GGG resume

The prime jacobs win is better than pretty much any win canelo or any mw has had.

--- Golovkin offered to fight Son of Gollum at 164, and TUE 50-0 at 154. Mucho mas mejor AMA than those light in the loafers, LOL, but their ducking silence was golden. Get back when you pass boxing 101... get back to hmi when Golovkin wins 1 elite bout in his own division to wards 5 in 2 divisions.

LMAO At using Amateur Accolades. GGG is a good fighter, buts his resume is terrible. I wish he fight Andre Ward. Ward would have embarrass him. Ward is the better boxer, and has a superior resume than Golovkin. --- Golovkin offered to fight Son of Gollum at 164, and TUE 50-0 at 154. Mucho mas mejor AMA than those light in the loafers, LOL, but their ducking silence was golden. Get back when you pass boxing 101...

Canelo is his daddy

He was avoided. Canelo in the second fight is the only boxer to give him a battering. He wasn't avoided, the division is just horrible, one of the worst. It's his fault for not challenging himself by moving up. Instead, he takes fights with WWs/JMW's.

Its so amazing to see, that everyone in this forum who has some common sense and can articulate himself and is an actual boxing fan (not the tribalists, the haters, the obvious trolls or some poor manipulated retards) ranks GGG highly. Context matters, but theres a huge amount of shallow people who arent even able to think for themselves and just parrot idiotic propaganda since it suits their agenda. For some people the world is black or white, they cant differentiate, they are incapable to comprehend certain occurrences and put them into perspective. Call it selective perception, pure ignorance or just imbecility. Why do the haters think that basically all the boxing experts out there acknowledge GGGs legacy and rank him highly? Why do you think GGG was and still is a top P4P fighter even at his advances age? GGG was one of the best amateurs in history, boxers in Kazakhstan usually didnt turn pro, they arent even given the chance. GGG came up the hard way. GGG was world champion at 140, 147, 154 and 160 in the amateurs before turning pro at age 25 and then his german promoter ruined his early career, when he was given the chance he was avoided like the plague when he was in his prime (Canelo dropped his belt and waited him out till GGG was 35+, other fighters like Sturm, Martinez, Froch, Cotto, Quillin, Lee, Abraham and others outright avioded him) and GGG still unified the MW division, fought the best available opponents and had the highest ko % in MW championship history and tied the record of most MW title defenses. Why do you think GGG has way more fans, even in the US than 99% of the US american fighters? Why do people dislike GGG and make these embarrassing threads? Hate and envy. Envy is the sincerest form of recognition. Hatred is an admission of inferiority. LMAO At using Amateur Accolades. GGG is a good fighter, buts his resume is terrible. I wish he fight Andre Ward. Ward would have embarrass him. Ward is the better boxer, and has a superior resume than Golovkin.

Its so amazing to see, that everyone in this forum who has some common sense and can articulate himself and is an actual boxing fan (not the tribalists, the haters, the obvious trolls or some poor manipulated retards) ranks GGG highly. Context matters, but theres a huge amount of shallow people who arent even able to think for themselves and just parrot idiotic propaganda since it suits their agenda. For some people the world is black or white, they cant differentiate, they are incapable to comprehend certain occurrences and put them into perspective. Call it selective perception, pure ignorance or just imbecility. Why do the haters think that basically all the boxing experts out there acknowledge GGGs legacy and rank him highly? Why do you think GGG was and still is a top P4P fighter even at his advances age? GGG was one of the best amateurs in history, boxers in Kazakhstan usually didnt turn pro, they arent even given the chance. GGG came up the hard way. GGG was world champion at 140, 147, 154 and 160 in the amateurs before turning pro at age 25 and then his german promoter ruined his early career, when he was given the chance he was avoided like the plague when he was in his prime (Canelo dropped his belt and waited him out till GGG was 35+, other fighters like Sturm, Martinez, Froch, Cotto, Quillin, Lee, Abraham and others outright avioded him) and GGG still unified the MW division, fought the best available opponents and had the highest ko % in MW championship history and tied the record of most MW title defenses. Why do you think GGG has way more fans, even in the US than 99% of the US american fighters? Why do people dislike GGG and make these embarrassing threads? Hate and envy. Envy is the sincerest form of recognition. Hatred is an admission of inferiority.

Sometimes age isn't that big of a factor. Add in the knee injury and it's a wrap. He knew it was over and wanted one last payday and Cotto was it. Damn shame. Sergio and Cotto are faves of mine and didn't want to see them ever fight. There will always be a top 10 list. Wont mean those top 10 are any good, hence a div being weak. GGG's top 10 cant compare to, say, Toney's top 10. Can't argue any of that... both Cotto and Maravilla were faves of mine too, but both deserved final paydays - especially Sergio who rose to prominence too late to get major paydays over most of his career. And hell nah, ain't gonna try to argue that Golovkin had some great resume, merely that it ain't the trash and 'bums' that some folk would have it. Annoys me when folk use those kind of terms about any fighter, yet alone top 10 guys in even a weaker division. Ha ha - nearly launched into an involved essay about the problems involved in comparing divisions across time... but I'll save that ish for another day.:lol1:

I know, man. I keep telling myself that and start off with short pithy reply then before I know it I've ended up writing a fkn essay.:lol1: Gotta start using ignore a bit more... Haha it's hard not to keep writing when you see how dumb their replies get. But I just look it at that more than likely they don't have the capacity to have a reasonable discussion. They're too dumb to write anything worthwhile and just smart enough to use almost complete sentences.

Don't waste your time anymore man. They're going to think what they want, even though how much has been presented to the contrary. I know, man. I keep telling myself that and start off with short pithy reply then before I know it I've ended up writing a fkn essay.:lol1: Gotta start using ignore a bit more...

Every fighter's playing the risk reward game, man. In the main younger fighters are willing to take more risks, more established fighters, fewer risks.. though not always of course. The discussion I was having above refers to the earlier part of his career - upto say mid 2014, early 2015, when he was still climbing the ladder but before the risk he represented justified the relatively low purses his opponents could expect. In short, before he was the guy with a target on his back. After that time certainly there's things he could have done differently - there's some I've mentioned myself in other discussions, though without full information of what the exact circumstances were I'd hesitate to second guess the decisions he made. Probably he might have thought to offer to meet Cotto at a catchweight in 2015. I seriously doubt that fight was going to happen anyway since the WBC had been angling towards the Cotto - Canelo fight since 2013, but it would at the very least have been a good PR move on GGGs part if he believed he could safely make the weight (if he didn't then hell, I ain't in favour of fighters compromising their safety to make fights in any circumstances). If you're Cotto why in hell would you want to fight Golovkin when you got the Canelo fight lined up? If you're Martinez why the hell would you fight Golovkin when the Cotto fight is lined up? Probably he should have offered to make the same offer to Canelo in 2016, again, my belief is that that fight ultimately happened exactly when Canelo chose it to (and also there were some hints that Golovkin was willing to compromise on weight in negotiations despite the defiant public stance), but we will never know now, and perhaps it could have happened a year earlier had Golovkin been bolder (though I think he would have been a fool to go below 157 in any circumstances). Course - neither weight nor money were the final reasons Oscar and GBP gave for ceasing negotiations in 2016 so the point is moot. Should he have fought Ward potentially putting the Canelo / Cotto fight (to which he was mandated) at risk? Well it would have been a hell of a ballsy move but there would have been a big upside potentially. They took the more conservative route and honestly I find it hard to see why anyone would blame 'em under normal circumstances... if you were managing him what would you have done? The main issue comes with the fact that he had previously claimed he was willing to fight Ward, which made him an obvious target for ridicule when the offer came in and he didn't accept. Thing is for me I ain't gonna judge a fighter by what they say they're gonna do, but by what I'd expect other fighters to do in normal circumstances. I don't call any other fighters shit like 'hypejobs' anyway, so I'm hardly going to say it about one of my favourite fighters, especially when I would expect other fighters to do the things folk seem to be criticising GGG for... Mikey's to be applauded for going to 147 for instance (even if I think he's nuts), but I wouldn't say Regis or Taylor were hypejobs for not going up to 147 to fight top P4Per Bud, or that they're hypejobs for not offering to go down to 136 to fight Loma. Anyways, man. I'm done... if you're in the business of calling top pro fighters hypejobs then you probably want to be having this conversation with the other dudes who use similar terminology, cos the whole things subjective anyway the way I see it. Hyperbole is hyperbole - whether it's 'too much hyperbole' is a fool's question. That ain't what I'm about though you'll find plenty here who are. Tell you what though -if you're up for it I'd be interested to hear your take. It'll be a few words but try to give me an honest version of just how exactly you would have managed Golovkin's carrier from 2014 based on as many factors as you can figure in - his age, how good you think he is, what we know of his earning power (mr 97k) and so on. Try playing devil's advocate.. see how it'd turn out. Might be an interesting exercise. Don't waste your time anymore man. They're going to think what they want, even though how much has been presented to the contrary.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/9299275/c134.gif Ggg taking a few blows here. But Ggg beat Nell twice also

You are saying ggg was a victim of only time and circumstances? Ggg also had a ton of free will to COMPROMISE but he never dared to be great. He wanted status quo which is why there are threads dedicated to debating if he's a all time hypejob. If ggg fought the big fights by compromising (weight/money/etc) he could have moved up faster. I respect that he wanted to or had to do it his own way but you can't deny he didn't compromise. Every fighter's playing the risk reward game, man. In the main younger fighters are willing to take more risks, more established fighters, fewer risks.. though not always of course. The discussion I was having above refers to the earlier part of his career - upto say mid 2014, early 2015, when he was still climbing the ladder but before the risk he represented justified the relatively low purses his opponents could expect. In short, before he was the guy with a target on his back. After that time certainly there's things he could have done differently - there's some I've mentioned myself in other discussions, though without full information of what the exact circumstances were I'd hesitate to second guess the decisions he made. Probably he might have thought to offer to meet Cotto at a catchweight in 2015. I seriously doubt that fight was going to happen anyway since the WBC had been angling towards the Cotto - Canelo fight since 2013, but it would at the very least have been a good PR move on GGGs part if he believed he could safely make the weight (if he didn't then hell, I ain't in favour of fighters compromising their safety to make fights in any circumstances). If you're Cotto why in hell would you want to fight Golovkin when you got the Canelo fight lined up? If you're Martinez why the hell would you fight Golovkin when the Cotto fight is lined up? Probably he should have offered to make the same offer to Canelo in 2016, again, my belief is that that fight ultimately happened exactly when Canelo chose it to (and also there were some hints that Golovkin was willing to compromise on weight in negotiations despite the defiant public stance), but we will never know now, and perhaps it could have happened a year earlier had Golovkin been bolder (though I think he would have been a fool to go below 157 in any circumstances). Course - neither weight nor money were the final reasons Oscar and GBP gave for ceasing negotiations in 2016 so the point is moot. Should he have fought Ward potentially putting the Canelo / Cotto fight (to which he was mandated) at risk? Well it would have been a hell of a ballsy move but there would have been a big upside potentially. They took the more conservative route and honestly I find it hard to see why anyone would blame 'em under normal circumstances... if you were managing him what would you have done? The main issue comes with the fact that he had previously claimed he was willing to fight Ward, which made him an obvious target for ridicule when the offer came in and he didn't accept. Thing is for me I ain't gonna judge a fighter by what they say they're gonna do, but by what I'd expect other fighters to do in normal circumstances. I don't call any other fighters shit like 'hypejobs' anyway, so I'm hardly going to say it about one of my favourite fighters, especially when I would expect other fighters to do the things folk seem to be criticising GGG for... Mikey's to be applauded for going to 147 for instance (even if I think he's nuts), but I wouldn't say Regis or Taylor were hypejobs for not going up to 147 to fight top P4Per Bud, or that they're hypejobs for not offering to go down to 136 to fight Loma. Anyways, man. I'm done... if you're in the business of calling top pro fighters hypejobs then you probably want to be having this conversation with the other dudes who use similar terminology, cos the whole things subjective anyway the way I see it. Hyperbole is hyperbole - whether it's 'too much hyperbole' is a fool's question. That ain't what I'm about though you'll find plenty here who are. Tell you what though -if you're up for it I'd be interested to hear your take. It'll be a few words but try to give me an honest version of just how exactly you would have managed Golovkin's carrier from 2014 based on as many factors as you can figure in - his age, how good you think he is, what we know of his earning power (mr 97k) and so on. Try playing devil's advocate.. see how it'd turn out. Might be an interesting exercise.

to be fair, Lemieux is also Billy Joe Saunders best win, so its on par with the other ex-champ of the division. Lem was still a champ, a world class scalp, just not real proof of being elite that G fans think he is.

--- So says your weak ass. Golovkin will be seen as a top 10 middle dominating his era like no other until Canelo. Just check boxrec and ring rankings, but please do wash those soiled hands first, c'mon now!!! I get it bro. He excites you. That's awesome! Still, his resume is piss poor. It's easy to dominate nobodies in terms of world class boxers. It's a shame when Lemieux is one of your best wins. Boxrec, Ring rankings? How about admitting that Wade, Lemieux, Rosado, Monroe, Rubio, Ishida, Adama and Brook aint nothing to jump up and down about as victories in the MW division. The Murray win wasn't bad. Jacobs was a great win. Albeit close and a bit controversial. Either way, put the pom poms down

He has a really weak ass resume --- So says your weak ass. Golovkin will be seen as a top 10 middle dominating his era like no other until Canelo. Just check boxrec and ring rankings, but please do wash those soiled hands first, c'mon now!!!

Just in case you misunderstood. yeh sure he fought 10 defences for a worthless title because "he gotta make a living" i am sure he so hardup that he couldnt chase the recognised titles which would earn him more money. you make no sense, good thing you went west.

He defended his 'crap' title 10 times because there were no better fight available to him and because that 'crap' title was the only leverage he had to make any fights at all. You wanna make a living as a pro boxer man, you gotta fight even if they ain't the fights you'd choose... you do understand that, surely. Anyways, man. You ain't coming up with any useful arguments just the same old logical fallacies backed up with unprovable assumptions. You ain't even answering my question which would at least allow us to have a reasoned discussion about the specific fights involved on a point by point basis. I'm done wasting time with you. Bye. You are saying ggg was a victim of only time and circumstances? Ggg also had a ton of free will to COMPROMISE but he never dared to be great. He wanted status quo which is why there are threads dedicated to debating if he's a all time hypejob. If ggg fought the big fights by compromising (weight/money/etc) he could have moved up faster. I respect that he wanted to or had to do it his own way but you can't deny he didn't compromise.

He has a really weak ass resume

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