Did Golovkin really tie Hopkins' title fight streak?

Yes he did under the accepted practices of the sanctioning bodies. Whether that is meaningful is up for debate. I think Hopkins had a no contest (maybe two) counted as a sucessfull defense so his record is also debatable. It doesn't matter because it doesn't say much about how good a fighter really is. Yeah, I've always wondered why Allen NC counted as a defense.

Why the phuk would I care what promoters say? Hell promoters advertise Interim belts as world title fights all the time. The problem isn't whether you think it's a world title or not the problem is the media has never been a propaganda tool for a fighter let alone done something as unprecedented as try to trick the public by tacking on bogus title defenses to inflate 1 fighters career. Not once did the media EVER tell the public that more then half these defense came when he was a secondary belt holder and that the WBA had a real world champ. Again this has NEVER happened before GGG. ABC orgs can be crooked do stupid or shady things, promoters will say anything to sell a fight but the media has NEVER acknowledged secondary or regional or interm defense records EVER...before they all did it to prop up GGG. The same media that is still trying to tell fans today that GGG didn't really lose to Canelo even though the judges that actually know how to score fights said so, even though overwhelming the fighters all say Canelo beat GGG and even though the trainers overwhelming say Canelo beat GGG. Why did the media get it so wrong well maybe because so many of them were bias, they helped build GGG's legacy in the first place off the back of lies. The record was manipulated, fraudulent and the media knows it but kept promoting the streak to fool the public. I can see this **** got you real worked up man... looks like you can see bias when it's working for someone you don't like but not for the guys you do. That's normal though. Pschology, see - we barely notice the **** that conforms to our beliefs but stuff that runs counter to 'em - hell, that gets some folk real angry... Simple fact is the media were simply reporting on the official WBA record that said GGG had 20 defenses. They'll also say (and outlets are saying) that Canelo is fighting for his world title at a third weight... and guess what? I am willing to bet you that if Canelo somehow makes 22 defenses of the SMW 'crown' he's shortly going to win off Fielding they will also be crowing that he's got the longest consecutive SMW defense record in history... I'm guessing you will too if you haven't developed a little more self awareness by then. Anyways, welcome to ignore man. I honestly got better things to do with my time.

It's a sham. Sham because its used by the powers in boxing with the sole purpose to hype GGG to make him more marketable. I definitely do not blame the fighter. This is yet again another move by an ABC body to further complicate boxing for the benefit of filling their pockets at the expense of fans. Well like I say, not just Golovkin - he's just the first fighter that happened to get enough defenses for it to become an issue, but yeah, BS nonetheless... The WBA have a lot to answer for, man -the BS around Sturm both at MW and SMW was corruption at it's finest, and if anything they even rose to new heights by making Tank the 'super' champion within even the slightest pretense at legitimising it. At least when they gave it to Sturm they went to the effort of changing their rulebook a coupla months before they actually elevated him.:lol1:

The practise of having multiple champions is a black eye for boxing. We already have too many sanctioning bodies. Its ridiculous.

Oh, I agree that it was bogus and the media shouldn't have run with it - but media do what media do, it's just that this time you didn't like the guy they were hyping - all I was saying is that it didn't start with GGG as you claimed... the WBA have always counted defenses of the regular title whether or not there was also a super champ... it's just that no one gave a damn before because no-one made more than a coupla of defenses. And historically like you say the WBA regular and super situation is unprecedented - there never has been a situation where a 'secondary' belt (which was originally 'the' belt) is sometimes the primary belt and sometimes isn't. What you're saying is that sometimes we count the regular and sometimes we don't. Golovkin was either the sole WBA champion or the super champion for 15 fights but you think he should only be credited with what 9 or 10 defenses? Maybe you need to create a consistent ruling on exactly which defenses you count? Honestly, man, your obsession with stamping on all things Golovkin is a lil creepy. Seen you going in on Loeffler and Sanchez with real venom, even when other guys from his gym lose. That's Pac*** level weirdness, man.:lol1: And yeah - hope you ain't one of those talking about Canelo becoming a 3 weight champion if he beats fielding then? Cos yeah - it absolutely is being sold as a 'world title' clash. Why the phuk would I care what promoters say? Hell promoters advertise Interim belts as world title fights all the time. The problem isn't whether you think it's a world title or not the problem is the media has never been a propaganda tool for a fighter let alone done something as unprecedented as try to trick the public by tacking on bogus title defenses to inflate 1 fighters career. Not once did the media EVER tell the public that more then half these defense came when he was a secondary belt holder and that the WBA had a real world champ. Again this has NEVER happened before GGG. ABC orgs can be crooked do stupid or shady things, promoters will say anything to sell a fight but the media has NEVER acknowledged secondary or regional or interm defense records EVER...before they all did it to prop up GGG. The same media that is still trying to tell fans today that GGG didn't really lose to Canelo even though the judges that actually know how to score fights said so, even though overwhelming the fighters all say Canelo beat GGG and even though the trainers overwhelming say Canelo beat GGG. Why did the media get it so wrong well maybe because so many of them were bias, they helped build GGG's legacy in the first place off the back of lies. The record was manipulated, fraudulent and the media knows it but kept promoting the streak to fool the public.

I think he was elevated after he won the interim so all his defenses were of the regular title, so 10 and 10 (technically maybe 9 of the super since the WBA didn't sanction the Brook fight I believe - though I think there's dispute over how you whether you would still count it since he had the IBF and WBC by that time. Sham? Well depends what you mean I guess. It's not like GGGs tried to con anyone - by the WBAs official record he does have 20 defenses and it ain't like they changed their record keeping especially for GGG, but I don't count it that way (it's 15 by my reckoning). By any way of counting he has a unusually long defense streak, but it ain't a particularly strong one. If anyone's to blame it's the WBA for elevating Sturm to 'super' champion (and changing their own rules to allow that to happen) instead of simply making him fight Golovkin or drop the belt... but then they are so full of ish that nothing should really surprise us. If it is a 'sham' it wasn't one perpetrated by Golovkin, and you can't really blame his promoter for running with it, though maybe the boxing media should have been more cynical. http://www.wbaboxing.com/boxing-news/ggg-records-historic-20th-title-defense It's a sham. Sham because its used by the powers in boxing with the sole purpose to hype GGG to make him more marketable. I definitely do not blame the fighter. This is yet again another move by an ABC body to further complicate boxing for the benefit of filling their pockets at the expense of fans.

Do you also count his first WBA interim title fight? Golovkin has: 1 WBA interim title fight 10 WBA world title fights 9 WBA super world title fights It seems his whole streak is a sham I think he was elevated after he won the interim so all his defenses were of the regular title, so 10 and 10 (technically maybe 9 of the super since the WBA didn't sanction the Brook fight I believe - though I think there's dispute over how you whether you would still count it since he had the IBF and WBC by that time. Sham? Well depends what you mean I guess. It's not like GGGs tried to con anyone - by the WBAs official record he does have 20 defenses and it ain't like they changed their record keeping especially for GGG, but I don't count it that way (it's 15 by my reckoning). By any way of counting he has a unusually long defense streak, but it ain't a particularly strong one. If anyone's to blame it's the WBA for elevating Sturm to 'super' champion (and changing their own rules to allow that to happen) instead of simply making him fight Golovkin or drop the belt... but then they are so full of ish that nothing should really surprise us. If it is a 'sham' it wasn't one perpetrated by Golovkin, and you can't really blame his promoter for running with it, though maybe the boxing media should have been more cynical. http://www.wbaboxing.com/boxing-news/ggg-records-historic-20th-title-defense

Huh? Well officially, yeah, but that's only if you allow that the WBA was counting two separate champions simultaneously. I personally don't. I count Golovkin's title run from when he became sole WBA champion after Geale vacated, which would put him on 15 defences. Still others will only count it from when he was elevated to WBA 'super' champ (around the time he did actually fight Geale) which would put him on 10 or 11 defenses I think. Course there's also the argument about why Sturm was elevated instead of being stripped at the start of GGG title run, but that's another story. Do you also count his first WBA interim title fight? Golovkin has: 1 WBA interim title fight 10 WBA world title fights 9 WBA super world title fights It seems his whole streak is a sham

Aside from Canelo, I can only imagine the backlash ggg would receive if he rematched two separate guys, even facing one 3 times.

no this about the media. Belt orgs do stupid shyt crooked shyt even and the media ignores or calls them out. The WBA didn't want to advertise this BS the media started doing it to prop GGG. And media member like for example even fat boy dan makes a point to demean the WBA and their regular/super belts all the time and mocks the regular belt holder any chance he gets. Yet in the millions of articles and reporting he's done on GGG over the years he NEVER mentions to the public hey this record is garbage he held the jr bs belt while they had a real champion for 4 years more more then half the defenses are bogus ect ect. Fat boy dan never says a peep and many other members knew this record was bogus and pawned it to inflate GGG's career. It's unprecedented I can't find a single example of this ever happening in boxing. The media has always ignored defense records for secondary belts...ALWAYS. They aren't mentioned or reported on...UNTIL they suddenly did for GGG. Oh, I agree that it was bogus and the media shouldn't have run with it - but media do what media do, it's just that this time you didn't like the guy they were hyping - all I was saying is that it didn't start with GGG as you claimed... the WBA have always counted defenses of the regular title whether or not there was also a super champ... it's just that no one gave a damn before because no-one made more than a coupla of defenses. And historically like you say the WBA regular and super situation is unprecedented - there never has been a situation where a 'secondary' belt (which was originally 'the' belt) is sometimes the primary belt and sometimes isn't. What you're saying is that sometimes we count the regular and sometimes we don't. Golovkin was either the sole WBA champion or the super champion for 15 fights but you think he should only be credited with what 9 or 10 defenses? Maybe you need to create a consistent ruling on exactly which defenses you count? Honestly, man, your obsession with stamping on all things Golovkin is a lil creepy. Seen you going in on Loeffler and Sanchez with real venom, even when other guys from his gym lose. That's Pac*** level weirdness, man.:lol1: And yeah - hope you ain't one of those talking about Canelo becoming a 3 weight champion if he beats fielding then? Cos yeah - it absolutely is being sold as a 'world title' clash. "This is great way to watch Canelo make history as he steps up in weight to win a world title in a third division," said Oscar De La Hoya, Chairman and CEO of Golden Boy Promotions. "I'm pleased that fans will be able to watch this event at local cinemas across the nation."

Sturm was the WBA champion when he was defending it..there was no "super" champion..GGG was not the real WBA champ, Sturm was exactly. Again it's one thing to count WBA Regular if there is NO OTHER CHAMP. But when there is already a Super champ NOBODY counts it never have. The media has never paid attention or reported on it. GGG is the only time I can find where this has happened.

Sturm was the WBA champion when he was defending it..there was no "super" champion..GGG was not the real WBA champ, Sturm was Indeed - hence why I personally count only those defenses made of the regular title when there is no incumbent 'super' champion (15 in GGGs case) Nonetheless if you go on the WBAs website they were the ones congratulating Golovkin on his 20 defenses, and it's their records that the media are running with. The WBA obviously need to pretend that both their titles are legitimate (not much point in handing out extra straps otherwise), so they have always counted all their regular defenses as part of a 'title run' - it's just that no-one gave enough of a damn to question it before.

I think there was very few occasions where a regular champ made more than 1 or 2 defenses whilst there was an existing 'super' though on the record those defense are counted (Braehmer had a few, Girard the other Sturm mess at SMW) regardless - these guys were all counted by the WBA as champions with defenses. It's just that no-one gave a **** until the record started showing GGG closing on Hopkins numbers. Honestly it would never have happened if the WBA hadn't taken the 'unprecedented' step of changing their own rules to allow Sturm to be elevated to Super status instead of fighting his mandatory Initially the WBA 'super' champion had just been a special designation for WBA champions who were also unified Champions, but they started doubling up fairly early on... no this about the media. Belt orgs do stupid shyt crooked shyt even and the media ignores or calls them out. The WBA didn't want to advertise this BS the media started doing it to prop GGG. And media member like for example even fat boy dan makes a point to demean the WBA and their regular/super belts all the time and mocks the regular belt holder any chance he gets. Yet in the millions of articles and reporting he's done on GGG over the years he NEVER mentions to the public hey this record is garbage he held the jr bs belt while they had a real champion for 4 years more more then half the defenses are bogus ect ect. Fat boy dan never says a peep and many other members knew this record was bogus and pawned it to inflate GGG's career. It's unprecedented I can't find a single example of this ever happening in boxing. The media has always ignored defense records for secondary belts...ALWAYS. They aren't mentioned or reported on...UNTIL they suddenly did for GGG.

They counted it when there was no presence of a super champ. But when they had a super champ they have never counted the regular defenses. Just like nobody counts or reports international title defense records, or regional title defense records. GGG is the first time in history that we have ever seen 2 champs his entire reign of the jr title and then tack that on when he finally became the true champ and pawn it off like a true record let alone a coordinated effort to mislead the public like the media did. I think there was very few occasions where a regular champ made more than 1 or 2 defenses whilst there was an existing 'super' though on the record those defense are counted (Braehmer had a few, Girard the other Sturm mess at SMW) regardless - these guys were all counted by the WBA as champions with defenses. It's just that no-one gave a **** until the record started showing GGG closing on Hopkins numbers. Honestly it would never have happened if the WBA hadn't taken the 'unprecedented' step of changing their own rules to allow Sturm to be elevated to Super status instead of fighting his mandatory Initially the WBA 'super' champion had just been a special designation for WBA champions who were also unified Champions, but they started doubling up fairly early on...

He actually broke the record if you take robberies into account.

He didn't. The integrity lacking media helped fuel that nonsense.

the Vanes fight shouldnt even count yup you end up with a whole can of worms because if we accept the premise that his defense streak started with the WBA title lineage then you can't include his Brook fight which was so bad that the WBA refused to sanction it and that belt was NOT on the line for the Brook fight because they didn't feel he was worth of an opponent. Similar to the Vanes fight where the IBF refused to sanction it because they deemed Vanes not worthy an opponent. From top to bottom the entire defense record is a sham. It really should be 9 and only 8 or 7 if you don't include Brook or Vanes fights.

That's patently untrue. The WBA and the media have always counted the 'regular' title - well before GGG came along. Check Sturms defense record for instance. Your weird obsession with GGG is causing you to see conspiracies where there ain't any. This is 100% the WBAs doing and they're the ones who somehow saw fit to double up the title - and not because they were trying to turn Golovkin into some kind of star (no one gave a fuck about him at the time), but because they wanted to keep Sturm as a champion. Sturm was the WBA champion when he was defending it..there was no "super" champion..GGG was not the real WBA champ, Sturm was

No, And Hopkins never matched Monzon's record

That's patently untrue. The WBA and the media have always counted the 'regular' title - well before GGG came along. Check Sturms defense record for instance. Your weird obsession with GGG is causing you to see conspiracies where there ain't any. They counted it when there was no presence of a super champ ie there is ONLY 1 champ. But when they had a super champ they have never counted the regular defenses. Just like nobody counts or reports international title defense records, or regional title defense records. GGG is the first time in history that we have ever seen 2 champs his entire reign of the jr title and then tack that on when he finally became the true champ and pawn it off like a true record let alone a coordinated effort to mislead the public like the media did.