Which Robbery was worse: GGG/Canelo I, or Wilder/Fury???

They think "Narratives " matter when scoring and deciding fights. Tell em! :boxing:

I can't see how someone gets to 6 or 7 for Canelo in either fight. I can see someone getting to 5 for Wilder. A lot of top level fights are going to have 4-6 'close' rounds.' First 4-6 in Wilder-Fury 1 were close, feel out rounds. Not much action. Fury imo shouldn't get every one of them 'just because.' I try to split those close rounds and I did in that fight. Wilder had the two KDs in the last 6, while Fury dominated almost every moment of those last 6 beyond the two KDs. I don't think he did enough in either KD round to make those a 1 point round. GGG had 5 clear rounds for me in each fight vs Canelo. Rounds where he outworked (landed more than) Canelo and landed the better shots of the round. Those are clear rounds. On that note, can anyone point to the clearest round for Canelo in either fight? Genuine question. Can't think of one round where he landed a great round-changing punch, and/or outworked GGG for the round. Derevy had one round each like that vs GGG; he hurt him to the body at the end of one round to clinch it; and he outworked him badly in the 10th I believe. Basically - it is almost always hard to 100% win a fight when you get KD'd twice and get no KDs of your own, and it goes 12 rounds. Similarly it is hard to make a good case for winning a fight when you get outworked almost every round, and have no real clear rounds of your own (I know some will take objection to that; but I just try to call fights like I see 'em and I didn't see any 'clear' rounds for Canelo in either one). They think "Narratives " matter when scoring and deciding fights.

I can't see how someone gets to 6 or 7 for Canelo in either fight. I can see someone getting to 5 for Wilder. A lot of top level fights are going to have 4-6 'close' rounds.' First 4-6 in Wilder-Fury 1 were close, feel out rounds. Not much action. Fury imo shouldn't get every one of them 'just because.' I try to split those close rounds and I did in that fight. Wilder had the two KDs in the last 6, while Fury dominated almost every moment of those last 6 beyond the two KDs. I don't think he did enough in either KD round to make those a 1 point round. GGG had 5 clear rounds for me in each fight vs Canelo. Rounds where he outworked (landed more than) Canelo and landed the better shots of the round. Those are clear rounds. On that note, can anyone point to the clearest round for Canelo in either fight? Genuine question. Can't think of one round where he landed a great round-changing punch, and/or outworked GGG for the round. Derevy had one round each like that vs GGG; he hurt him to the body at the end of one round to clinch it; and he outworked him badly in the 10th I believe. Basically - it is almost always hard to 100% win a fight when you get KD'd twice and get no KDs of your own, and it goes 12 rounds. Similarly it is hard to make a good case for winning a fight when you get outworked almost every round, and have no real clear rounds of your own (I know some will take objection to that; but I just try to call fights like I see 'em and I didn't see any 'clear' rounds for Canelo in either one).

I gave Canelo and Wilder the same amount of rounds. https://media.tenor.com/images/5aef360db3ddfa34fd4adda997d9b5da/tenor.gif

Compared to Wilder Fury 1.....there is no comparison. Pac Bradley 1 would have been a better choice. I gave Canelo and Wilder the same amount of rounds.

Most people, clearly. People have gone to prison for smaller thefts. Compared to Wilder Fury 1.....there is no comparison. Pac Bradley 1 would have been a better choice.

Some people, right here and now, do. Most people, clearly. People have gone to prison for smaller thefts.

I dont consider either Canelo GGG fight a robbery Some people, right here and now, do.

''Which Robbery was worse'', though And there you have it I dont consider either Canelo GGG fight a robbery although, personally, I scored fight 1 7-5 GGG. I can see the draw though too. In the rematch I can see it 7-5 either way and the draw is okay too. It's a GOOD problem to have such close contests. I did think Fury Wilder 1 was a robbery. Wilder was ineffective in every round but 2 rounds...that's 10-2 Fury or 118-110 which is 116-110 after you factor KDs. The only reason people wanted the rematch was because of the "long count" in the 2nd KD. Rematch was definitive and now theres glovegate... XD XD XD

Both close fights. Its 13-11 (either way) or 12-12 after 24 rounds. ''Which Robbery was worse'', though And there you have it

Sometimes you have to remind people Both close fights. Its 13-11 (either way) or 12-12 after 24 rounds.

Sometimes you have to remind people

Since you say Nelo was hurt in both fights, we no longer need to debate this. We never needed to discuss this in the first place, in my opinion anyways

Lol @ the Mexican standoff remark. Good stuff That said, the first fight was a robbery. GGG out threw and out landed Canelo in both fights and was only hurt maybe once in the rematch w/ a body shot. Canelo looked hurt in both fights several times. Especially the first. Remember the head shakes? Yeah, that happened. I would accept a draw in the 2nd fight, but Canelo didn't separate himself from GGG either. Since you say Nelo was hurt in both fights, we no longer need to debate this.

Fury v wilder was worse. Even though gg g best nel o it was more along lines of suspect decision. Nel o was better than gg g in certain aspects. Wilder wasnt better at anything other than missing punches Not sure how you could say that. In the first fight he almost scored a late KO and dropped Fury earlier so you could say he was better at landing the biggest shots of fight #1. That's a 4 point swing in two rounds right there.

Of the 2, there was only 1 close fight where I could see maybe GGG getting the nod (btw, I'm not referring to the Mexican Standoff fight). Lol @ the Mexican standoff remark. Good stuff That said, the first fight was a robbery. GGG out threw and out landed Canelo in both fights and was only hurt maybe once in the rematch w/ a body shot. Canelo looked hurt in both fights several times. Especially the first. Remember the head shakes? Yeah, that happened. I would accept a draw in the 2nd fight, but Canelo didn't separate himself from GGG either.

Fury v wilder was worse. Even though gg g best nel o it was more along lines of suspect decision. Nel o was better than gg g in certain aspects. Wilder wasnt better at anything other than missing punches

they were both bad and both wrong i think these fights that arn't 'robberies' sure have a habit of going a certain way tho :D

So, you're talking about the 2nd fight, right? We are not. That's definitely not how the first fight went. Of the 2, there was only 1 close fight where I could see maybe GGG getting the nod (btw, I'm not referring to the Mexican Standoff fight).