Head to head Lennox Lewis is the greatest HW of all time.

M Ali the greatest of all time Ali takes AJ and LL to school It's called boxing the sweet science Not a Weight lifting contest.

Lewis struggled with Mercer /thread Ali struggled with Jones and Cooper. Lost to Frazier, Norton, Shavers and Young. So did more than struggle. Foreman was dominated by Young. So a lot more than a struggle. Frazier struggled with a bum in Bonavena. Louis was outclassed, dropped and knocked out by a shot Schmelling. I could go on. So your argument is invalid. When you fight as many top fighters as Lewis did, some are going to give you a tough fight. Mercer was on fire that night and actually put on the best performance of his career, even though it was a losing effort. He knew that if he stayed on the outside he was in trouble, so forced his way inside all night. I give a lot of credit to Mercer for that, and a lot of credit to Lewis for toughing it out and showing he could handle it when it got hot in there.

Lewis struggled with Mercer /thread

Cmon man. You can't be serious surely. There's a lot in that post so you're going to have to be specific?

:lol1: Seriously? This is a real post? Reading this post reminded me of this website: http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm A lot of words. Plenty of strong opinion. Protests, pontification, jargon, and rhetoric. No substance or understanding. The only difference is you are genuine while the childlike satire found on that website is meant to be a joke. Well, most on this site is opinion. Some facts, but mostly opinion. What parts do you disagree with? Ali getting gifts a lot? Foreman being of low skill and being hideously overrated? Young dominating him? Louis fighting mostly bums? What?

Not even close. Lewis doesn't even crack my top 10 all time although I have no problem with those who have him 10th or even 8th. For me, it's simple. Who did they beat that was in their prime? Who did they lose to in their prime? When you answer those questions, Lewis doesn't rate. He still probably never has to buy a drink here in the states tho. Lennox was a true champoin who never made crazy excuses not to fight someone. H2h he always does well. But Lennox never really beat any great fighters in prime yet is still so highly rated. I think his ability is of such a standard that people had faith in him. Why do people think Lennox would beat anyone on basis of him never fought anyone..? Holyfield was great but past prime and small. Vitality was good win but unsatisfactory finish. But I don’t want to begrudge him. I won’t argue where historians place him.

Lennox Lewis is my fav HW of all time!!!!!!

There's always a punchers chance with the heavyweight division. With that said, Lewis is the favorite against every heavyweight in history. Lewis avenged both his losses to McCall and Rahman... Let's not try to pretend like guys like Ali were unbeatable (like Lewis). He lost to Frazier, and no offense, but had very controversial decisions against Norton.

Not even close. Lewis doesn't even crack my top 10 all time although I have no problem with those who have him 10th or even 8th. For me, it's simple. Who did they beat that was in their prime? Who did they lose to in their prime? When you answer those questions, Lewis doesn't rate. He still probably never has to buy a drink here in the states tho. Lennox was a true champoin who never made crazy excuses not to fight someone.

Not even close, Lewis is so overrated by some people on here.

Good stuff, Eco... My dad once told me he cried when Foreman stopped Frazier... If you had a guy in the 70s, that was your guy thick or thin Similar to you, I was a kid watching boxing on the floor. Only it was SRL, Hearns, Hagler, Tyson, Holyfield, etc in the 80s Actually, I was still young in the 80's and watched those too. They were warriors and never cherrypicked! They fought everyone. I was actually probably 4 years old when Foreman fought Frazier, I can still remember when he lift Frazier in the air!

Tell me what it was like watching prime Ali in the 60's/70's? Anything like watching Jordan in the 80s 90s? I was a Kid at the time, but my father and his friends used to get together and I used to sit on the floor and watch the fights. Watching Ali was bigger than watching Jordan, but I love Kenny Norton and always thought Norton won those fights. That said, all of the big 4 were great. If you are comparing them to Jordan, the only thing I can tell you is, if you were a nicks fan, and those guys were the bulls, you would be in tears forever! P.S. Ali seemed to fly of the floor, like he said, like a Butterfly! Beautiful!

Ali Holmes and Louis wouldn't come close to schooling Lewis. Lewis beats the **** out of Ali and Holmes by decision and absolutely destroys Louis in about 2 rounds. Lewis could counter punch. Do you know what happens to Foreman when you can do that? They make a mockery over this grotesquely overrated caveman. Just like Young did. Or are you going to sat that dud is also better than Lewis? Haha. Prime Tyson isn't up to wreaking anyone on the level of Lewis. He can do it against average fighters, but not even close to doing it to the very best. The Tyson hype was proven to be nothing but a myth. Lewis proved he was the truth. Holyfield and Vitali were Lewis' two biggest wins. Tyson was a good win, but was more of a name than substance by that point. That's to go along with a long list of other good wins. Name a heavyweight with that kind of depth in their resume? Holmes has nothing but 7 good wins. And Louis beat mostly bums. There's a few good wins, but mostly garbage of the highest order. You say that Lewis lost to Rahman and McCall, but don't mention the fact that Lewis had his mind on Bowe and Holyfield because they both kept refusing to fight him. So his mind wasn't on McCall. And against Rahman, he was over weight through not training and turned up in Africa way too late so the altitude got to him. You can see his mouth wide open even in the first round trying to get oxygen in his lungs. So don't make anything of those 2 loses. And besides, he avenged both of those. What about Holmes losing to a damn Lightheavtweight. Twice? What about a prime Louis getting dominated by a shot Schmelling? It wasn't a lucky punch. He was outclassed, dropped and knocked out. What about Foreman getting dominated by a nobody in Young and getting dropped even though Young was featherfisted? What about Ali losing all 3 to Norton, an average fighter, but getting gifts in 2 of those? What about Ali losing to Young but getting another gift? What about Ali getting the shot kicked out of him by a one armed brawler in Frazier? What about Ali loosening the ropes illegally against Foreman to gain an advantage? What about getting another gift against a slow brawler in Shavers? Look at the fighters you defend before you ever judge Lewis. He is the best Heavyweight of all time, and it's not even close. Cmon man. You can't be serious surely.

He's over-rated tbh. His 2 biggest victories were against fighters clearly past their prime, Holyfield and Tyson. Other than that getting sparked by McCall and Rahman isn't great. Ali, Holmes, Louis all school him. Foreman knocks him out. Prime Tyson wrecks him. Not saying he isn't a great HW, he was - but best of all time is ridiculous. Lennox Lewis beat every man that ever stepped in to the ring with him

He’s one of the greats, but nobody is unbeatable. I’d see him having lots of trouble with Foreman in his prime. Lewis/Holmes could be an entertaining jab battle. Lots of great matchups that Lewis doesn’t get a guaranteed win over

The eye test is important, and Lewis passes it because of his mammoth size in combination with considerable skills, but there are other important criteria for me in determining how great a fighter is: who did he beat, and when did he beat them. Other heavyweights in history surpass Lewis in terms of the competition they faced and defeated. (The same goes for Joe Louis, BTW.)

Prime Joe Lewis and Ali would spark him. Hell even Joe Frazier that UD Ali would take him. No chance 5 foot 10 Joe Frazier with his short arms beats Lewis. Lennox would beat him the same way he did David Tua.

prime ali could beat him and prime mike tyson when he was still disciplined

I don't agree. Two heavyweights who were not that good knocked Lewis out in the middle of his prime. That never happened to Ali, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano or Holmes. He avenged those two KO losses but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Lennox Lewis is one of the best heavies I have seen. And, yes, I saw Ali, Foreman, Norton, Frazier, but those were something out of the world!