. Along with signing up for 24/7/365 VADA. Indeed. Only problem is there ain't an effective discriminatory hair test yet. Research is underway at the WADA labs under Detlief Thieme but they're still a ways from knowing what results they would expect from a given test. Further to that it may always be problematic for redheads. The hair strand test looks promising but is dependent on the fact that Clenbuterol binds to melanin in the hair (y'know the same stuff that deternins skin pigmentation)... upshot is you gotta allow for melanin levels when you're claibrating the testing, so dark haired folk gonna get different results to fair haired folk and so on (and even within that a lot of inconsistent results seem to be turning up in the studies that are available online). This is presumably why it's proving to be such a problematic process. Where was I? Yeah Redheads. Shit this is something I didn't know until I started looking into this whole thing... Right. Black dudes, white dudes, blonds, brunettes we all got the same kind of melanin, we just got it in different levels... thats what determines our pigmentation, but those red headed mfers are like mutants or something, they got an entirely different type of melanin - Pheomelanin (as opposed to the regular Eumelanin pigment) - that makes their hair red. They got some other unusual differences as well, different responses to analgesia and pain responses and stuff... but I digress. Upshot is it's unclear whether any of the research done so far (which has been mainly on brunettes from what I recall) is actually gonna be relevant to gingers.

It's banned in Mexico by the way so why do they have a problem. It's caused by the corruption or lack of will in Mexico. They could stop this in less than a year if they wanted to. Money talks in Mexico. Corruption is the order of the day. But in the US there is corruption too. Merck just makes it legal by using it's money to "lobby" to get the FDA to grant approvals. If you think about it there really is no reason why a man made chemical should be present in the food we eat. Without the permission of the people, anyway. Most of us had no clue this was even going on with our meat I bet. If not for boxing I likely would never have researched and found out. Like I say we're never gonna get a definitive answer through urine testing, it's really a matter now of how best to deal with future cases and hanging on the results of the hair strand testing research. Canelo also did hair follicle testing. Which to me was a further sign of his good faith in being open about his failed test. Along with signing up for 24/7/365 VADA.

Fo’sho. From what I recall Clen regimens are like starting doses of 80mg a day. Increases after a week and so on and then you decrease. Imagine checking the levels of those heads after a complete regimen. It’s nowhere near picograms... Yeah the 80mg daoly peak dose is about what I recall as well. Course we still then come down to the problem that no matter how much you take eventually it gets eliminated down to a level where it's indistinguishable from contamination. Like I say we're never gonna get a definitive answer through urine testing, it's really a matter now of how best to deal with future cases and hanging on the results of the hair strand testing research.

Francisco Vargas tested positive for zilpaterol. Which happens to be legal to use on cattle in the US and Canada as well. Pharmaceutical giant Merck created the drug and of course uses it's deep pockets to make sure it gets government approval and pushes for it to be as widely used as possible. So what we are seeing here is a legitimate problem with the meat supply in several countries. Caused by the greed of Big Pharma and others. It's banned in Mexico by the way so why do they have a problem. It's caused by the corruption or lack of will in Mexico. They could stop this in less than a year if they wanted to.

you know him? didn't he knock out the teeth of solis and pretend it was his brother? maybe the meat made him do it. he did better after getting caught doing peds? doesnt that bolster the he did ped argument? the only time we know for sure that he was on peds is before the second fight. we dont know if he did them before the first fight although its probable. those ped gains earned during the off season dont just vanish and he obviously upped his awareness after getting caught He is a partner in a charity that's accused of money laundering. One of his best friends is the biggest pimp in Mexico.

He probably was cheating. - -U proven dummy!

its no use tryg to explain science to americans. americans dont believe in science and according to a recent study 92% of americans believe in an old man in the clouds that listens to their prayers. its the only develop country who still believes on this stupidity. so tryg to explain science to them u might as well talk to the wall.

1200 picograms was Francisco Vargas. But the funny thing was that in Contador’s case there was still a no tolerance policy for Clen, “strict liability,” and Contador was going against various nations wanting him stripped! What others don’t know is that Contador had PED occurrences before his Clen scandal so it as hard to give him benefit of doubt... Also, Clen users in gyms go through a heavy regimen of Clen, and pill dosage ideally increases and then steadily decreases. Yeah for sure the Vargas case wasn't treated in accordence with the policy that exosted then or evn with the slightly looser 1ng/ml unofficial threshold guidelines introduced later. Who knows? Maybe they just thought no-one would give a fuck. TBH this would almost certainly never have attracted the attention it had if it'd been a less high profile fighter than Canelo who popped. And yeah... I did look it up at one point and PED dosing regimes would firstly be considerably higher than the 20mg dose suggested there (though would possibly taper down), and there would be a cumulative effect from daily usage raising the urinary concentration after a few days to something like twice that which would result from a single dose. Also I can't square the figures they've used with the suggested figure of 9ng/ml that Dr Boer or Boem or whoever (the dude on your video clip)said would result peeing after a minimum effective PED dose. As with most of the literature on this matter there's a mass of poorly explained inconsistencies.

Francisco Vargas tested positive for zilpaterol. Which happens to be legal to use on cattle in the US and Canada as well. Pharmaceutical giant Merck created the drug and of course uses it's deep pockets to make sure it gets government approval and pushes for it to be as widely used as possible. So what we are seeing here is a legitimate problem with the meat supply in several countries. Caused by the greed of Big Pharma and others. Big pharma and the politicians who promote their interests or take the coin to look the other way. Mmm. Now this is intersting. Found this on B-agonists: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5510757/ And then I found this, which is one I ain't seen before on Clenbuterol contamination in China: https://www.doping.nl/media/kb/5958/Guddat%20et%20al%202012.pdf The findings are intersting and include some of the observations I've tried to convey in other posts on here. Two thing worth noting are firstly that readings were extremely common even given the small sample size (of mainly visitors to China with a few residents) some 79% tested positive - which ain't massively out of line with the U17 football teams visiting Mexico (over 52% tested positive and 30% of meat samples in the team hotels tested positive) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23559541.. And secondly that the vast majority of positives from presumed meat contamination are considerably lower in concentration (by orders of magnitude) than the thresholds recently set by WADA and the WBC. Now this ain't necessarily bad practice - as I've tried to stress Clenbuterol is eliminated so the urinary concentration will be reduced expontentially over time... in short we can't know how high the concentrations might have been had the subjects been tested immediately after eating the meat, but the Chinese contaminations study does at least give us some figures to work with - even though if I was being really critical I'd be bringing up a number of issues with their methodology. Only few data are available on the urinary excretion ofclenbuterol in humans. Yamamotoet al. investigated thecumulative urinary excretion of clenbuterol after a single doseof 20mg.During thefirst 24 h, a mean cumulative urinaryexcretion of 15.1% was reported. Considering a common dailyurine volume of two litres, a corresponding theoretic urinaryconcentration of 1.5 ng/ml can be calculated. According toliterature the concentrations in meat (muscle) after administrationof typical doses of 20mg/kg clenbuterol to pigs yielded maximum concentrations of 4.4 to 6.1mg/kg.Assuming a consumption of300 g of contaminated meat (muscle), these amounts would resultin an intake of 1.3–1.9mg of clenbuterol, which is approx. one-tenthof a typical therapeutic single dose of 20mg used in man. Based on this data, maximum urinary concentrations are supposed to range between 100 and 150 pg/ml. However, the misuse of clenbutero lfor livestock is not controlled and applied doses are expectedto be much higher, as demonstrated by the large number ofclenbuterol poisonings.The results obtained within thepresent study with maximum concentrations of 50.5pg/ml are difficult to compare, since the amount of clenbuterol ingested was unknown In short the problem is very widespread in at least certain parts of both countries. Just for reference the table 2 included in the study includes a Chinese native who had the highest urinary concentration of 50pg/ml but had the vast majority of subjects pissing under 10pg/ml. The Mexican study yielded urine concentration between 1pg/ml and 1556pg/ml though the 'large majority' (from another source - I ain't paying the $7 for 48hr access to the full text) fell under 200pg/ml though of course since this was a study of athletes (footballers) it's not beyong the realm of possibility that some of these results were in fact the result of PED use rather than contamination. I doubt that's even slightly clarified anything for anyone, but I thought I'd share... to conclude, yes meat contamination is widespread in both Mexico and China but most often would give very substantially lower reading than the 5000pg/ml set by WADA (or indeed the 600-800pg/ml pissed by Canelo) unless you're eating an awful lot of badly contaminated meat frequently or are very unlucky. By contrast a single therapeutic (PED) dose of 20mg (this 20mg figure is actually fairly low I think, higher doses are often used as a PED) could be expected to yield a urinary concentration of 1500pg/ml the next day - or 750pg/ml 36 hours later - on their admittedly rather shaky (to my eye) calculations.

Personally Mexico China and other countries that can't control what is in their meat supply should be banned from international competition. Francisco Vargas tested positive for zilpaterol. Which happens to be legal to use on cattle in the US and Canada as well. Pharmaceutical giant Merck created the drug and of course uses it's deep pockets to make sure it gets government approval and pushes for it to be as widely used as possible. So what we are seeing here is a legitimate problem with the meat supply in several countries. Caused by the greed of Big Pharma and others.

He probably was cheating. Now it seems as if he has nothing to lose and is going a bit gung ho about his career in stepping up divisions, fighting GGG and Kovalev. Throwing caution to the wind but of course with a CW to get advantage.

There should be zero tolerance. Canelo was rightfully punished for it and served his penance. I just believe him when he says it was accidental and he wasn't trying to seek some unfair advantage. And I don't think he deserves to be lumped in with the likes of Big Baby Miller for whom there really is no excuse. That of course is down to the individual... believe him or don't. There isn't proof either way and never will be unless we get some kind of whistleblower or deathbed confession from someone.... and even then, hell, who do you trust?:lol1: Nor is there any real way of even making a guess based on a balance of probabili****** without far more thorough research on both the extent of the contamination problem and the extent of Clenbuterol abuse among boxers in Mexico. I'm one of those dude's whos quite happy leaving Schrödinger's cat in it's box until further information comes to light if it ever does. My interest now is not Canelo, but how the wider issue should be dealt with moving forward in a way that minimises the risk to all fighters who could be effected. EDIT: :lol1: Damn, the autocensor thinks that's how you spell titties, huh? How 'bout that?

At least in the case of Canelo Alvarez. The small amounts found in his system were consistent with meat contamination. And we know that for reasons of greed and profit the Mexican cattle industry is rife with the practice of using steroids with livestock. Additionally, there have been instances of other Mexican athletes running into the same problem. WADA drops clenbuterol case against Mexican soccer players Mexican beef can be a legitimate excuse for clenbuterol in an athlete's blood sample, the World Anti-Doping Agency said https://www.velonews.com/2011/10/news/wada-drops-clenbuterol-case-against-mexican-soccer-players_195167 Based on all that I think Canelo's excuse was reasonable. Do you agree? The dog ate my homeworks is plausable also if the teacher is gullible. Fighters are responsible for what goes into their body. If that means they can't eat meat where they live so be it. Personally Mexico China and other countries that can't control what is in their meat supply should be banned from international competition. That will never happen..

Gennady Golovkin is Mexican? Mexican wanna be, until Canelo whooped it out of him. 😂

List the athletes, when VADA announced their “welcomed enrollment.” Shouldn’t be hard for you just scout top 15. Voluntary doe Gennady Golovkin is one of them..

I wonder which posters choke on Mexican beef every weekend after a few shots.

Tainted Mexican beef can infect you with some roids. So yes it is a plausible excuse, thats why literally anybody who gets caught on is uses that excuse. If it wasnt plausible nobody would use it.