Having multiple belts does not make you great

:lol1: It was meant to be funny kid. Like when the guy who starts the movie Aladdin says " It will not break!" then immediately after "Oh, it broke." The last thread I started was about a technique called the Phantom Overhead....Wilder doesn't even use it. As far as writing long posts that side with Wilder goes if you actually knew what you were talking about I wouldn't correct you so often. If you actually knew what you are talking about you could say something that means more than this information makes you feel negative emotions to me If youse did not plaster so much absolute bull**** all over this forum it wouldn't take me so many words to address it. You want to be able to ask what Wilder was doing for the past 40 fights without expecting to have to read a novella of recent history on a forum :lol1: :lol1: Then when you get the ****ing answer you asked for, begged for, claimed no Wilder supporter could bring, what do you do? You cry about who it exalts and how much you need to read. :lol1: Edit- Let me give you some old man advice. Pay attention to the company you keep. Is everyone you talk to parroting a promoter? Are the other Wilder fans outside of myself parroting what Wilder tells them to say? Well what the ****? If I am the only man on the forum telling you a new narrative and that narrative did not come from either promoter or team maybe you should look twice as much as you speak based on that alone. Because you know it's a promoter's job to lie to you. All i do on here is correct misinformation and teach history and physics. Pay attention, I swear, that is all I do. If you keep going into Joshua threads of course you're going to see me correcting a lot of Hearn's lies. He is a promoter, he is a good promoter. Since the **** when does a good promoter not equate to a good lair? Alright bubba...tell me he's a **** promoter....you don't want to do that because he's making a whole lot of money isn't he.....Tell me he's the first honest promoter in boxing history. Go one and bring yourself to post that. Of course you know a good promoter is a good liar. I know you're probably full of pride and ain't about to listen to an old **** who tells you you're all sorts of wrong all the time, but, this last bit is from the heart. I am at the end of the day just an old man trying to pass on something to younger men. Take my advice even if you don't apply it here and now. Pay attention to those who agree with you. It is telling. I don't know if you have a personal problem with AJ/hearn and match room staples but to the best of your know, every other promoter is a saint and all says the truth all the time including finkel and Warren except hearn. Let's assume you are the know it all in this forum as an old man that you are but bear in mind that I will keep bursting you when you write biased comments towards one camp when we all know the truth. Am not leaving this forum anytime soon.

I said a name at you. The **** does this got to do with Bowe? If you have a problem with my chronology or points I raised elsewhere why didn't you say it then in response to whatever post has your panties twisted? I have no ****ing clue what you are talking about because despite obviously being shook by **** I have said you didn't criticize anything specific. You just ranted about some vague motivation you claim I have while crying about false equivalencies you've drawn. :lol1: Like some Alex Jones **** or some such similar nonsense. And to be honest what sense I did make of this little hissy fit amounted to you lack the knowledge to counter the points I raise but do retain a strong resentment for having raised them. Like a housewife.....you minge. Hold on, hold on. Stop acting like you made any valid point other than been biased in your so called chronicles. Every rubbish you write tilt towards wilder being right all the time which is bullshyyte. I will start taking you serious when you start writing unbiased epistle and be reasonable in your thinking. Writing loads of crap doesn't make you knowledgeable as you think or claim. Many fans already know you are a joke.

Being a "World Champion" these days doesn't hold anywhere near the same weight as it used. You take someone like Adrien Broner. A 4 Division World Champion. Can anyone legitimately tell me what his signature win is as a Pro? Demarco? Malignaggi? Ponce? I'd put Broner on a higher pedestal had he actually defended his titles several times before moving up. He'd win a belt then vacate / get stripped then would somehow land another title fight off a weak win or Draw. I mean, he just landed a Pac fight off a Draw with Jessie Vargas. http://pluspng.com/img-png/png-shrug-istockphoto-com-licensed-to-lon-kilgore-968.png I agree 100% I dont get how fans dont understand this though. Winning a world championship isnt anything where near what it used to be especially with all these belts now. That's not saying it take skill or heart or whatever but there are BIG gaps between skill level. On top of that, most boxers these days arent even fighters, they want to be businessmen first and that definitely hurts the sport. When you talk about winning a belt and vacating it. Moving up and around it sounds a lot like you're talking about Mikey Garcia. But people tall **** about Broner and act like Mikey is the ****. Hes better than broner but by how much? And then you have to ask, how good is broner? The dude can look good but also looks like **** half the time. He got the same problems tank got and we all know who they got that from.

Being a "World Champion" these days doesn't hold anywhere near the same weight as it used. You take someone like Adrien Broner. A 4 Division World Champion. Can anyone legitimately tell me what his signature win is as a Pro? Demarco? Malignaggi? Ponce? I'd put Broner on a higher pedestal had he actually defended his titles several times before moving up. He'd win a belt then vacate / get stripped then would somehow land another title fight off a weak win or Draw. I mean, he just landed a Pac fight off a Draw with Jessie Vargas. http://pluspng.com/img-png/png-shrug-istockphoto-com-licensed-to-lon-kilgore-968.png

I agree how many belts doesn't matter nearly as much as who you beat. That's why Crawford is over rated.

Maybe not, but it puts you in the conversation.

Man... Ortiz is nothing but someone for you to pin up to elevate Wilder. Ortiz is absolutely no different to Povetkin, hell it could be argued he's inferior to Povetkin yet the common consensus here is that Ortiz is a monster now just because he rocked Wilder. Same for Fury to be honest; Fury hasn't even shown that he's anywhere near the champion he was to be even considered one of the best in the division. If you actually objectively compare Povetkin to Ortiz the only difference between the 2 of them is that Povetkin actually achieved something in his amateur career; everything else is exactly the same. Joshua does need to fight Wilder though... and that has to happen next year. im not hyping up anything, I think Ortiz is a good fighter, id love to see him fight AJ. and no matter how you try to cut it, Fury is the Lineal champ and one of the best in the division. pedvtkin is a good win for aj even tho hes pretty much nothing without his juice, he has a better resume than Ortiz. I just want to see all the top HWs fight the names I named are some of the top names in the division.

Parker, Whyte,Wlad,Martin,Takem,Povetkin is not some ATG list sorry No but its the best currently in the division, until Fury is back and firing, whos claiming he is an ATG already?

:lol1: There is no need for all this emotion and **** bubba. Riddick Bowe is proof the bold bit there is just a stupid thing to say. Now you want to pretend like this has something to do with how those belts were gathered? :lol1: Angle? :lol1: Seriously son what in the **** is wrong with your generation? The angle is levity I guess. You do know what levity means right? You try too hard to convince fans with your long comments that some times lack contents.. You can't pretend to know that it takes heart and will power to unify twice in the HW division. Am not interested in your excuses why the longest champ never tried to unify because it not going to sell. The fans already know what you try so hard to convince them about. The unified champ is always and ever ready for any challenger including wilder. All they need to do is sign the contract and the fight is on. End of.

Yeah...... I guess running from mandatories makes you great then.

there simply isn't enough big names at HW to crown anyone king, they all need to fight eachother and AJ needs stop hiding behind politics and money acting like a DIVA when it comes to fighting wilder, Ortiz, or fury. He has the best resume of them all I agree but like Larry is saying you all need to calm down with the overhyping and acting like this guy is already an ATG and his resume is something to brag about. its simply not Man... Ortiz is nothing but someone for you to pin up to elevate Wilder. Ortiz is absolutely no different to Povetkin, hell it could be argued he's inferior to Povetkin yet the common consensus here is that Ortiz is a monster now just because he rocked Wilder. Same for Fury to be honest; Fury hasn't even shown that he's anywhere near the champion he was to be even considered one of the best in the division. If you actually objectively compare Povetkin to Ortiz the only difference between the 2 of them is that Povetkin actually achieved something in his amateur career; everything else is exactly the same. Joshua does need to fight Wilder though... and that has to happen next year.

Usyk and Loma have proven far more then Crawford How? Gary Russell and Bellew? Not true. Don't also forget that losing and struggling vs journeymen like Salido and Linares isn't some creditable stuff. C'mon bro.

Who were all somehow past their prime...every single time. You Sir, are stupid.

Multiple belts does not make you great, but as a rule of thumb it's better than having one belt, and even better than having no belts.:lol1: At the very least it shows a fighter's worthy of being taken seriously, but then on NSB that means little.

Parker, Whyte,Wlad,Martin,Takem,Povetkin is not some ATG list sorry True but that list should be enough to show that he is proven at world level (at least compared to the current crop of heavyweights). To say he is unproven is quite frankly ridiculous

What I learned from the AJ thread last night. If you have 3 belts and 21 fights you can’t ever be considered a duck no matter what. Unless you’re Riddick Bowe, who had 3 belts and 31 fights. He’s only considered the biggest duck in history though. There is a huge difference bro. All bowe belts came in a single fight just like fury while AJ's belts came in 3 fights.

I see multiple threads about "WHY ARE PEOPLE ATTACKING JOSHUA" AND "IF HE WAS AMERICAN HE WOULD BE A TOP 10 ATG HEAVYWEIGHT"...Come on man, he beat Charles Martin for the IBF, beat a 40 year old Wlad coming off of a loss and a 2 year layoff for the vacant WBA, Then beat Parker for the WBO...Why should everyone be sucking him off exactly?? Seems like some posters want him crowned king before he even proves himself King...The guy is still very unproven and has to keep putting in the work to get his respect..He has fought and defeated over twice as many legit top 10 contenders and champions as Wilder in half the number of fights. Go to ring magazine top 10 and see if you want. AJ has defeated Wlad, Parker, Whyte, Martin,and Povetkin for 5 top 10 guys or belt holders. Wilder has defeated only Ortiz and Stiverne for only two top 10 guys in 40 fights. That's why right now AJ is my champion not Wilder. Wilder is 33 years old to AJ's 28. AJ is the man anyone must beat to call themselves the best heavyweight in the world not Fury or Wilder.

What I learned from the AJ thread last night. If you have 3 belts and 21 fights you can’t ever be considered a duck no matter what. Unless you’re Riddick Bowe, who had 3 belts and 31 fights. He’s only considered the biggest duck in history though.

Not having this Larry Have people forgotten Martin himself was cherry picked by that hoe Duva in order to gift her fighter Glazkov with a title, hence petitioning the IBF to strip Fury? Martin deserved to win that simply because him winning backfired Duva's cherry pick. And if Martin is frowned upon by you guys, why didn't Wilder unify the IBF and WBC titles with Martin instead, considering Martin won the title on Wilder's undercard? Why didn't Haymon put the money up for that and let Wilder collect 2 belts? Wlad was coming off a loss yes and was inactive but only having been dicked around by Fury who pissed his career away on drugs and kebabs. Who was Joshua supposed to fight instead of Wlad? It made all the sense in the world - titles on the line, 90,000 at Wembley, former heavyweight king and the fight delivered. And also, an old Wlad is a greater fighter than an old Ortiz yet one gets **** on and the other gets hyped up Another funny thing is when Fury beat Wlad and papped it from the rematch, people were saying "Fury fluked a win over Wlad, he's ducking the rematch, he can't beat him, he took drugs to duck" etc now years later, the same Fury accused of fluking past Wlad and ducking the rematch is all of a sudden a genuine threat to Wilder. WTF? Parker was prime, undefeated, the WBO title and brought in New Zealand money, plus it was a 3 belt unification. Again, who should Joshua have fought at the time instead? Funny thing is if Wilder had Wlad, Parker, Martis and 3 titles on his resume, you'd be calling him the fighter of the decade but when Wilder was feasting on bums for the first 37, YES 37, fights of his career, you boys stayed church mouse silent. When Martin was even considered a possible option for Wilder everyone on this site sh^t on Martin. People were starting threads saying Wilder was going to surrender his title and fight Martin since they were both with Haymon. He would duck Povetkin. Blah blah blah. Belt or no belt no one on earth thought Martin was a good fighter.

there is a big difference between having the ability to have a big say in the negiotiations and wilder, at the moment at least, has very little power. He has a lot more power now than before. Before he had to cave and take the flat fee. Once Hearn still refused to do the fight, Wilder, rightfully, did everything possible to find some leverage. Fury is that leverage. He can make 20 million in two fights with Fury, which is way better than 15 million for one fight with AJ when it has to be in the UK and there's no rematch clause. Joshua could quite easily take on Ortiz, Whyte2, usyk, Big Baby, etc in the next couple of years and although the wilder fight should build further he would still be taking tough fights and you couldn’t overly argue with him because he’s making big bucks for doing it. The flaw with that plan though is that when you're the big mainstream cash cow, the public will turn on you if you wait too long to fight the fight they really want to see. You also risk losing before ever fighting the fight everyone wants to see. The plan you lay out is GREAT FOR HEARN, but he'd be fighting all those fights to make less than he'd have made fighting Wilder twice.