Manny Pacquiao vs Adrien Broner - Jan 19 - Showtime PPV - Las Vegas - WBA Regular

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If you don't even know the stats you are looking for you are really a bad person to be trying to argue against something. They are. By not putting on PPV's of note in January. You don't think they'd be putting on PPV's every damn January if they could make money doing it? Promoters aren't a non-profit. I don't follow ratings so much. I was always more interested in the PPV sh^t so I can't even comment on this. There's ratings dorks around here doe that can comment on this better than I. If December 31st was made a boxing holiday I'd agree with you. If Jan. 19 was a boxing holiday I'd agree with you. It'd be an event. Sure, but its a solid bet less people would of bought it. Hence less revenue. Hence everyone gets less money. The more sh^t you are competing with the less money you'll make. And the NFL & Christmas are events. Same with that Dec. 31 UFC date. They made it an event. They got a built in audience thats been expecting it all year. Again man I think they do by across the board not putting on big fights during certain times of year. Well its not like sh^t don't change to. Cuz Tyson has 4 of the top 6 June PPV's still today, but since 2002 only 1 fight (Pacquiao vs Bradley I) has broken the top 10 June PPV numbers. And if you look at September 6 of the top 10 fights currently happened in 2009-2018. And May is even more saturated with recent fights with 8 of the top 10 fights currently happening in 2009-2017. That might suggest who's the most popular fighters control where the boxing PPV dollars are going & what months are more viable then others. But you still gotta start the trend to making something as big as it can be. Cuz Canelo didn't build September into the best month for a boxing PPV. Oscar did the groundwork for him & til Canelo came around he was all over the top ten for September specifically. So you can see there is an argument there is a lot deeper sh^t going on here than just a big fight can happen any day on the calendar. And when the influence steers one way that means its hurting the ability of others in gaining influence in the same market on other dates. And this is why I think Canelo leaving PPV leaves a very open gap which I made a thread about that COULD open things up with a new PPV boxing event date. But whoever tries it will still be fighting the current that Oscar & Canelo laid so basically Haymon should be trying to get Mikey to take a big May & September fight this year if he's smart cuz I believe Mikey is the most promising guy to takeover the May & September boxing holiday dates. No, give me the "data" I should be looking at then. The data that gives boxing folks keep talking about but never present. December 31st doesn't even need to be a boxing holiday. Put on a big card and see what it does. It dispels the myth of people not wanting to pay for a PPV in December because it is so close to the holidays. I'll give you some ratings for boxing during college football season. Golovkin vs Rubio 1.3 million Crawford vs Benavidez 2.24 million Golovkin vs Stevens 1.4 million Broner vs Demarco 1.05 million Ward vs Rodriguez Over a million (couldn't find exact number) Ward vs Dawson 1.3 million See the point here? Seems like you can do just fine putting on cards during college football but Espinoza keeps saying it hurts the ratings or it hurts going up against college fball but I'd like to see some data back that point up that is all. As for September/May dominating the top spots, well yeah since that is where Mayweather/Canelo have fought on since 08 or 09. Mayweather also did the second highest numbers ever on August against McGregor. Pacman was pulling in million+ buys on non-May/September months. Put Canelo on April and August instead of May/September and he still puts up those big ratings.

the ONLY angle to sell this on PPV is "come watch the big mouth Broner get humbled by the good guy Manny".. therefore AB will carry this whole promotion on his back with his mouth and antics. he deserves a bigger split.

Broner is a journeyman bum

Broner's pre-fight antics will sell the fight even more. Pac on Las Vegas again after two years. It'll be interesting. I'll probably buy it. Broner's antics will force people to buy it even more at the last-minute. There'll be so much intrigue. Broner gonna talk mad S H I T while Manny stands there smiling not knowing wtf he's saying.. should be a fun watch

I love watching pacquaio fight...a true all time great who we will never see the likes again. And broner will ship some huge punishment when he steps in the ring with him.

Broner's pre-fight antics will sell the fight even more. Pac on Las Vegas again after two years. It'll be interesting. I'll probably buy it. Broner's antics will force people to buy it even more at the last-minute. There'll be so much intrigue.

Like you suckers don't have Android boxes to get fights for free.

PPV makes it a pass for me.

I'm just a boxing/combat sports guy. I'm legit not even 100% sure when college football season starts lol. I know they got that New Years Day bowl game thing going on, but thats about it. I do know Tyson used to murder June with his PPV's. I know September is the best month for boxing PPV's with 10 1M+ buy PPV's & May is 2nd with 8 1M+ buy PPV's. And I know January & February are barren months for PPV boxing. Its not just a boxing card doe is what I might not be breaking down well here. What boxing does in May with Cinco de Mayo is an event. What boxing does in September with Mexican Independence Day is an event. What the UFC does in July with International Fight week is an event. And what the UFC does at the end of the year is a copycat event to what they do in Asian countries with combat sports at the end of the year. Jan. 19 is a random Saturday. To me this just seems like basic sh^t that there is probably mounds of info that proves it with stores, businesses & companies stats that promoters & cats with the skin in the game have looked into. I mean like the big holidays where people buy sh^t anyway. I personally wouldn't wanna aim a new service or product around Christmas time unless I could somehow spin it into a service or product one would be looking to gift others with. Your goal is to get max eyes on your PPV & the more peoples eyes are averted to other sh^t the more thats cutting into your money. Thats what people are analyzing I believe & the NFL is popular as f#ck (even if I keep hearing its becoming less popular). LOL I mean why don't you go look it up if you think its NOT a thing? Can't disagree with something commonly believed & then be like show me why I'm right lmfao. Why don't you show mfers why they are wrong with their belief instead of all this anti-theory stuff without facts to back up why you are right. I'm just a trend guy. And if I can see a trend & come up with a logic or hear of a logical take on it that adds up to me I tend to buy it. When I actually got skin in the game or when I'm trying to disprove something is when I deep dive something & find out if there are any holes in that theory. And to me it adds up that it makes less sense to put on a boxing PPV when the biggest sporting event in the US is being promoted & coming to its conclusion. Why don't I look at what exactly? How about THEY provide us the data to prove their claims. Like the college football part and not wanting to compete against it as Espinoza mentioned. I've seen cards do over a million on HBO during college football and we just saw Crawford do major numbers a few weeks ago. Just because it is boxing and not UFC is kind of irrelevant in terms of PPVs in December. The reasoning I've heard thrown out is it is so close to the holidays and people don't want to spend on a PPV since they are spending so much already. Okay, so if that is true then people wouldn't buy the UFC PPV right? If you put Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight that took place in May in December, do you really think people wouldn't buy it? Btw, I don't know why you keep thinking I'm asking you to provide the data, I'm saying boxing folks throw these theories around that people take as factual without doing any research or looking at any research. I'm sure they must have something to back up their reasoning, but at times it just becomes lazy rhetoric and boxing not wanting to change its old ways. Funny you say you have seen Tyson do big numbers in June, that is another theory thrown out that June is a terrible boxing month since no one stays home yet I've seen Pacquiao do big numbers on that month as well.

Broner is still a name, Pacman is a PPV magnet with a good number of filipions (Americans) who would buy his fights in america, so yeah its a PPV fight. The thing is with all these streaming apps coming off in the next 12-15 months, this might be the last bit of a dying breed, i would not be shocked if showtime are working towards that concept too, you have to move with the times am afraid. Showtime moving towards what? They've been streaming their fights for years along with showing them on regular Showtime. Showtime would be dumb to leave money on the table with PPVs. DAZN needs to get millions of paying subscribers to even generate the revenue they would need to pay Canelo. I seriously doubt that DAZN's last 2 shows put on by Hearn have made any money.

It should be a good undercard. Think they've drawn the short straw and been stuck with Chavez Jr vs Angulo

It should be a good undercard.

Remember when we were all complaining about HBO putting all their good fights on PPV? Now here we go with showtime doing 2 PPV in 2 months time. F U C K this...I'll wait a week and watch for free

Is this the first PPV fight for Broner?

I'm just telling you the numbers & history. Jan. PPV's do sh^t numbers historically. And sports fans being focused on the playoffs over boxing is a theory I've heard that I believe holds weight. Thats a whole other thread & debate on the why's doe & I don't have a whole lot of interest in talking about football cuz I got zero interest in football or football's impact on sports fans so I'll leave that to the football fans here to discuss if they wish to. And the UFC does better cuz they do a super card at the end of the year. MMA's May & September is early July & late December. And they save the big names for those months accordingly & everyone knows those are there big cards of the year. Manny vs Broner is no super card. And free TV is different than PPV so thats a whole other thing to. I mean I know that is what they say, but I'm asking where are the numbers to back that up? Like is it really true you can't put on boxing during college football season? I'm not sure if that is true or not. UFC putting on a super card or not shows you can sell in December. Boxing keeps telling you once you get close to the holidays you are screwed. Again meh, show me something to back that theory up. Basically, in boxing they give you a lot of theories on why certain things happen or don't happen with very little data to back it up. If they can provide that data then great! So far they haven't though.

You guys are underestimating the Ppv potential of this fight Pac vs Bradley 3 did like 500k? This will easily surpass that

wait I thought FOX had the rights to this fight so if it's going to PPV wouldn't it be FOX PPV? At least that is what fat boy dan reported.

Done Deal.. is this fight worth PPV doe?? Defo PPV worthy, the build up will be immense

January is a notoriously bad month for PPV (I assume cuz the NFL playoffs cut into your potential audience) & you'll rarely hear of any notable name PPV's in that month. So weird choice here to say the least, but I'm not surprised cuz PBC makes weird ass choices. Whatever number of buys they would get in a more favorable time of year they are probably gonna do 1/2 to 1/3 that in this spot. The all time PPV record for January is 750k buys (Tyson vs Botha in 1999) & only 3 January PPV's have done 500k+ buys. That said Manny & Broner might be so money hungry they couldn't make this fight without the PPV upside so it might not be just about weird ass PBC choices that this is a PPV in Jan. & expect Broner to be in overdrive with trying to sell this fight during the next few months. There won't be any games on the 19th. I'm not sure of all these boxing myths they throw out of how January is such a bad PPV month or December is a bad PPV month and you can't get boxing on during college football etc. I want to see some data back that up. UFC puts on PPVs late in December and they do just fine. Crawford card drew big numbers a few weeks ago. So lets see if this card really flops or not.