I must admit that I'm not that impressed when I look at Deontay Wilder's oppo on his record.
BUT, the fact that he stopped all of those cats is VERY VERY impressive. Some are bad boyz, like Scott, Ortiz or Stiverne.
I wanted to talk about D power, and from where this power comes from.
I don't think D is the most powerfull HW in the game, Joshua might have more power IMO, from the eye test.
Yet D is the most dangerous HW in the game.
Here is why IMO
His reach/leverage, his awkard angles, his speed, his thin knuckles, his will to kill his oppo and the way he (over)loads his punches are all those x factors wich multiplies his power by X and makes of D one of the most dangerous HW all time.
That dude is a straight killer ala Saddler or Tommy Hearns.
The sad thing is this ability to ko his opponents led him to neglect his skills, especially his defense.
The weird thing is Deontay get sometimes outboxed but he never really get hit CLEAN, he always see the punches coming up with his size advantage, dude got a sharp eye.
He has insane power in his straight right hand, one of the most devastating shots there is.
I think he actually lacks power in every other punch as weird as that may sound. He lives and dies by that straight right which is fine as long as he can continue to find a way to set it up.
Only recently, which should be a lesson for him. He is falling in love with that one two. He nearly got in trouble with that against Ortiz. He needs to go back to what he use to do before. Box! and then the opening would come for that one two.
beyonce's power is vastly over rated. he failed to knock out stirverne who's a bum couldn't even cleanly put away a 50 year old man. as soon as beyonce steps up his power will go away.
Very overrated!! He doesn't have any power at all compared to "THE INCREDIBLE HULK"
beyonce's power is vastly over rated. he failed to knock out stirverne who's a bum couldn't even cleanly put away a 50 year old man. as soon as beyonce steps up his power will go away.
hes knocked out guys he should knock out. 99 percent of them have been useless and the other 1 percent was 50 years old.
same could be said of AJ. wlad was older than Ortiz, coming off a loss and a big lay off and had been stopped 3 times before.
AJ has had one fight against a possible top 5 Heavyweight that wasn't shot and he never looked like stopping him in a million years. That's not a dig at him, it's just boxing. You're not going to stop everyone to easily when you go through the ranks.
AJ couldn't even properly stop Takam, he had to get the ref to jump in after a missed flurry. lol, even Del Boy flattened him in better fashion. And as for guys like Breazeale, they are garbage, Journeyman Mansour nearly had him out of there.
AJ has also only stopped fighters that he should stop, the same can be said of many fighters.
Wilder can crack for sure, but he seems to need the range and a pretty static target to land effectively.
That could be true, but what the Ortiz fight showed was that he doesn’t lose confidence in his power, and it carries late into the fight.
That means you’ve got to be on your game for 12 rounds and not let your guard down, otherwise he could get you.
Joe Louis had a similar kinda outlook on his fights. He often dropped many rounds, but if you make a small mistake, or your feet were a split second too slow, then it’s lights out. Billy Conn knows the feeling :lol1:
It’s a psycholically stressful situation. Be very interesting to see how Fury deals with it. Wlad was tamed by Furys movement and stopped putting full power into his shots to compensate. Wilder won’t do that. That guy will keep swinging if his fists are hitting chins or hitting the ringside seats lol
He has insane power in his straight right hand, one of the most devastating shots there is.
I think he actually lacks power in every other punch as weird as that may sound. He lives and dies by that straight right which is fine as long as he can continue to find a way to set it up.
Wilder can crack for sure, but he seems to need the range and a pretty static target to land effectively.
He is all arms and legs if you get my meaning, huge lanky levers generate whip like power.
It's hard for someone to get inside his octopus like frame and bust him up, Ortiz had the most success IMO, but being over forty he just could keep up with the pace Wilder can set.
That said, knocking out 30 odd total bums in the HW division is not really any type of achievement.
He’s an excellent puncher. Just because he was ‘supposed’ to knock out most of his opp, doesn’t mean they were supposed to be nailed to the canvas twitching.
He has the ability to throw his shots recklessly. A lot of people would say that was a negative, and maybe it is in the right context, but it also means when he lets loose with a big shot, there isn’t a single part of his body holding his momentum back.
Other great fighters did this, albeit in a more controlled way. SRR comes to mind. When he threw a shot, he *****ing threw it.
Its a myth that he loads up. Straight right 5th round against Ortiz was untelegrapged from the hip
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well spotted, scary power
It’s the real deal, he’s punching thru heavyweights guard and hurting opponents with either slight shots or whimsical punches!
If he had technique he would be unstoppable but then again he wouldn’t be as dangerous due to his unorthodox style and his punches coming from all angles when he has an opponent hurt!
Tyson Fury is gonna add another great feather to his cap when he outboxes and beat the most dangerous heavyweight in the division!
-Stiverne is garbage. He was never a top 5 heavyweight. Never even a top 10 heavyweight in my opinion (and if he was, that says bad things about the division in general). He would have lost to AJ, Wladimir, Povetkin, Fury, Ortiz, and the list goes on. Probably would have lost to Parker and Whyte as well, and of course I'm talking before the second Wilder fight.
-Scott obviously took a dive/quit.
-Ortiz is old, and Wilder had extra long recovery with that doctor checkup and all, which was bull**** in my opinion. I have never seen that happen in any major fight.
Wilder has great power, for sure, but his opponents are complete garbage. Is there anyone on his resume you wouldn't see a guy like George Foreman or Mike Tyson stopping?
Also, Wilder is apart of the new breed of heavyweight that seems to be rising in popularity this era. What I prefer to call a, "Super Heavyweight".
Stiverne was easily top 5, he had 2 quality wins against Arreola, and a win against Austin. He was also one of the biggest punchers in the division even doing what Vitali couldn't vs Arreola and that's cold clock him.
Pedvetkin went life and death with a cruiser like Huck who wasn't even top 5 in his own division and Chagaev too.
Andy Ruiz broke top 15 with the biggest name being Austin years after Stiverne beat him, Hughie Fury too with a win over Fred Kassi, both men arguably beat Parker who was around top 5.
Foreman struggled putting away guys like 197lb Gregorio Peralta who was some random Argentine journeyman. He also got out boxed and dropped by Jimmy Young who was losing to no-names himself and is not a puncher in the least.
Most of the guys Tyson failed to KO were bigger guys like Green, Tucker, Smith, etc. These guys aren't much bigger than Eric Molina (6'4 230), Molina is actually around the same size as prime Foreman.
Dillian Whyte is another big guy, 6'4 250, around the same size as Golota who looked like a monster in the 90's. But nobody thinks of Whyte being some sort of monster, he looks average.
-Stiverne is garbage. He was never a top 5 heavyweight. Never even a top 10 heavyweight in my opinion (and if he was, that says bad things about the division in general). He would have lost to AJ, Wladimir, Povetkin, Fury, Ortiz, and the list goes on. Probably would have lost to Parker and Whyte as well, and of course I'm talking before the second Wilder fight.
-Scott obviously took a dive/quit.
-Ortiz is old, and Wilder had extra long recovery with that doctor checkup and all, which was bull**** in my opinion. I have never seen that happen in any major fight.
Wilder has great power, for sure, but his opponents are complete garbage. Is there anyone on his resume you wouldn't see a guy like George Foreman or Mike Tyson stopping?
Also, Wilder is apart of the new breed of heavyweight that seems to be rising in popularity this era. What I prefer to call a, "Super Heavyweight".
Have you ever seen a fighter call his own time out.
I think you know the one in talking about.
He is a hard puncher for sure although I fail to understand the value of thin knuckles for hard punching. I think the speed of his punches is why they are so hard. AJ also has a near perfect KO record. I wouldn't compare him with Saddler or Hearns. They hit with great power and defeated much better opponents than Wilder has ever fought. Hearns and Saddler threw beautiful perfect punches. Wilder throws fast hard punches and sometimes almost by accident he throws a correct punch. Often he throws some of the widest, wildest horrible looking slop I have ever seen a world champion boxer throw.
No he has the most power in the division for sure....he just lacks alot of fundamentals. But he does stuff his own way and it works for him, like how he baited Ortiz in for that counter right hand that basically ended the fight, was impressive to me.
SCott was a bad boy? Fat, ill, retired Stiverne?
The only impressive win on his resume is Ortiz and it took him ages to stop him.
His power is real but lets not start this useless hype. Plus he starts far too slow.
I said myself his resume isn't impressive at all.
Beating Scott and Stiverne isn't impressive but the way he stopped them was.
-Stiverne is garbage. He was never a top 5 heavyweight. Never even a top 10 heavyweight in my opinion (and if he was, that says bad things about the division in general). He would have lost to AJ, Wladimir, Povetkin, Fury, Ortiz, and the list goes on. Probably would have lost to Parker and Whyte as well, and of course I'm talking before the second Wilder fight.
-Scott obviously took a dive/quit.
-Ortiz is old, and Wilder had extra long recovery with that doctor checkup and all, which was bull**** in my opinion. I have never seen that happen in any major fight.
Wilder has great power, for sure, but his opponents are complete garbage. Is there anyone on his resume you wouldn't see a guy like George Foreman or Mike Tyson stopping?
Also, Wilder is apart of the new breed of heavyweight that seems to be rising in popularity this era. What I prefer to call a, "Super Heavyweight".
Like I said, beating Stiverne isn't something crazy, but to stop a solid block like him in few minutes is impressive.
I must admit that I'm not that impressed when I look at Deontay Wilder's oppo on his record.
BUT, the fact that he stopped all of those cats is VERY VERY impressive. Some are bad boyz, like Scott, Ortiz or Stiverne.
I wanted to talk about D power, and from where this power comes from.
I don't think D is the most powerfull HW in the game, Joshua might have more power IMO, from the eye test.
Yet D is the most dangerous HW in the game.
Here is why IMO
His reach/leverage, his awkard angles, his speed, his thin knuckles, his will to kill his oppo and the way he (over)loads his punches are all those x factors wich multiplies his power by X and makes of D one of the most dangerous HW all time.
That dude is a straight killer ala Saddler or Tommy Hearns.
The sad thing is this ability to ko his opponents led him to neglect his skills, especially his defense.
The weird thing is Deontay get sometimes outboxed but he never really get hit CLEAN, he always see the punches coming up with his size advantage, dude got a sharp eye.
SCott was a bad boy? Fat, ill, retired Stiverne?
The only impressive win on his resume is Ortiz and it took him ages to stop him.
His power is real but lets not start this useless hype. Plus he starts far too slow.
Its a myth that he loads up. Straight right 5th round against Ortiz was untelegrapged from the hip
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You can clearly see the hip movement here.
It's pretty much obvious that Wilder loads up a lot, starting with the windmills.
-Stiverne is garbage. He was never a top 5 heavyweight. Never even a top 10 heavyweight in my opinion (and if he was, that says bad things about the division in general). He would have lost to AJ, Wladimir, Povetkin, Fury, Ortiz, and the list goes on. Probably would have lost to Parker and Whyte as well, and of course I'm talking before the second Wilder fight.
-Scott obviously took a dive/quit.
-Ortiz is old, and Wilder had extra long recovery with that doctor checkup and all, which was bull**** in my opinion. I have never seen that happen in any major fight.
Wilder has great power, for sure, but his opponents are complete garbage. Is there anyone on his resume you wouldn't see a guy like George Foreman or Mike Tyson stopping?
Also, Wilder is apart of the new breed of heavyweight that seems to be rising in popularity this era. What I prefer to call a, "Super Heavyweight".
I've seen the ref check happen in another fight in NY. Can't remember what the fight was though. For some reason I'm thinking it was a Thurman fight...but I'm likely way off.