Will Golovkin retire as an all time great?

If Golovkin beats Canelo will he be an all time great? If he loses to Canelo will he be one?That depends on who you ask. I think he will eventually be considered an all time great perhaps 10 or 20 years from now. Great boxers seldom get full respect when they first retire. They get more respect as time passes.

GGG is a middleweight by choice. When he turned pro he could make super lightweight but he wanted to be a mw unlike some other pu66ys who always starve themselves to death so they can keep fighting smaller guys. He has no reason to move up he is not even a big middleweight Tom loeffler is that you?? Gennady can cut off his arm and still be over 140

he should be, i mean "anyone from 154 to 168" , "all the belts", "im not a businessman".. what else can you ask from a fighter? ... Hmm it’s really hard to detect sarcasm online

Lara called ggg out prior to Brooks or Vanes even being a thought! This was fresh in time for his famous promise of fighting anyone from 154 to 168! But post Canelo and the problem ggg has with moving target it is obvious ggg didn’t want Lara exposing his weakness! But Ggg ducked Lara Laras own manager said they werent really interested.

Canelo is coming from a lower division and you have people on here he's an ATG if he beats Canelo. Brook came from a lower division. There's a few names on GGGs resume who were coming from 154. It took Hagler 6 years to reach 49 fights, GGG is 36, been a pro for 12 years and has yet to even fight 40 times. Different times and eras. Will GGG move up and continue to fight tough names is the questionGGG is a middleweight by choice. When he turned pro he could make super lightweight but he wanted to be a mw unlike some other pu66ys who always starve themselves to death so they can keep fighting smaller guys. He has no reason to move up he is not even a big middleweight

If Golovkin beats Canelo will he be an all time great? If he loses to Canelo will he be one? Nope...........

Hagler would be crucified on this forum if he was an active fighter today. Pretty much every big win he had were against men that started at much smaller weights than him. Actually he'd have probably been labeled a bum for them earlier draws and losses... Today, that's enough to get called a hypejob, bum, weight bully or whatever else. hagler had losses to c level fighters and all his big wins were against smaller guys but still there are people who rank him above Monzon.. lol I was watching his first fight against little Antuaferno the other day who was chasing Hagler around the ring. I couldnt see GGG going 15 rounds with such a small guy

hell no! the guy spent a good deal of his prime in the amateurs and in europe in obscurity. when he first got to the US nobody would fight him, and you can't rate a guy entirely based on who he was ducked by, it just gets too subjective. yes, he was a very good middleweight with a good run. ATG? no f#cking way! marvin hagler, carlos monzon, bernard hopkins, harry greb, sugar ray robinson. does gennady golovkin fit in with those guys :lol1:?Yes Golovkin certainly fits in with this guys,Bernard Hopkins doesnt.

no...............

People complain that he fought Brooks and Vanes. Why would fighting Lara be any different? Lara called ggg out prior to Brooks or Vanes even being a thought! This was fresh in time for his famous promise of fighting anyone from 154 to 168! But post Canelo and the problem ggg has with moving target it is obvious ggg didn’t want Lara exposing his weakness! But Ggg ducked Lara

he should be, i mean "anyone from 154 to 168" , "all the belts", "im not a businessman".. what else can you ask from a fighter? ... totally...talking the talk is what its all about!

he should be, i mean "anyone from 154 to 168" , "all the belts", "im not a businessman".. what else can you ask from a fighter? ...

I think you just know it when a fighter is an ATG. He is the best in MW division right now and has been for years but time isnt on his side. If he clobbers Canelo its a step in the right direction for sure but I think it will take a few more big wins to put that ATG stamp on him. I really like Golovkin in and out of the ring but real is real.

Cuz Lou DiBella basically said there was no way Sergio Martinez would fight GGG back in the day. Cuz all the big names who were close to fighting GGG back when GGG was younger fell through for this reason or that reason that seemed beyond his control. Everything that could go wrong with GGG's stepping into the mainstream boxing arena sooner seemed to go wrong. GGG coulda been on the level with the mainstream fans like he is now so much sooner in his trajectory in this sport & thats one of the things thats a disappointment to me about boxing. You gotta be a businessman & a boxer in this sport when in most other sports if you are merely a high level athlete you & the fans get to find out how good you are at a much quicker pace or at all cuz many a boxer in this sport has been f#cked over or had their success minimized early on cuz of who they knew or who they didn't know. Boxing should be about what happens in the ring not what happens out of it is all I'm saying & boxing will be a better sport when thats the reality like its a reality in most other major sports. And this starts long before the pros.

All time great is subjective & kinda bs so who cares. GGG was among the best of his day & looking at his career closer it seems he was cheated of the ability to reach his full potential by the best guys in his division not wanting to fight him at all or sooner than they did + his early promotional choices. But all you can be is the best of your time. Everything else is my dad can beat up your dad child-like bs. And randomly as a fan of boxing I sorta hate how boxing works. The top guys in any division should be in a pool of fighters by themselves & there isn't any business or politics that can get in the way from the best reaching their max potential by fighting each other. Boxing at the tip top should be as competitive as staying in a starting position in the NFL. There are only so many slots & your position is always up for grabs if you get caught slipping or father time comes for your ass. I think if at some future date boxing does take on a more logical structure for fans, boxers & entertainment people will look back on these times as awful times for the sport overall. Good post, appreciate the levity. Even if beats Canelo, not an ATG but I think it's borderline. He'll need a couple more quality wins, preferably brutal ones that pushes him over the hump. GGG will have surpassed Hopkins resume at 160 if he does so imo. A lot depends on what the other MW's do during the rest of their career. People are only looking at current events & not forecasting how things could play out. Sure, it may turn out even worse for him, but the question is "could" it be benificial? If he unifies the division? Jacobs & Canelo both go on to do more things in the division? This will certainly raise his stock. What if he goes on to fight & beat Saunders who's only a year older than Canelo & is a tough match-up for anyone in the division. It doesn't just depend what GGG does, but what his best wins do. We could all be looking back in 10 years with a more appreciative view of what the man accomplished with only a couple more fights. Big "if's" & he needs help even if he fulfills his end of the bargain. :fingersx: I still think the odds are stacked against him, simply for how his career has played out early on, he didn't get the same chances as others were granted although I do think his team shot him in the foot a bit by not conceding weight on either Cotto/Canelo a couple years ago. There's nothing saying that either would have stood behind their words, but he could have done more imo to make those fights & quicken his rise to stardom. Here's to hoping he can keep defying father time, he's one of the good guys in the sport that deserves the recognition. :beerchug:

I agree that’s why I have Audley Harrison above Golovkin Audley Harrison had a 46-8 record and never won a world championship. Winning a Gold Medal doesn't automatically mean he had a great amateur career. Take away that gold medal and his amateur career is pretty poor. Then he had an abysmal pro career on top of it. Not to mention he had no significant wins as an amateur. Golovkin can at least boast wins over: Dirrell, Geale, Lee, Korobov, Bute. 3 of which became future world champions in the pros. Korobov went onto become an amateur world champion as well. Nice try though.

If GGG breaks Hopkins' MW title fight defense record and unifies the division, he would easily be considered and ATG. No question for me. But lets be honest......his style is not made for longevity and he's already slowing down. He don't have much more time to get a lot more done. He might have two years left in my opinion and it's all down hill from here. What record? the Regular belt doesn't count :rofl:

Is this even a question? He's unquestionably an ATG (if he beats Canelo). You have to consider his pro career AND his amateur career, which was legendary. - world champion, silver medalist. 345 wins. For just that amateur career alone he belongs there. Then you factor in his pro career which was also great, although not as great as his amateur career. When people speak of Golovkin they act like he was this unknown guy who came out of nowhere, had a bunch of knockout wins and HBO got behind him. Completely dismissing that he was a legend in the amateur ranks and paid his dues there. I agree that’s why I have Audley Harrison above Golovkin

He already is..

Is this even a question? He's unquestionably an ATG (if he beats Canelo). You have to consider his pro career AND his amateur career, which was legendary. - world champion, silver medalist. 345 wins. For just that amateur career alone he belongs there. Then you factor in his pro career which was also great, although not as great as his amateur career. When people speak of Golovkin they act like he was this unknown guy who came out of nowhere, had a bunch of knockout wins and HBO got behind him. Completely dismissing that he was a legend in the amateur ranks and paid his dues there.