Wilder is very smart

Fury being Wlad's mando with both the WBO and WBA wouldn't have made any difference at all to the unification >> mando situation, especially as the only mando which had actually been ordered was the WBA. Doesn't make a difference?!? You need two exceptions instead of one and it's tougher to get an exception when you're requesting to take a smaller fight. Didn't say it wasn't possible, just more difficult. So now I'm confused. Please explain why you think that Wilder couldn't have negotiated a unification with Wlad, but AJ could have carried on negotiating with Wilder, even though the WBA had given him a 24 hour deadline to finalise a deal with Povetkin or be stripped. Didn't say couldn't. You're not confused. You're just lying about what I said. Worse, you're also lying about what the WBA said. The WBA never said AJ had 24 hours to finalize a deal or he'd be stripped. He took a lot longer than 24 hours to finalize a deal and he wasn't stripped. You're completely making things up.

yes he wasn't ready thus proving the other guys point. its like you type things and don't understand what you are even saying. The "other guy" said Wilder ducked unification. Unification isn't possible unless you, uh, have a title. When Wilder won his title, Klitschko had already agreed to fight Jennings. So when was this unification supposed to take place? Wilder's two quick defenses were before the Fury fight. How did Wilder duck unification if Klitschko was already signed for a different fight and then lost all of his titles?

Deontay may not be smart but he is definitely no fool either. At one point he was willing to give up all that leverage to Joshua just to fight him in the U.K. However, not anymore. He has wised up after Hearn had spurned his counter offer of $50mil and then pulled the rug out from under him just when he was ready to sign to fight Anthony Joshua for a Fall bout at Wembley this year. However little that Hearn knew that Wilder had a secret back up plan all along that he didn't let on to. Which was, he had been in secret talks and negotiations with Frank Warren and Tyson Fury for a potential bout in December of this year. After this Saturday night Matchroom Boxing thought that they were the end of heavyweight boxing. As if they were the only game in town to play but boy did Deontay Wilder show them. They underestimated him. He was playing with a much stronger hand than they had previously thought. It's because with a poker face this little Black boy from the country, this so-called Hillbilly from Tuscaloosa Alabama; Simply outwitted, outmaneuvered Matchroom boxing at their own game. Which not only make him smart but also a Godddamned genius.

am I the only one who thought Whyte looked bad against the Parker fight?

As many others pointed out, Finkel himself said Wilder is nowhere ready to face Klitschko, even when Wilder himself was the WBC champion, that tells you everything you need to know about Wilder and his team. Good post btw, green Karma.

Deontay Wilder is a lot of things but smart is not one of them :rofl:

"It's well known that Finkel worked with Bernd Boente on setting up Wlad and Vitali's US fights. " Finkel was not Klitchkos manager after 2008 he was a semi advisor and Finkel was not even part of the Joshua vs Klitchko fight bc he was frozen out by Hearn on it bc he knew Finkel was bad for negotiating thats why the fight got made easily ! Finkels job with Wilder was to wait until Klitchko retired to get Wilder actual relevant fights which took 40 fights ! If Fury looks a lot better against Pianeta than he did against Seferi, the Fury/Wilder negotiations going on between Finkel and Warren will suddenly hit a brick wall and break down. That's how Wilder and his team operate.

yes he wasn't ready thus proving the other guys point. its like you type things and don't understand what you are even saying. Finkel himself said that Wilder - 29 years old, 33 - 0, WBC champion - wasn't ready for Wlad. https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-not-rushed-klitschko-says-finkel--86714 Finkel was working with Wlad at that time, as the article says, but he wasn't Wlad's manager, Bernd Boente was.

This is a lie. Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion. Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory. Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager, who said Wilder needed two quick defenses before he'd be ready for Klitschko. So Wilder made two quick defenses before Klitschko even fought Fury. Wilder went public in a major article before the Klitschko/Fury fight calling out Klitschko for a fight in 2016. A fight being planned by Finkel for SHO PPV as soon as Klitschko's HBO deal was up. Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan. But your claim that Wilder avoided unification is ridiculous because Klitschko lost all of his titles the same year Wilder won his title. yes he wasn't ready thus proving the other guys point. its like you type things and don't understand what you are even saying.

That moment when the wbo ibo and whatever else tries to defend wilder for ducking klitschko again. We have been through this before but both wilder and his trainer openly admit they ducked him. Why can’t you accept it and need to bring excuses? They have said many times they weren’t ready and didn’t want to take him on.

Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory. Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan. The previous poster said Wilder ducked unifying with Klitschko. That is a blatant lie and you know it. Wilder never had a chance to unify because Klitschko lost. Fury being Wlad's mando with both the WBO and WBA wouldn't have made any difference at all to the unification >> mando situation, especially as the only mando which had actually been ordered was the WBA. And you said this about AJ and Wilder: Unification still takes priority over mandatory, even if the mandatory has been ordered to bid, in every organization except the IBF. So now I'm confused. Please explain why you think that Wilder couldn't have negotiated a unification with Wlad, but AJ could have carried on negotiating with Wilder, even though the WBA had given him a 24 hour deadline to finalise a deal with Povetkin or be stripped.

This is a lie. Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion. Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory. Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager, who said Wilder needed two quick defenses before he'd be ready for Klitschko. So Wilder made two quick defenses before Klitschko even fought Fury. Wilder went public in a major article before the Klitschko/Fury fight calling out Klitschko for a fight in 2016. A fight being planned by Finkel for SHO PPV as soon as Klitschko's HBO deal was up. Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan. But your claim that Wilder avoided unification is ridiculous because Klitschko lost all of his titles the same year Wilder won his title. ouch...........

It's well known that Finkel worked with Bernd Boente on setting up Wlad and Vitali's US fights. To a lazy, incompetant oaf like Fat Dan, that probably counts as being the Klit bro's manager .. but not to anybody with a brain in their head. Boente was Wlad and Vitali's manager, not Finkel. Some fighters have more than one manager. To say Finkel never managed Klitschko is a lie. Klitschko vs. Wilder would have taken place in the US and Finkel was the one putting the deal together. That fight was the plan and both fighters shared a manager. The fight didn't happen because Fury won. Period. I said when Wilder won the title, Wladimir already had plans to fight Jennings. Which is true. You should apologize for saying it was a lie when I've conclusively proven you're wrong. The only possible motive that Shelly Finkel could have had for making his infamous statement about Wilder being "still a baby" and "not ready for Wlad" after he won the WBC title was that Boente had approached him - quietly, behind the scenes - to ask about matching Wilder with Wlad, and had been told "no deal" Complete bull**** on your part. Wladimir was committed to fighting Jennings on HBO already. Finkel's plan was to get two quick defenses for Wilder and then make the fight for 2016. The fight didn't happen because Klitschko lost. No other reason. Finkel wouldn't have set up that feature in Forbes hyping Klitschko vs. Wilder for 2016 if that fight wasn't being planned. The previous poster said Wilder ducked unifying with Klitschko. That is a blatant lie and you know it. Wilder never had a chance to unify because Klitschko lost. Finkel's comments about Wilder not being rushed are irrelevant because Finkel kept his word and scheduled those two defenses very quickly. Wilder would have been ready as soon as Klitschko was ready.

Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Wilder became champion January 17, 2015, at which point Klitschko was committed to a Jennings fight. Negotiations for Klitschko-Jennings began in November 2014. A deal was struck in December 2014. Then Roc Nation bought GSP and asked to renegotiate some points. Those minor modifications were completed the weekend of Stiverne-Wilder and two days later ESPN was given the exclusive to announce the fight. Wilder never had a chance to unify before the Jennings fight. You are caught in a blatant lie here. http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/12197581/wladimir-klitschko-bryant-jennings-set-april-25-madison-square-garden Klitschko and Jennings will meet for the world championship April 25 (HBO) at Madison Square Garden in New York after the deal, in the works since November, was agreed to over the weekend. Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. While you can usually get unification approved over a mandatory, it is more difficult when a fighter is a double mandatory as you need two approvals instead of one. The Fury fight was also more lucrative than a Wilder fight at that point, making the organizations less inclined to cooperate as the entire reason unification typically trumps mandatory is because the organizations want the bigger fight to happen because it puts more money in their pockets. I didn't say it would have been impossible to avoid Fury. I said difficult. The plan was to clear Klitschko of all of his mandatories, (an early 2016 fight against Glazkov would have cleared his final mandatory and made Klitschko a TV free agent in the US), and then jump from HBO to Showtime to fight Wilder on pay-per-view. Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Here's the article announcing Wilder signed with Shelly Finkel: http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3560484 The 22-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Ala., on Thursday signed a multi-year contract with powerful manager Shelly Finkel. Finkel knows a thing or two about heavyweights champions. He's managed former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer and currently manages unified titleholder Wladimir Klitschko and his older brother, former titleholder Vitali Klitschko. Lol .. you linked to an article by Dan Rafael? How desperate do you have to be to do that? It's well known that Finkel worked with Bernd Boente on setting up Wlad and Vitali's US fights. To a lazy, incompetant oaf like Fat Dan, that probably counts as being the Klit bro's manager .. but not to anybody with a brain in their head. Boente was Wlad and Vitali's manager, not Finkel. It's also well known that Wlad badly wanted to unify the HW division by winning the WBC belt after his brother vacated it. The Klits bros never negotiated in the media or made public statements about fights they were trying to make. Everything happened quietly, behind the scenes. The only possible motive that Shelly Finkel could have had for making his infamous statement about Wilder being "still a baby" and "not ready for Wlad" after he won the WBC title was that Boente had approached him - quietly, behind the scenes - to ask about matching Wilder with Wlad, and had been told "no deal" And leaving the Jennings fight aside - which Wlad himself might possibly have wanted first, before unifying with Wilder - there was absolutely no reason at all why Wilder couldn't have fought Wlad after Wlad beat Jennings. Your claim that the WBO and WBA wouldn't have delayed their mandos to allow a 4 belt unification fight between Wlad and Wilder is preposterous. Especially coming from a guy who has claimed - multiple times - that AJ could have ignored the the WBA order to finalise their mando because the IBF are the only organisation who will not always give priority to unification - even after a purse bid has been ordered.

This is a lie. Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion. Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory. Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager, who said Wilder needed two quick defenses before he'd be ready for Klitschko. So Wilder made two quick defenses before Klitschko even fought Fury. Wilder went public in a major article before the Klitschko/Fury fight calling out Klitschko for a fight in 2016. A fight being planned by Finkel for SHO PPV as soon as Klitschko's HBO deal was up. Big problem. Klitschko was shockingly upset by Fury, ruining the whole plan. But your claim that Wilder avoided unification is ridiculous because Klitschko lost all of his titles the same year Wilder won his title. Right on point and totally destroyed the thread. But some guys aren't smart enough to understand it

yeah thats why his manager said he was a baby and is not interested in a unification fight yet, thats grabbing the bull by the horns after 40 or whatever fights alrite, hes getting there though, he has multi million dollar contracts to mull over Shelly Finkel was managing Wilder and Klitschko at the time. When Finkel said Wilder wouldn't be rushed to Klitschko and needed a couple quick defenses first, Klitschko's fight against Jennings had already been announced. Finkel kept his word and scheduled two quick defenses for Wilder and then had Wilder call out Klitschko publicly in a major article before the Fury fight. The timeline clearly shows Wilder wasn't avoiding unification because those two quick defenses Finkel wanted him to make took place when Klitschko wasn't available anyway. If Klitschko didn't lose, Finkel was going to match him against Wilder in 2016.

Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Wilder became champion January 17, 2015, at which point Klitschko was committed to a Jennings fight. Negotiations for Klitschko-Jennings began in November 2014. A deal was struck in December 2014. Then Roc Nation bought GSP and asked to renegotiate some points. Those minor modifications were completed the weekend of Stiverne-Wilder and two days later ESPN was given the exclusive to announce the fight. Wilder never had a chance to unify before the Jennings fight. You are caught in a blatant lie here. http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/12197581/wladimir-klitschko-bryant-jennings-set-april-25-madison-square-garden Klitschko and Jennings will meet for the world championship April 25 (HBO) at Madison Square Garden in New York after the deal, in the works since November, was agreed to over the weekend. Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. While you can usually get unification approved over a mandatory, it is more difficult when a fighter is a double mandatory as you need two approvals instead of one. The Fury fight was also more lucrative than a Wilder fight at that point, making the organizations less inclined to cooperate as the entire reason unification typically trumps mandatory is because the organizations want the bigger fight to happen because it puts more money in their pockets. I didn't say it would have been impossible to avoid Fury. I said difficult. The plan was to clear Klitschko of all of his mandatories, (an early 2016 fight against Glazkov would have cleared his final mandatory and made Klitschko a TV free agent in the US), and then jump from HBO to Showtime to fight Wilder on pay-per-view. Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Here's the article announcing Wilder signed with Shelly Finkel: http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3560484 The 22-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Ala., on Thursday signed a multi-year contract with powerful manager Shelly Finkel. Finkel knows a thing or two about heavyweights champions. He's managed former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer and currently manages unified titleholder Wladimir Klitschko and his older brother, former titleholder Vitali Klitschko. no matter what facts you post they will argue.

basically any fight aj takes is a good fight, and anything wilder does isn't.

First lie: "Klitschko was committed to Jennings before Wilder was even a champion." Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Wilder became champion January 17, 2015, at which point Klitschko was committed to a Jennings fight. Negotiations for Klitschko-Jennings began in November 2014. A deal was struck in December 2014. Then Roc Nation bought GSP and asked to renegotiate some points. Those minor modifications were completed the weekend of Stiverne-Wilder and two days later ESPN was given the exclusive to announce the fight. Wilder never had a chance to unify before the Jennings fight. You are caught in a blatant lie here. http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/12197581/wladimir-klitschko-bryant-jennings-set-april-25-madison-square-garden Klitschko and Jennings will meet for the world championship April 25 (HBO) at Madison Square Garden in New York after the deal, in the works since November, was agreed to over the weekend. Second lie: "Then Klitschko owed Fury an overdue mandatory, which would have been difficult to avoid as Fury was simultaneously the WBA and WBO mandatory." Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. While you can usually get unification approved over a mandatory, it is more difficult when a fighter is a double mandatory as you need two approvals instead of one. The Fury fight was also more lucrative than a Wilder fight at that point, making the organizations less inclined to cooperate as the entire reason unification typically trumps mandatory is because the organizations want the bigger fight to happen because it puts more money in their pockets. I didn't say it would have been impossible to avoid Fury. I said difficult. The plan was to clear Klitschko of all of his mandatories, (an early 2016 fight against Glazkov would have cleared his final mandatory and made Klitschko a TV free agent in the US), and then jump from HBO to Showtime to fight Wilder on pay-per-view. Third lie: "Klitschko and Wilder had the same manager" Easily verifiable publicly available information conclusively proves that you are lying on this point. Here's the article announcing Wilder signed with Shelly Finkel: http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3560484 The 22-year-old from Tuscaloosa, Ala., on Thursday signed a multi-year contract with powerful manager Shelly Finkel. Finkel knows a thing or two about heavyweights champions. He's managed former heavyweight champions Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer and currently manages unified titleholder Wladimir Klitschko and his older brother, former titleholder Vitali Klitschko.

Typical F.ucking lames criticizing this possible fight What we know is that Wilder is now trying to fight the best competition He was down for a Povetkin fight in Russia He actually pursued a fight against the divisions boogeyman in Ortiz eleven after a dirty test He was more then willing to face AJ in the UK even with a BS offer after AJ and his team went against their word and turned down a record breaking guarantee And now he has his sights on Fury who was the actual man to beat the man and still lineal This is what AJs done got his first trinket against Charles Martin who was the weakest Champ holding a strap fought Klit a year and a half after being embarrassed by Fury who hadn’t looked dominant in 3 years for a another trinket somehow And beating Parker who hasn’t had a impressive performance in years since he got his strap and has shown he isn’t a top shelf HW AJ has the better names on his CV and more trinkets but it’s clear Wilder is the one who is actually trying to fight the best competition they are shameless great post!