He is, it's Magadan, pretty depressing cold area
Golovkin was another fighter who was forced to change his style, at least judging by his amateur style and made me surprised when he decided to get on the back foot in the second Canelo fight. Reminded me of his amateur days
Sillakh is another good amateur fighter with a chin that isn't designed for a pro game. Chahkiev too.
The thing is, we don't have to agree with scorecards but we have to accept them. And boxing fans refuse to accept them at all. Doesn't matter if it's two 120-108 cards in Shafikov/Easter close fight. Or Gvozdyk/Stevenson scorecards before the stoppage that made you think it was Mayweather-esque type of schooling of Gvozdyk.
A real champ, real fighter should go in the fight with the thought he's already down 3-4 rounds. Like Lomachenko was beating Pedraza in 11th round like he was losing the fight. Korobov doesn't have that mentality
Korobov was prepared for an easy eight rounder on this card against a scrub, not a hard 12 round battle. He wasn't prepared to do more lol. If it was an eight rounder he would have won period. How can you judge a man of that ? He was outboxing him clearly early in the fight
People thought Korobov was done because of what Lee did to him. Some even said that Korobov is a step down from Monroe. All of these opinions confused me but I didn't think anything of it and didn't even bother commenting on those negative threads. I knew in my head that Korobov is way ahead of Monroe and the replacement fight was actually a lot better and both fighters were prepared and in fighting shape. I just enjoyed the fight from work (prison), with a bunch of inmate boxing fans :lol1:
Explain that to me
The 119-108 score was terrible. Hazzard should be fired.
Charlo didn’t impress on the big stage. Imo he won because he won the last 2 rounds. I had fight even in the rbr thread after 10.
He won a tougher than expected fight after just watching his twin get a horrible decision. Combine that with korobov being a replacement that was much better than the original opponent and you got what we got Saturday night.
Charlo didn’t get exposed but he didn’t match the hype from Fox, neither brother did. The posters saying he got exposed like dramashow are posting that to get back at people they think are charlo fans that posted Loma and ggg got exposed in their last fights.
He is, it's Magadan, pretty depressing cold area
Golovkin was another fighter who was forced to change his style, at least judging by his amateur style and made me surprised when he decided to get on the back foot in the second Canelo fight. Reminded me of his amateur days
Sillakh is another good amateur fighter with a chin that isn't designed for a pro game. Chahkiev too.
The thing is, we don't have to agree with scorecards but we have to accept them. And boxing fans refuse to accept them at all. Doesn't matter if it's two 120-108 cards in Shafikov/Easter close fight. Or Gvozdyk/Stevenson scorecards before the stoppage that made you think it was Mayweather-esque type of schooling of Gvozdyk.
A real champ, real fighter should go in the fight with the thought he's already down 3-4 rounds. Like Lomachenko was beating Pedraza in 11th round like he was losing the fight. Korobov doesn't have that mentality
I don't know, man. Obviously we have to accept the official result in terms of how it effects the fighters career going forward, whether they retain titles or challenger status, whatever. In terms of how we personally evaluate a fighter though only our own individual observations (or those of people whose insight we value) should matter. We know judges get or wrong for a variety of reasons and for non-official purposes we shouldn't be tied to their rulings.
Could Matvey have tried harder? Hell. I don't know... ain't gonna judge a man until I been in his shoes. I know he was tired by the later rounds - for all I know it was only will keeping him on his feet. Maybe there was nothing left to give?
Doesnt every boxer have bad performances at one point? The best thing that they should getout of it is to grow and learn from their mistakes.
Dont know what people would have said after mayweathers performance against augustus. He would probably be called a hypejob.
Golovkin looked bad against ouma, canelo was hurt bad against cottos brother. Jacobs was knocked down against mora lol.
Fury was knocked down by cunningham, looked out of shape, fat and sloppy early in his career.
I agree every fighter can have a bad day, but there's only one fighter who has some consistency. Broner. Always showing the same average level of performances.
Doesnt every boxer have bad performances at one point? The best thing that they should getout of it is to grow and learn from their mistakes.
Dont know what people would have said after mayweathers performance against augustus. He would probably be called a hypejob.
Golovkin looked bad against ouma, canelo was hurt bad against cottos brother. Jacobs was knocked down against mora lol.
Fury was knocked down by cunningham, looked out of shape, fat and sloppy early in his career.
He's a far East dude too isn't he originally? Orotukan (is that 49 Region - bit North of you if I got that right) if Wiki got it right.
Yeah. Dude always looked kinda stiff as a pro and for years there were rumours of some kind of unspecified 'mental' problem that was causing issues. This was clarified a bit a few months back (I'll try to dig out a link) - seems that Matvey was maybe suffering bad nerves or anxiety that was causing him to fight tight and run his stamina down. I also think he was maybe under some pressure to produce KOs - whether from Arum or from himself, especially after Golovkin came on the scene, which led at times to him trying too hard and adversely effecting his performance.
And damn - that chin.. pretty much every time he's been in with a puncher (Lee, Edwards, Charlo) he's got caught up in something he needn't have and his legs just turn to jelly. On this occasion it was fatigue I think, against Lee it was getting caught in an exchange and against Edwards he got carried away looking for the quick finish.
He is, it's Magadan, pretty depressing cold area
Golovkin was another fighter who was forced to change his style, at least judging by his amateur style and made me surprised when he decided to get on the back foot in the second Canelo fight. Reminded me of his amateur days
Sillakh is another good amateur fighter with a chin that isn't designed for a pro game. Chahkiev too.
Because all the fans saw a fight that could've gone either way ..the majority of the people on here actually had Korobov winning. This was supposed to be a tune up for Jermall vs a fighter who had to drain himself down to 160 in a couple of days and had only fought six rounds in 2 years. He was supposed to KO him in a few rounds, instead he arguably lost the fight. And that 119-108 scorecard is one of the worst ones I've ever heard ...it's up there with 114-114 Mayweather-Canelo and 118-110 GGG-Canelo
The thing is, we don't have to agree with scorecards but we have to accept them. And boxing fans refuse to accept them at all. Doesn't matter if it's two 120-108 cards in Shafikov/Easter close fight. Or Gvozdyk/Stevenson scorecards before the stoppage that made you think it was Mayweather-esque type of schooling of Gvozdyk.
A real champ, real fighter should go in the fight with the thought he's already down 3-4 rounds. Like Lomachenko was beating Pedraza in 11th round like he was losing the fight. Korobov doesn't have that mentality
Because all the fans saw a fight that could've gone either way ..the majority of the people on here actually had Korobov winning. This was supposed to be a tune up for Jermall vs a fighter who had to drain himself down to 160 in a couple of days and had only fought six rounds in 2 years. He was supposed to KO him in a few rounds, instead he arguably lost the fight. And that 119-108 scorecard is one of the worst ones I've ever heard ...it's up there with 114-114 Mayweather-Canelo and 118-110 GGG-Canelo
Korobov was a highly decorated amateur. It would be much better if he had enough will to take second half of his fights as convincingly as he's doing it in the first half....But for some reason he always looks unmotivated, like he lose his concentration in the endHe's a far East dude too isn't he originally? Orotukan (is that 49 Region - bit North of you if I got that right... though I can't actually fathom the regional numbering system) if Wiki got it right.
Yeah. Dude always looked kinda stiff as a pro and for years there were rumours of some kind of unspecified 'mental' problem that was causing issues. This was clarified a bit a few months back (I'll try to dig out a link) - seems that Matvey was maybe suffering bad nerves or anxiety that was causing him to fight tight and run his stamina down. I also think he was maybe under some pressure to produce KOs - whether from Arum or from himself, especially after Golovkin came on the scene, which led at times to him trying too hard and adversely effecting his performance.
And damn - that chin.. pretty much every time he's been in with a puncher (Lee, Edwards, Charlo) he's got caught up in something he needn't have and his legs just turn to jelly. On this occasion it was fatigue I think, against Lee it was getting caught in an exchange and against Edwards he got carried away looking for the quick finish.
Ach.. you know how NSB is. Ain't really about Jermall it's about folk on here wanting to rub people's faces in it for saying Jermall was better than he is. Probably reciprocation for shade they threw on another fighter - this place is like a schoolyard sometimes.
Thing is he did just fine in my book (I had it a draw on a morning after once over, though I didn't actually do a full scorecard), came through adversity against a truly skilled opponent and ultimately should become a better fighter through it, no matter how you scored it.
What I think many didn't appreciate is that Matvey has always been among the most skilled in the division, but for various reasons his career just didn't pan out. Oh - and that chin... but if he makes it to the bell hes in with a chance against anyone.
Korobov was a highly decorated amateur. It would be much better if he had enough will to take second half of his fights as convincingly as he's doing it in the first half....But for some reason he always looks unmotivated, like he lose his concentration in the end
Explain that to me
Ach.. you know how NSB is. Ain't really about Jermall it's about folk on here wanting to rub people's faces in it for saying Jermall was better than he is. Probably reciprocation for shade they threw on another fighter - this place is like a schoolyard sometimes.
Thing is he did just fine in my book (I had it a draw on a morning after once over, though I didn't actually do a full scorecard), came through adversity against a truly skilled opponent and ultimately should become a better fighter through it, no matter how you scored it.
What I think many didn't appreciate is that Matvey has always been among the most skilled in the division, but for various reasons his career just didn't pan out. Oh - and that chin... but if he makes it to the bell hes in with a chance against anyone.