Oscar De La Hoya was hugely overrated

If anything what hurts his legacy is he was in too many tough fights, went up and down too many weight classes, took on too many top elite guys. You do that you will be in close fights you will catch some L's. It was a gift and curse it made him massively popular and rich but gives fuel to this new era where you are celebrated more for having NO losses then you are for beating top guys. GGG has only 1 official loss but doesn't even have any wins better then Oscar's B side wins let alone his top wins. But idiots complain Oscar has 6 losses on his resume. No shyt the man fought a guy like Bernard Hopkins at 160 when he turned pro 5 weight classes below that and fought in the Olympics at 132 lbs. Meanwhile GGG fought in the Olympics at Middleweight turned pro at Middleweight and never fought a single fighter above 160. Imagine the L's GGG racks up if he moves up 2-3 weight classes hell he was shook of catching L's 1 weight class up so he ducked Ward. Today it's about protecting records and fighting the least competition you can to stay undefeated and inflate your wins and limit opportunity for losses. That effects how folks look at Oscar's career especially from newbies who never saw him fight. In past era's this doesn't matter hell Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali are argued by fans as who was the greatest of all time and Ali had 5 official losses and Robinson has double digit losses but they are judged by their quality of their wins. Today careers are built to avoid challenges and preserve your record instead of building resumes with quality wins.Spot on! Good post!

Then what does that make Crawford and Spence because im sure he beats Crawford at 135, 140, and 147. And he beats Spence at 147 and 154.I am not sure of what you are getting at but I never once declared those fighters great. Perhaps you did but I didn't. In addition, at the moment they are both good fighters but I won't consider them all-time greats.

I thought he beat Mosley in both fights if I remember correctly. And that was ped up Mosley.

Change my mind? Always came up short against legitimate world level compeititors and got his ass beat 6 times. When you take into account his many gift decisions his L's would be double figures. His biggest achievement was sharing a ring with TBE. Boxing is a total package sport. Oscar got shots and gifts here and there based on his earning potential. The earning potential is based on looks and star power, charisma, other variables; if a boxer can do decently with his hands but has good star power, you can do alright that way, just have to choose fights wisely. The general public prefers to see lighter skinned fighters because they are the minority in the sport. It is what it is. So if you're dark, come with more charisma than Wilder

End of thread here. No matter how you score the fight vs. Floyd, it was close. If past his prime Oscar was close to prime Floyd, there's no way in bloody hell you can argue that he was overrated. Can you imagine a young, athletically gifted Oscar up Floyd's ass for 12 rounds? No question about it. Oscar would win a unanimous decision.

He wasn't overrated even then, just popular and a crossover star. But that shouldn't come into consideration when it comes to the boxing fraternity and hard-core fans. As far as the rest, i agree with you. Oscar would never be the best fighter in the world, but he wouldnt be over his head against anyone in history from 135-147. He was a hell of a fighter with an ATG chin and left hand If anything what hurts his legacy is he was in too many tough fights, went up and down too many weight classes, took on too many top elite guys. You do that you will be in close fights you will catch some L's. It was a gift and curse it made him massively popular and rich but gives fuel to this new era where you are celebrated more for having NO losses then you are for beating top guys. GGG has only 1 official loss but doesn't even have any wins better then Oscar's B side wins let alone his top wins. But idiots complain Oscar has 6 losses on his resume. No shyt the man fought a guy like Bernard Hopkins at 160 when he turned pro 5 weight classes below that and fought in the Olympics at 132 lbs. Meanwhile GGG fought in the Olympics at Middleweight turned pro at Middleweight and never fought a single fighter above 160. Imagine the L's GGG racks up if he moves up 2-3 weight classes hell he was shook of catching L's 1 weight class up so he ducked Ward. Today it's about protecting records and fighting the least competition you can to stay undefeated and inflate your wins and limit opportunity for losses. That effects how folks look at Oscar's career especially from newbies who never saw him fight. In past era's this doesn't matter hell Sugar Ray Robinson and Ali are argued by fans as who was the greatest of all time and Ali had 5 official losses and Robinson has double digit losses but they are judged by their quality of their wins. Today careers are built to avoid challenges and preserve your record instead of building resumes with quality wins.

Bullshyt Oscar was the man, he literally fought everyone. Dude fought 3 p4p #1 fighters in Hopkins, Floyd, manny Vargas Pernell Tito Shane twice Chavez Ike Gatti Ruales Camacho Sturm Oscar fought everybody moved up and down and weight taking every huge fight the fans were calling for. Titles is 6 different weight classes, became lineal champ in 3 different weight classes. You got folks trying to rewrite history just to try and scrap the bottom of the barrel to find fighters to claim he ducked and even when they try the time lines don't match reality. For example he fought something crazy like 25 world champs, over a dozen of those guys were on top p4p lists, and at least 10 are already in the HOF or locks to get in when eligible. Now compare that to a guy like GGG who is pushing 40 and has only fought 4 world champs his entire career and only 1 HOFer and refused to ever move weight classes stayed at 160 and STILL never became lineal champ in that 1 weight. Oscar did that 3 phuking times. What you think Oscar's record would look like if he camped out in 1 weight class and fought nothing but bums? Ducked big punchers, or ducked southpaws, ducked defensive specialists. There are fighters today who duck 1 style or another that their team feels will make that fighter look bad. Oscar was in 1 massive blockbuster elite showdown after another spanning 2 decades taking on every fighting style possible.

No man. De La Hoya might have been overrated when he was fighting in his prime, but takes so much sht nowadays that he doesn't get the credit he deserves. He says a lot of stupid sht as a promoter these days, but he was damn good fighter back in his day. He wasn't overrated even then, just popular and a crossover star. But that shouldn't come into consideration when it comes to the boxing fraternity and hard-core fans. As far as the rest, i agree with you. Oscar would never be the best fighter in the world, but he wouldnt be over his head against anyone in history from 135-147. He was a hell of a fighter with an ATG chin and left hand

The three best wins on Ole' Fishnets' resume are old man Chavez, coked up Whitaker and Trinidad KO victim Fernando Vargas. Ducked Tszyu Ducked the Trinidad rematch Ducked Vernon Forrest Ducked Winky Wright good lord what horse shyt. lol You do realize the only moment Tszyu was ever mentioned with Oscar he immediately got upset and knocked out by Vince Phillips? That KO loss not only took him out the running for a Oscar fight but totally derailed his career and it took him ALMOST 3 years to rebuild and become world champ again. Oscar moved to 140 fought Chavez who was the main guy at the time lineal champ, still fringe top 10 p4p fighter, HOFer and the biggest money fight at 140. Then fought undefeated world champ Gonzalez fringe top P4P guy at the time. Then moved up and fought Whitaker the lineal champ at 147, number 1 P4P fighter in the world. Not a person on the planet was asking for Oscar to fight Tszyu over the Chavez or Whikater fights not before and definitely not after he got KO'd by Phillips. Tszyu would of gotten smashed by Oscar but took himself out the running by getting knocked out he went on his second championship run at 140 starting in 2000 but by then Oscar had just 1 fight left at 147 and fought the rest of his career at 154 or higher. Saying he ducked Tszyu is hilarious. Winky Wright? You mean the guy who was offered a career high 6M contract to fight Oscar and turned it down? lol https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=358622 You got it backwards Tito ducked the rematch not 1 but 3 times he was offered a career payday and turned it down. 1 time demanding that he be paid MORE money then Oscar. He went on taking less money for different fights he's also dead broke right now and probably wishes he took that money and fought Oscar but he knew he lost the first fight and had no chance of beating Oscar in a rematch. Vernon Forrest? By the time he broke through was when he beat Shane Mosley. After the rematch with Mosley everyone was saying he should move up to 154 and challenge Oscar. He decided instead to stay at 147 for 1 more fight and got upset and KOd by Mayorga then lost the rematch to Mayorga. He took 2 years off from boxing and didn't return to boxing until 2005 by then Oscar is fighting Hopkins at 160 and goes into retirement. By the time Forest is ever world champ again it's 2007 and Oscar is fighting Floyd number 1 p4p fighter in the world. While Forrest is getting upset by Sergio Mora. He wins the rematch with Mora and dies tragically right after that. Getting knocked out by Mayorga took him out the running of a fight with Oscar. By the time he came back Oscar was fighting Hopkins and Floyd much tougher fights so when did he duck Forrest?

Bullshyt Oscar was the man, he literally fought everyone. Dude fought 3 p4p #1 fighters in Hopkins, Floyd, manny Vargas Pernell Tito Shane twice Chavez Ike Gatti Ruales Camacho Sturm

if a past prime oscar who beat floyd is overrated then floyd must be extremely overrated. lmao. I have to agree with this. You could make an argument that Oscar beat Floyd. Now, just imagine with a prime Oscar would've done to Floyd. It would basically be Pernelle vs Oscar all over again.

Oscar De La Hoya was a good fighter but not a great fighter. He won titles in six different weight divisions with many notable names on his resume. Overall, he was a Hall of fame fighter but not an all-time great fighter. Then what does that make Crawford and Spence because im sure he beats Crawford at 135, 140, and 147. And he beats Spence at 147 and 154.

Oscar would be undefeated too had he cherry picked green, past prime, weight etc... like Floyd did, hell any boxer for that matter.

No man. De La Hoya might have been overrated when he was fighting in his prime, but takes so much sht nowadays that he doesn't get the credit he deserves. He says a lot of stupid sht as a promoter these days, but he was damn good fighter back in his day.

I'm not claiming that Oscar was robbed, I could see how you scored that fight in favor of Floyd but I think Oscar won enough rounds. Clearly it was a close fight and definitely shows how great of a fighter Oscar was and that's what this thread is about....whether or not he was overrated. Do you know much about how the fight was negotiated?

You are who you beat. Lets put every fighter up to those standards. Leon Spinks likes that theory.

Oscar was a good fighter but i wouldn't put him as an ATG. Controversial decisions followed him throughout his career. In my opinion, Sweet Pea should have at worst, gotten a draw. I feel he won, but judges thought differently. He also beat my favorite fighter of all time in Trinidad. The judges screwed him. Quartey was a close fight. I have no problem with that decision. The fight no one mentions is Felix Sturm. I felt Sturm got robbed almost as bad as Sweet Pea did vs JCC. Oscar looked defeated to me. I'm not sure why people think he was robbed vs floyd, but i felt he lost that fight easily. Mosley II could have gone to either fighter, i had oscar winning myself. In my opinion, he's below Floyd, Whitaker, Hopkins, Manny. Above Camacho, Vargas, Yory Boy, Quartey. Him, Trinidad and Mosley are about even. A HOF Fighter for sure, but a bit overrated. Would have loved to see him fight Forrest and Winky

If one is calling ODLH's resume overrated, that doesn't bode well for MANY FIGHTERS. Not his resume. But he is overrated because he is held in higher esteem than he deserves. He was great. He was also given a big head start. But overrated some. He was great.

How can anyone take you seriously when you have gay as s soccer players in your avatar and sig. Oscar beat Gayweather's black ass. Straightener?

I was his biggest hater but this thread is stupidest in history. Lejia, Ruelas, Quartey, Whitaker, Mayorga, Chavez, Camacho, Gatti And should’ve gotten the nod against Trinidad and Mosely. The mans a legend.