Honestly, Eddie Hearn is doing what PBC should have from the jump

I said at the beginning that PBC would have been great had it been in an app with a monthly fee of 5 to 10 dollars giving us all the fights they have shown on showtime, Fox, CBS, etc....they wasted all that money the first few years with time buys and the ratings weren't fantastic and showtime never has good ratings They have so many fighters to stick in limited time slots that guys are crying for fights on social media most the time. Could have built up a nice userbase over the last few years and maybe built a star or 2 instead of having their guys stuck in neutral forever. Haymon bet on his model and now has a guaranteed near $500m heading his way over the next 4 years. Eddie Hearn has his partially guaranteed deal, but the feature fighter under his banner had his last fight seen by less than 50000 people, lol. Let that sink in for a moment

I mean okay, but we've seen the PBC game for like 3.5yrs now right? What makes anyone think PBC is gonna learn? I think it took them a year to figure out they should put guys in fights where they are from vs putting Florida guys in fights in California. I'd love for you to be right, but I think PBC is hard headed in their operation of this product & keep trying to put square pegs in round holes. PBC needs to do some basic ground level sh^t if they are gonna be the king of boxing moving forward. They need a public facing mouthpiece for PBC. If thats a guy who's talking to Elie, Nes &/or Mannix & all the boxing media guys out there as he's driving his car to get some taco bell for lunch or if thats some suit wearing official mfer who's sole job is to steer the PBC narrative & to get the PBC fighters & events stories out in the media on a daily or weekly basis or if there is just some Fox/Showtime show or podcast or Youtube show or something public facing where there is a narrative being steered with what the f#ck is going on with PBC guys. They also need to quit this sh^t with guys being on the sidelines after fights for so long. I was b^tching & moaning in another thread about one of my favorite fighters, Errol Spence, STILL being on the sidelines after a 1 rd KO in June. He's not fought, he doesn't got a fight schedule. His rumored dates have already been pushed back a couple months. And this isn't a new thing. Spence has already had a couple layoffs of over 6 months in recent years for no damn reason. He's healthy, he's not cut, he's not taken a lot of damage, he seems ready & willing to fight yet no f#cking fight. PBC needs to play the game everyone else is playing with this. Canelo beat GGG & was talking about a fight in Dec. the same week. Farmer won last night & he's allegedly going to be on that same card with Canelo. Joshua had his Apr. date booked before his Sept. fight took place. Loma had an injury but before he was even fully cleared of his injury in the media there was talk of a Dec. fight. Bud just won a week or w/e a go & he's got a rumored Apr./May date. This is how mfers operate in this sphere & it gives you double the news in the media cuz people are talking about your fight, people are talking about your announced fight & then people are talking about that fight as we get within the 4-6 week period of the fight happening. PBC guys just get a fight announced 4-6 weeks before it happens & their names aren't in the media as much & when their names are showing up its cuz fans are asking why they aren't fighting which while a narrative is a negative narrative for boxers. And lastly they need to bite the f#cking bullet & make more of their top guys fight. This undefeated bs or the damage of taking an L to another top guy is so overrated & the promoters are the ones who still think fans want undefeated over good f#cking fights & are the bigger problems with that. Promoters stuck in 1985 or some sh^t. But anyway PBC has 147 & 154 on lock & they need to have those guys fight each other. 147 could've had a clear #1 guy reigning in that division by now. And 154 just recently had guys start fighting each other when there was no reason to sit on those guys from the get go. You coulda made Hurd or Charlo a much bigger name by now & had 154 decided as to who's running that division. And there are plenty of other examples of top guys in the same division who shoulda fought by now & we should already have new fights in those divisions we wanna see. /rant, but I believe a lot of solid compliments of the holes in what PBC is attempting to do or at least things they could be doing that would benefit their product. Good post. I've made similar comments in the past. GGG, Donaire and Broner all had their profile increase the fastest in the years when they thought 4 times. Stay in the public's eye.

Why do that when you have an over 100 million viewer base on FOX? And showtime already has an app.

What I meant was with his 200+ boxers, he could have locked down his own platform, making his own dates and not relying on television dates to get his guys fights. He could have set his own schedule, had all the fights on one platform, used his money more wisely while also having money coming in through the paywall of the app. But why would he do that when he believed he could make boxing a mainstream sport again? Do you understand what a big deal it is for a major over the air big 4 network to commit 60-70 million a year to boxing? After network TV has been practically allergic to boxing since the 1980s? Yes, DAZN is offering a lot of money, just like HBO used to back in the day. But big fights being behind a paywall is what turned boxing into a niche sport. Haymon is trying to go in a completely different direction from what you're suggesting. He's trying to turn PBC into a major sports league like the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, WWE, UFC, MLS, etc.

Haymon's goal was to make boxing a mainstream sport again. Get back on network TV. Etc. Hiding behind an app would accomplish the exact opposite of what Haymon's trying to accomplish. For existing boxing fans that were buying Canelo's PPVs, DAZN is a great change, but it's difficult to make new fans when you're out of sight and out of mind. Boxing being on FOX every month, being promoted on FOX during NFL games, during WWE events, during MLB games, etc is a chance for boxing to become a mainstream sport again and eventually be worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year in TV rights like other sports. As for Showtime's ratings, you're looking at their Nielsen ratings, which are terribly misleading. Showtime has millions of subscribers that don't subscribe through cable or satellite. They subscribe directly, through Amazon, etc and aren't counted by Nielsen. Unlike HBO, Showtime offers live fights on their app. There's no reason to watch through a linear TV channel and Showtime's app is way cheaper too. What I meant was with his 200+ boxers, he could have locked down his own platform, making his own dates and not relying on television dates to get his guys fights. He could have set his own schedule, had all the fights on one platform, used his money more wisely while also having money coming in through the paywall of the app. He could have brought in other promoters to do business on his platform and had his fighters fight guys from other stables. If anyone could have gotten somewhat close to what the UFC does it would have been Haymon and PBC but they blew it IMO by splintering into 5 different networks, putting on subpar fights on OTA tv while saving all the top fights for Showtime and then not building on good wins from their guys but instead their guys are taking steps backwards in opposition lately and some are begging for fights on social media. Al Haymon may be a great businessman, I dont know, but I think he went about the whole PBC thing all wrong at the beginning. Maybe this time around it will be better. Hope so anyway

Nice. I've not found any girls who dig boxing realllllly. You need to sabotage her relationship like some weirdo dude would do lol. It'd be worth the bad karma & violation of the man code for the upside there I think maybe. Well it's not a man code violation since I don't know the guy lol.

I said at the beginning that PBC would have been great had it been in an app with a monthly fee of 5 to 10 dollars giving us all the fights they have shown on showtime, Fox, CBS, etc....they wasted all that money the first few years with time buys and the ratings weren't fantastic and showtime never has good ratings Haymon's goal was to make boxing a mainstream sport again. Get back on network TV. Etc. Hiding behind an app would accomplish the exact opposite of what Haymon's trying to accomplish. For existing boxing fans that were buying Canelo's PPVs, DAZN is a great change, but it's difficult to make new fans when you're out of sight and out of mind. Boxing being on FOX every month, being promoted on FOX during NFL games, during WWE events, during MLB games, etc is a chance for boxing to become a mainstream sport again and eventually be worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year in TV rights like other sports. As for Showtime's ratings, you're looking at their Nielsen ratings, which are terribly misleading. Showtime has millions of subscribers that don't subscribe through cable or satellite. They subscribe directly, through Amazon, etc and aren't counted by Nielsen. Unlike HBO, Showtime offers live fights on their app. There's no reason to watch through a linear TV channel and Showtime's app is way cheaper too.

There is no real answer to what is best for boxing because not all fights have the same size, big, small... Fighters and promoters want huge money for risky fights. Where will the money come from? Free tv is half the answer, the rest has to be paid by the viewers.

What difference do time buys vs non-time buys make in keeping guys active + making more quality fights? I'd say none. You should still be trying to keep guys active & you still should be trying to make the best fights to make as much as you can from the advertising time you are selling via your time buys vs what you paid for that time. Yep. Good luck with that lol. I think we are still a long way off from casual fans being knowledge about boxing like they used to be back in the day like the 40's or hell even the 70's & 80's. I'll still randomly run into cats who'll claim to be a boxing fan that'll talk about 80's fights like they happened last week or those guys are still fighting lmfao. Its actually a true joke when I say that most of the cats I run into who I'll find out like boxing will mention SRL, Hagler, Tyson, Holyfield or Mosley as their favorite ACTIVE fighter lol. I guess active means not dead to these mfers or something maybe. I'll just go with it & then my follow up question is usually what prospect or up & coming guy do you like & I'll get a confused look or they'll finally cop to the fact they "don't watch boxing too much these days". Only co worker I can discuss boxing with is this female. She's like a real boxing fan and sports in general and she baaaddd too. Would have asked her to marry me but she's already taken. Smh.

If I had a dollar for every time a hater said PBC was "going outta business" or "dead" or a non-PBC hater was saying "everything is bout to be working" I'd be the Bill Gates of sh^ttalking on Boxing Forums. I'll believe it when I see it. I love the PBC roster. I think Al Haymon is such a genuine good guy who cares about his fighters he might legit be a myth cuz surely no one like that can really exist lol. But I don't believe PBC has a clue in the world what boxing fans want or if they do they don't seem to have that high on their to do list & thats a problem for them catching fire & its why they've never really caught fire with fans despite the best roster in the game. It just shows you can have the best roster in the game, but if you don't make the fights it's not gonna have as much upside as it could. I'll take the over on "any day now" lol. Go look at 2015 & 2016. They had dates galore. And guys still were in limbo for too long. This isn't a dates thing. These guys are shuffling the deck with venues til the last minute or got something going on differently behind the scenes cuz these guys can't even control keeping their own fighters in the cycle enough. And maybe thats simply because Haymon has 200 or however many guys. Maybe thats why Spence is 4 months from his last fight & still w/o a fight. Again they had 40+ cards in 2015 & 2016 I'm almost positive (if it wasn't such a hassle to count them with all the different promoters I'd go look it up real quick). Idk about 2017 & 2018. I've followed the overall flow of the PBC product less in the last couple years. So fair play with this specific point in time between deals, but the problem is when they weren't between deals they weren't doing a whole lot that made sense & controlled the narrative so following the you can't teach an old dog new tricks theory I tend to believe nothing will change. Those 40+ dates were time buys over what 8-9 networks. They better be able to have 40+ cards over 8 networks. After 2016 one by one their time buy deals dried up. ESPN gone, Spike gone, NBC and NBC Sports gone. CBS went from I think like 8 shows that first year to one each in 2016 and 2017 and none this year. We we see really soon. I hope all are successful so I can discuss boxing with my co-workers.

He tried to do something better but jealousy from other promoters stopped that. All of the racist fans never supported him and called him every name in the book even though he never did an interview. Oscar Arum WBO etc made him spend money on frivolous lawsuits and that kind of slowed down PBC (which was their plan). Now Hearn is saying fighters will have to sign with DAZN just to fight a fighter signed with DAZN and know him and Oscar are poaching fighters under contract on twitter. Just imagine if Haymon did that. The crybabies would be running to the courthouse Can’t really argue with this

When's the last time you watched a good fight between quality opponents for free? Last week.

Lol... "I wish they would have charged me money for the past 3 years because I don't like watching boxing for free." :lol1: I think PBC has been underwhelming in their delivery but being on TV isn't a problem for me. When's the last time you watched a good fight between quality opponents for free?

I mean okay, but we've seen the PBC game for like 3.5yrs now right? What makes anyone think PBC is gonna learn? I think it took them a year to figure out they should put guys in fights where they are from vs putting Florida guys in fights in California. I'd love for you to be right, but I think PBC is hard headed in their operation of this product & keep trying to put square pegs in round holes. PBC needs to do some basic ground level sh^t if they are gonna be the king of boxing moving forward. They need a public facing mouthpiece for PBC. If thats a guy who's talking to Elie, Nes &/or Mannix & all the boxing media guys out there as he's driving his car to get some taco bell for lunch or if thats some suit wearing official mfer who's sole job is to steer the PBC narrative & to get the PBC fighters & events stories out in the media on a daily or weekly basis or if there is just some Fox/Showtime show or podcast or Youtube show or something public facing where there is a narrative being steered with what the f#ck is going on with PBC guys. They also need to quit this sh^t with guys being on the sidelines after fights for so long. I was b^tching & moaning in another thread about one of my favorite fighters, Errol Spence, STILL being on the sidelines after a 1 rd KO in June. He's not fought, he doesn't got a fight schedule. His rumored dates have already been pushed back a couple months. And this isn't a new thing. Spence has already had a couple layoffs of over 6 months in recent years for no damn reason. He's healthy, he's not cut, he's not taken a lot of damage, he seems ready & willing to fight yet no f#cking fight. PBC needs to play the game everyone else is playing with this. Canelo beat GGG & was talking about a fight in Dec. the same week. Farmer won last night & he's allegedly going to be on that same card with Canelo. Joshua had his Apr. date booked before his Sept. fight took place. Loma had an injury but before he was even fully cleared of his injury in the media there was talk of a Dec. fight. Bud just won a week or w/e a go & he's got a rumored Apr./May date. This is how mfers operate in this sphere & it gives you double the news in the media cuz people are talking about your fight, people are talking about your announced fight & then people are talking about that fight as we get within the 4-6 week period of the fight happening. PBC guys just get a fight announced 4-6 weeks before it happens & their names aren't in the media as much & when their names are showing up its cuz fans are asking why they aren't fighting which while a narrative is a negative narrative for boxers. And lastly they need to bite the f#cking bullet & make more of their top guys fight. This undefeated bs or the damage of taking an L to another top guy is so overrated & the promoters are the ones who still think fans want undefeated over good f#cking fights & are the bigger problems with that. Promoters stuck in 1985 or some sh^t. But anyway PBC has 147 & 154 on lock & they need to have those guys fight each other. 147 could've had a clear #1 guy reigning in that division by now. And 154 just recently had guys start fighting each other when there was no reason to sit on those guys from the get go. You coulda made Hurd or Charlo a much bigger name by now & had 154 decided as to who's running that division. And there are plenty of other examples of top guys in the same division who shoulda fought by now & we should already have new fights in those divisions we wanna see. /rant, but I believe a lot of solid compliments of the holes in what PBC is attempting to do or at least things they could be doing that would benefit their product. I think what PBC was trying to accomplish at first looks to be happenning. Especially with these new deals an extensions. It took longer than they planned because of the various lawsuits they had to deal with I imagine. But it seems to be coming into fruition now. I mean, they seem to have a monthly schedule now that's supposedly supposed to be revealed any day now. They never had a set schedule. SHO may do 2 fights back to back weekends in one months than go 2 months with nothing. Fox have a card in January than not another one until May. But now starting in Dec, there is a cars every month on Fox, on FS1, on SHO. They haven't had a (major) PBC card since Sep they also had a smaller FS1 card in Sep to. But nothing has been scheduled since the deals have been announced and when they were announced those press releases said when the deals kicled off. So I'm not surprised there hasn't been anything scheduled sense. All the cards happening in Dec were already in the works before the deals took place. Now if once they get everything up and running and by end of 2019, Tank, Spence, Mikey, Charlo's, ect don't have 2-3 fights under their belt than that's a major problem. But with now with 40+ cards that will be in effect from Dec 1 2018 to the end of Dec 2019 that "shouldn't" be a problem.

Lol... "I wish they would have charged me money for the past 3 years because I don't like watching boxing for free." :lol1: I think PBC has been underwhelming in their delivery but being on TV isn't a problem for me.

I'm glad. Hope they're successful shows and all the other apps out there espn+ dazn and others do the same. It's always been my opinion that of all the problems boxing has inactivity of fighters has been what hurts the sport the most. It's not inactivity that hurts them it's promotion. Example, why aren't features done about boxers on ESPN and FS1? Only time they get features are on fight week. ESPN talk about NFL and NBA and MLB players all year round. Even in their offseason. When a boxer is not fighting that's their offseason. So why isn't there segments on what Errol Spence is up to now, what Andre Ward has been doin since retirement ect? We know when LeBron James farts or what he ate which gave him gas so why can't boxing get something like that in Sportscenter. NFL Gameday comes on every day even in the offseason (maybe once a week but still.) Show boxing some love.

Well they have that now. PBC will have a has a monthly show on Fox, FS1 and Showtime each starting in December. The Fox shows look to be the 3rd Saturday of each month. Dec 22 Barclays Jan 19 MGM Feb 16 MGM Mar 16 MGM No word on when the SHO and FS1 dates will be. I'm glad. Hope they're successful shows and all the other apps out there espn+ dazn and others do the same. It's always been my opinion that of all the problems boxing has inactivity of fighters has been what hurts the sport the most.

Well first you can't compare the popularity of football in this country to boxing. Boxing has a much smaller following. If you're going to try to build a larger following, you have to have a single place casuals can tune in week by week. You have to familiarize them with the big names, in the sport by putting them on even if it's a tune up fight. This is all my opinion of course. Well they have that now. PBC will have a has a monthly show on Fox, FS1 and Showtime each starting in December. The Fox shows look to be the 3rd Saturday of each month. Dec 22 Barclays Jan 19 MGM Feb 16 MGM Mar 16 MGM No word on when the SHO and FS1 dates will be.

NCAA Football comes on like 19 different networks. How is it a problem when boxing does it, smh. The other promoters killed it IMO. Lawsuits from Arum and Oscar only for them to go to a network that PBC tool over (ESPN.) After that PBC started putting subpar matches on but they started with a somewhat bang People were up in arms with PBC taking aways Friday Night Fights. But I've yet to see someone ask Arum to bring Friday Night Fights back sinxe he's on ESPN now. Well first you can't compare the popularity of football in this country to boxing. Boxing has a much smaller following. If you're going to try to build a larger following, you have to have a single place casuals can tune in week by week. You have to familiarize them with the big names, in the sport by putting them on even if it's a tune up fight. This is all my opinion of course.

In my opinion where PBC went wrong was too many networks at different times. I would have loved for them to stick to a weekly or biweekly boxing show on the same network at the same time. NCAA Football comes on like 19 different networks. How is it a problem when boxing does it, smh. The other promoters killed it IMO. Lawsuits from Arum and Oscar only for them to go to a network that PBC tool over (ESPN.) After that PBC started putting subpar matches on but they started with a somewhat bang People were up in arms with PBC taking aways Friday Night Fights. But I've yet to see someone ask Arum to bring Friday Night Fights back sinxe he's on ESPN now.