SRL vs Hagler: "No holding Ray"

You CLENelo fans are more dilusional than Broner! Ur boi has highly controversial wins with Lara and Trout (LOL!) Was thoroughly dominated by an older Floyd And had 2 razor close controversial wins against a 35 year old GGG and failed a drug test BUT WOULD SMOKE LEONARD AND HAGLER???? troll or a casual, either way stop posting. Canelo doesn't have 2 wins over Golovkin...he has a gift draw and a gift win

The draw was comical. No way Tommy lost that fight. SRL is unquestionably an ATG and best of his era but you wonder what happens if the Hagler fight and the Hearns rematch are a little sooner and the Duran rematch wasn't so quick. I think these guys are great enough to beat each other perhaps with the obvious style mismatch of Hearns-Duran. Hagler’s getting older is compensated with Leonard’s ring rust. In 82 or 83 Hagler definitely boxes more behind his jab and had sharper reflexes and faster feet. I don’t know if Leonard is able to keep that tactic up for the 15 rounds that it would have been. Leonard-Hearns is a weird one. Hearns has the style and tools to always be better than Leonard in head to head action until getting stopped but also Leonard always has that toughness, stamina, instinct to get through it and hurt Hearns. I would guess a re-match is similar to fight I. I think if fight II was 15 Leonard would have KO’d him since Hearns legs had gone in the 12th. All theory I guess. I think Leonard probably still beats Duran but it’s close enough to warrant a rubber match.

Nothing specific to this particular fight, but holding is a big problem in boxing in my opinion. It's rarely punished and it can severely impact the way a fight plays out, far more so than other fouls (like low blows for example) which are punished. If one guy is an outside fighter and the other guy an inside fighter and everytime the inside fighter gets inside he gets tied up and the situation is reset back to the outside, how is that fair? In-fighting is becoming a lost art because outside fighters are allowed to get away with this too often. Look at Broner-Pacquiao. Every time Pacquiao got close and tried to rattle off some punches, Broner held him for dear life until the referee broke them up. Intentional holding is a foul. I would like to see referees get more strict about this and start giving out warnings early and taking away points if it continues, because some fighters use it specifically as part of their gameplan from the first bell. Look at Khan-Collazo, every time Collazo got close Khan would hold and push his head down. That was terrible refereeing in my opinion.

Hell, imagine if the first Hearns fight was 12 rounds, or if that fight happened 2-3 years later. Hearns was only about, 22? fight against a 25 year old Leonard. Think he had plenty of room to grow at the time. Another good point. I loved the 15 round era and hated the switch to 12 rounds to appeal to TV execs. 15 rounds always separated the great from the very good.

The draw was comical. No way Tommy lost that fight. SRL is unquestionably an ATG and best of his era but you wonder what happens if the Hagler fight and the Hearns rematch are a little sooner and the Duran rematch wasn't so quick. Hell, imagine if the first Hearns fight was 12 rounds, or if that fight happened 2-3 years later. Hearns was only about, 22? fight against a 25 year old Leonard. Think he had plenty of room to grow at the time.

It’s not the travesty of a decision Hagler has made it but it doesn’t feel right still IMO. I think this is the case of a guy “winning the event” which shouldn’t translate as winning the fight. Leonard-Hearns II was a worse decision though. The draw was comical. No way Tommy lost that fight. SRL is unquestionably an ATG and best of his era but you wonder what happens if the Hagler fight and the Hearns rematch are a little sooner and the Duran rematch wasn't so quick.

Just watching this classic fight, and I am amazed how many times Richard Steele tells SRL to stop holding, yet SRL continues to do it every round , every time Hagler gets on the inside. yet Steele does very little about it. Hagler got robbed Robbed? What's a robbery? Surely not a 115-113 fight. This leads me to ask what rounds you had Hagler winning since you call it a robbery?

I agree. Hagler got robbed. Leonard was the media darling and he was the one they wanted to win and Steele helped Leonard. He never stopped saying "No holding Ray" but never did anything about it.

This fight is painful because Hagler is my all time favorite and I LOATHE SRL. I don’t have a problem with 115-113 either way but the 118-110 score is one of the worst cards I ever saw in my life. The reality of the sport is the crowd favorite and cash cow always gets the benefit of the doubt in these event super fights. It’s not the travesty of a decision Hagler has made it but it doesn’t feel right still IMO. I think this is the case of a guy “winning the event” which shouldn’t translate as winning the fight. Leonard-Hearns II was a worse decision though.

nah, he was a bum...he never “moved up” doe. I remember that idiot Mirko/Lester tutor or one of his aliases claiming Hagler ducked 168 before it even excised LOL.

This fight is painful because Hagler is my all time favorite and I LOATHE SRL. I don’t have a problem with 115-113 either way but the 118-110 score is one of the worst cards I ever saw in my life. The reality of the sport is the crowd favorite and cash cow always gets the benefit of the doubt in these event super fights.

Leonard won this, get over it.

I just watched it and never saw it before I had it a draw. It was a very even fight imo.

Just watching this classic fight, and I am amazed how many times Richard Steele tells SRL to stop holding, yet SRL continues to do it every round , every time Hagler gets on the inside. yet Steele does very little about it. Hagler got robbed I’ve rewatched it many times and generally I score it 115-113 Hagler but I can understand how SRL stole many rounds and got a decision. A true super fight, a controversial decision but not a robbery though by a any means. 115-113 either way is fine IMO, the Mexican judges (name was Guerra or something) card of 118-110 was disgraceful though.

The holding was one part of SRL's game I didn't like.

Only boxing dummies like you don't like Hagler. Hagler was a great champion. Sugar Ray was good but he was the hyped up pretty boy that casuals like you just love. Hagler won by a point or two and you can't score a fight worth a damn. You are just a 63 year old baby who loves kiddy cartoons like dancing chickens and rolling heads nah, he was a bum...he never “moved up” doe.

Only boxing dummies like you don't like Hagler. Hagler was a great champion. Sugar Ray was good but he was the hyped up pretty boy that casuals like you just love. Hagler won by a point or two and you can't score a fight worth a damn. You are just a 63 year old baby who loves kiddy cartoons like dancing chickens and rolling heads McDonald’s has never seen Hagler or Leonard fight. He’s never even heard of Monzon and Napoles too for example. I’d pay him no attention since he confirmed he only started watching 5 years ago and only watches 4 fighters. I personally feel Hagler won but it was closer than it should have been but not enough to take the title IMO. The decision went to the draw as is often the case. Both great fighters. Hagler a top 3/4 all-time Middleweight, same for Leonard at Welterweight. Canelo would have no chance at 160 against Hagler, Monzon, Tiger, Robinson, Rodriguez, Hopkins, Griffith, Hearns, Benvenuti, Jones, McCallum, Toney probably even non “greats” like Nunn, Kalambay, Benton etc; just to make a few modern day standouts. I wouldn’t give even a prime GGG much of a shot against those either.

Just watching this classic fight, and I am amazed how many times Richard Steele tells SRL to stop holding, yet SRL continues to do it every round , every time Hagler gets on the inside. yet Steele does very little about it. Hagler got robbed I agree. Hagler got robbed. Leonard was the media darling and he was the one they wanted to win and Steele helped Leonard.

Only casuals and hagler fans think he got robbed. SRL won 8-4Only boxing dummies like you don't like Hagler. Hagler was a great champion. Sugar Ray was good but he was the hyped up pretty boy that casuals like you just love. Hagler won by a point or two and you can't score a fight worth a damn. You are just a 63 year old baby who loves kiddy cartoons like dancing chickens and rolling heads

Canelo would smoke these fools :lol1:Then GGG would smoke them too since he beat Canelo twice in the opinion of the majority of viewers.