Mike Tyson is 0-5 in his real tests(Teddy Atlas)

Fuk Teddy.

Tyson in general has became so underrated. Atlas has always had a hard on for him. If you aren't willing to give him credit for Holmes then don't use Lewis to tear him down. He was far more done than Larry was (vs. him 88). Holding it against him that he was too dominant is retarded. Wins like Tucker, Tubbs, Thomas don't get enough credit and you can't say the powerful punches he took from Ruddock and Bruno weren't weren't some kind of adversity. He's not the strongest guy mentally or nothing but Atlas is going overboard.

did you dig into my post history to look for grammatical errors?:lol1: Didn’t have to look too far bum.

*aren't SMH did you dig into my post history to look for grammatical errors?:lol1:

Man if you aint a troll, ydksab. *aren't SMH

Mike's fans saying he beat a bunch of B level fighter! B level! Lol. More like X, Y and Z level. Maybe a couple of C level guys, and one B level guy in Spinks, but he was a cruiser. Fact is, Mike got destroyed by Danny Williams when Mike was still in his prime. Check his age at time of fight. A heavyweight that age is prime. And fact is, he never beat anyone as good as Danny Williams in his so called prime. Mike was fringe world level at best. Man if you aint a troll, ydksab.

Have him leaning in whispering in my ear like that creepy guy in Floyd’s corner who was always licking his lips Good one...

OK. I can go with that: Minimum distance guarantee of 5 feet or more. :) Have him leaning in whispering in my ear like that creepy guy in Floyd’s corner who was always licking his lips

I’d want him in my corner, not as my head trainer lol. If you can get him as a #2 or cutman just to give the motivational speeches without going over the top and stealing my stool haha OK. I can go with that: Minimum distance guarantee of 5 feet or more. :)

I thought Atlas' shenanigans, such as vs Foreman led to Moorer's loss. I'd want a calm guy with sage advice like Dundee or almost anyone but Atlas. Your final point is well taken. It leads me to believe I am right in that Atlas made that up--else who would hire him after that came out, unless they were told it's fake? I’d want him in my corner, not as my head trainer lol. If you can get him as a #2 or cutman just to give the motivational speeches without going over the top and stealing my stool haha

I’ve always thought Atlas would be one of the first guys I’d hire for my corner. Just watching his corner speeches with Povetkin and Moorer...I know that’s the type of trainer that would fire me up to go out there. Just don’t fire him, because he’ll show up with a gun. I thought Atlas' shenanigans, such as vs Foreman led to Moorer's loss. I'd want a calm guy with sage advice like Dundee or almost anyone but Atlas. You don't need the addnl stress of a screaming nut on top of you. Your final point is well taken. It leads me to believe I am right in that Atlas made that up--else who would hire him after that came out, unless they were told it's fake?

Since Lalonde had no inkling that Atlas was so pissed, you have to wonder if Atlas fabricated that to sell books and such. Does not have much cred. Terrible trainer, the things we saw him in the ring saying and doing to his charges... Last trainer I'd hire--makes it about him. I’ve always thought Atlas would be one of the first guys I’d hire for my corner. Just watching his corner speeches with Povetkin and Moorer...I know that’s the type of trainer that would fire me up to go out there. Just don’t fire him, because he’ll show up with a gun.

What a stupid statement. Tyson faced adversity against Ruddock just off the top of my head. And if you give me time, I can pull another handful of names out.

Since Lalonde had no inkling that Atlas was so pissed, you have to wonder if Atlas fabricated that to sell books and such. Does not have much cred. Terrible trainer, the things we saw him in the ring saying and doing to his charges... Last trainer I'd hire--makes it about him.

Does Teddy have valid points???? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wCZY_vW860 I saw this and I agree with teddy.

Spinks is an ATG. "Not saying much" his resume it's really a list of who's who

What's atlas record? The guy needs to let it go. He always has something bad to day about the champ.

his best win is micheal spinks. and thats not saying much. what makes Tyson so mystic is that he went to Prison for while, cus died it affected him heavy. he had some set backs so every one blames all his loses on outside the ring events. Mike is a case of "what if" what if he never went to Prison etc. And we all know everybody gets the victory when people say what if. Spinks is an ATG. "Not saying much"

Atlas is telling half truths and making exaggerations, as always. The Spinks win was an ATG performance, Spinks was considered P4P top 10 at that time. The Ruddock wins were also great performances. Sure he wasn't on Holyfield or (later) Lewis' level, but he was just one step below. Prime Ruddock would be in today's top 5 easy with Joshua, Wilder, Fury and Ortiz. He was absolutely sleepwalking in the Douglas fight and took a savage beating, but a lesser man would have folded much sooner and he still almost won the fight with a comeback KO. That Douglas would have beaten prime Holyfield that night, too. PLEASE do not compare those fights, the Douglas who showed up for his Holyfield fight would be like Foreman fighting today against Wilder. Also, post-prison Tyson was no longer great but he was still very good and, as mentioned in this thread, unified the division. The Golota win was impressive (later changed to no contest but it was really a stoppage if you recall). He was actually handling Williams with ease until the knee blew out. We would have seen Vitali-Tyson if that didn't happen. Now, I do think Vitali would have beaten him at that point, but that was a way past-it Tyson, but he was still good enough to beat the fringe contenders of the early to mid aughts.

Teddy tried to say rape when in reality he was a racist and didn't like a 15 year old "black boy" hitting on his 13 year old niece. Teddy is KNOWN to have anger issues.... Lets not talk about him planning on killing Lalonde. Why not? They are his own words... http://boxing-ring.blogspot.com/2007/01/teddy-atlas-from-streets-to-ring-sons.html Teddy Atlas From The Streets To The Ring: A Son's Struggle To Become A Man By Teddy Atlas and Peter Alson This is one of the better boxing books that I have read in quite a while. This is not just the story of a man’s journey through the boxing world, but of a man’s journey through life, that happens to take place in the world of boxing. You don’t have to be a fan of boxing to enjoy this book, but it probably helps to know the characters Atlas is writing about. Teddy Atlas was born into an established but dysfunctional family, headed by a father that was unable to give him (at least on the surface) the love and approval he needed. Atlas wisely does not over dwell on his association with Mike Tyson, but gives a matter of fact and honest account of his time with Tyson, and with Cus D’Amato, his mentor and surrogate father. The most compelling areas of the book are when Atlas reveals his own dark side, particularly when describing how he was planning Donny Lalonde’s murder, which fortunately for both Atlas and Lalonde, never happened. Also intriguing is Atlas' take on the pychological aspect of boxing, which plays a large part in his coaching and method style.