Who is better fighter? Povetkin or Ortiz?

Povetkin is way more proven. Ortiz never won nothing in his entire career, good boxer but below world champion level.

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Does aj has the same chin? Any reason to believe he doesn't?

What you said about Wilder, can also be said about Duhaupas. Duhaupas also beat the hell out of Wilder for over 11 rounds too. There's a reason why he gave Wilder a black eye. And when someone who has a skin complexion as dark as Deontay Wilder has a very visible black eye, then that shows they were beaten very badly. Sure, Wilder also made Duhaupas bleed too. So really, both beat the hell out of each other. Therefore, the fight was even before the illegitimate stoppage. The fight was stopped because the fight took place in Alabama, in Wilder's backyard and they needed to keep Wilder's false and misleading 'stoppage' percentage and record high. As a marketing tool to fool less educated people about Wilder's misleading and deceptive punching power. In reality, had the fight taken place in France in Duhaupas's backyard, that fight wouldn't have been stopped. And the scorecards wouldn't have been gifted to Wilder favorably and falsely. And this was a Duhaupas that was physically injured on top of all this. If you want to claim that Duhaupas never seriously threatened Deontay in that fight, then the reverse is also true. Duhaupas was never anymore threatened by Deontay either. Duhaupas had no problem not only taking Wilder's punches thrown with maximum power multiple times, but he was literally WALKING THROUGH THOSE PUNCHES at times. Let that sink in! That's not the sign of someone who is that badly threatened by their opponent. He showed very little respect to Wilder's overrated power. Spare me the 'styles make fights' excuse here. Anthony Joshua does ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING BETTER THAN DUHAUPAS. Whatever Duhaupas did against Wilder to have success, Joshua can also replicate, but at a higher level with more effectiveness. - Duhaupas walked forward. Joshua has better and faster footwork to do the same. - Duhaupas out-jabbed Wilder. Joshua has an even better, faster, more accurate and a more technical jab. - Duhaupas blocked Wilder's punches. Guess what? Joshua's defensive guard is at least as good, if not even better. In addition, he also parries, catches and slips punches just as well too. - Duhaupas absorbed Wilder's punches. Guess what? Joshua can also do the same, since he is at least as durable, if not more durable than Joshua. Duhaupas laid and exposed the blueprint perfectly on how to beat Wilder. It'd take someone with the necessary skills to be able to follow that blueprint and Joshua has those skills. There's absolutely nothing Duhaupas did against Wilder, that Joshua couldn't also replicate. Joshua can absolutely fight at close range. And he can indeed neutralize Wilder's jab, when an average heavyweight like Duhaupas managed to do the same. Does aj has the same chin?

I thought that I clarified this already. Joshua fans: Headvetkin is better. Wilder fans: Ortiz is better. Partially correct. It's more accurate to say US based observers rate Ortiz higher than others, particularly Europeans. This is natural, because he's primarily fought in US fighters since he turned pro and will have been built up by the US networks accordingly. Problem is that the US hw scene has been weak for a number of years and US fans are getting a false picture of how good the guy is. Any objective comparison of record or achievements would give you your answer.

Povetkin over Ortiz is not even a question worth discussing. Look at resumes, see who was a champion. On the Joshua vs Wilder thing.... yes, Joshua is more skilled than Wilder but what makes Wilder dangerous is his physique and his complete lack of boxing skills.... he runs at you like an idiot swingingly wildly.... and that is precisely what I don't believe Joshua can handle. In a "civilized" boxing match.... Joshua wins all day long. Just look at how bad Wilder was being schooled by that Polish nobody... (and then he got caught).... In the ring however, if Wilder goes at Joshua the way he went after Stiverne in the second fight.... one or two of those windmills and the fight is over. Once AJ gets enough experience to comfortably avoid the windmills... then it is game over for Wilder.... as I quite honestly don't believe after 40 pro fights... Windmill Wilder is going to start boxing.

No, that was not what I was saying at all. Oftentimes, when a fighter see another fighter struggling or slipping in prior fights they often perceived that opponent as a cherry pick. Just ask Danny Garcia, who has made an entire career on doing just that; By exploiting his opponent's weakness who he perceives are less of a threat to himself. I am not saying that at all about Deontay Wilder because he, Team Joshua and Matchroom boxing has always been confident that Deontay would knock him out. As for your other point is concerned, Wilder beat the Holy Hell out of Duhaupas for over 11 rounds. That's why the fight was mercifully stopped. Not once, had he ever seriously threatened Deontay in that fight. Just go back and watch the tape. Besides styles makes fights. Duhaupus fought Wilder at short range; Which smothered most of Deontay's punching power. He swarmed him on the inside and neutralized his long range and jab. Joshua on the other hand is a long range counter puncher; Who likes the action in the center of the ring and doesn't cut the ring off. He doesn't like to fight at short range. This will make it easier for Wilder to create enough distance and space in order to land that left right combination punch of his. Moreover, Joshua defense is largely dependent on parrying and blocking punches with his gloves. As history as shown Wilder punches are so fast and powerful that he could punch through or around the gloves. The key to this fight is for Joshua is to neutralize Wilder's jab. If he could do that then he could force Deontay to fight him at mid range in order to counter him. Other than that, Joshua's chances are not that good because once Deontay starts touching him with that right hand then it's a rap. The fight will be over. What you said about Wilder, can also be said about Duhaupas. Duhaupas also beat the hell out of Wilder for over 11 rounds too. There's a reason why he gave Wilder a black eye. And when someone who has a skin complexion as dark as Deontay Wilder has a very visible black eye, then that shows they were beaten very badly. Sure, Wilder also made Duhaupas bleed too. So really, both beat the hell out of each other. Therefore, the fight was even before the illegitimate stoppage. The fight was stopped because the fight took place in Alabama, in Wilder's backyard and they needed to keep Wilder's false and misleading 'stoppage' percentage and record high. As a marketing tool to fool less educated people about Wilder's misleading and deceptive punching power. In reality, had the fight taken place in France in Duhaupas's backyard, that fight wouldn't have been stopped. And the scorecards wouldn't have been gifted to Wilder favorably and falsely. And this was a Duhaupas that was physically injured on top of all this. If you want to claim that Duhaupas never seriously threatened Deontay in that fight, then the reverse is also true. Duhaupas was never anymore threatened by Deontay either. Duhaupas had no problem not only taking Wilder's punches thrown with maximum power multiple times, but he was literally WALKING THROUGH THOSE PUNCHES at times. Let that sink in! That's not the sign of someone who is that badly threatened by their opponent. He showed very little respect to Wilder's overrated power. Spare me the 'styles make fights' excuse here. Anthony Joshua does ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING BETTER THAN DUHAUPAS. Whatever Duhaupas did against Wilder to have success, Joshua can also replicate, but at a higher level with more effectiveness. - Duhaupas walked forward. Joshua has better and faster footwork to do the same. - Duhaupas out-jabbed Wilder. Joshua has an even better, faster, more accurate and a more technical jab. - Duhaupas blocked Wilder's punches. Guess what? Joshua's defensive guard is at least as good, if not even better. In addition, he also parries, catches and slips punches just as well too. - Duhaupas absorbed Wilder's punches. Guess what? Joshua can also do the same, since he is at least as durable, if not more durable than Joshua. Duhaupas laid and exposed the blueprint perfectly on how to beat Wilder. It'd take someone with the necessary skills to be able to follow that blueprint and Joshua has those skills. There's absolutely nothing Duhaupas did against Wilder, that Joshua couldn't also replicate. Joshua can absolutely fight at close range. And he can indeed neutralize Wilder's jab, when an average heavyweight like Duhaupas managed to do the same.

I thought that I clarified this already. Joshua fans: Headvetkin is better. Wilder fans: Ortiz is better.

That's your deluded opinion, not fact. The fact why the fight isn't happening though is because Wilder refused to sign the contract on some bull**** based on Hearn not having a date or venue when it was clear from the start that he had the WBA looking over his shoulder and needed to move fast and get the contract signed. But no, Wilder's side had to take their time to force the mandatory so they could call duck. Then Wilder went full retard and asked for half the money otherwise he won't fight. So yeah, it's clear why this fight isn't happening. If Wilder can find his balls there's a contract waiting for him for April. The reason Parker and Takam finished on their feet is down to them not going for the win. Both played cute and looked to survive. If you just go in there looking to survive, it's damn hard to get them out of there. Any boxing fan who knows what they're talking about knows this. Stiverne was shot and completely fat as hell. Who cares if Wilder knocked that bum out. Although it was the first time he's got someone out of there early defending his title. Usually the bums last to the later rounds. Ortiz came to win so it gave Wilder a lot more options. Povetkin will also come to win so Joshua will look good with this defence. Just watch.:lol1: You are insane! Once Wilder said yes, I agree to all the terms to fight Anthony Joshua that was when all the bullshit lies started coming out. The First one was that the fight couldn't be staged at Wembley in September because of the GGG/Canelo bout and then the second one was that Joshua needed a 12 week training camp for the magnitude of this bout because 8 weeks was not long enough for him; Even though he is fighting Povetkin in September at Wembley and also on the typical 8 week training camp schedule but yet he is saying that he couldn't have made similar accommodations for Wilder? Why? Man why don't you just tell your boy to stop being scared and running? He doesn't want the fight. Then when Shelly Finkel was prepared to have the revised contract signed, in just less than 12 hours, Hearn pulled Povetkin and Mendoza out of his ass. So it's very clear to me that they didn't want to fight Wilder this year at all. All Finkel did was request less than three days to send that contract back to him signed and the fight would have been on but no; Joshua handler's told the WBA to give them a 24 hour deadline to finalize a Povetkin deal instead in order to sabotage the Wilder negotiations. Had they done the contract right the first time then there would have been no delay. So who is fooling who? If they really wanted Wider they could've requested an extension but they never had any plans to fight him this year anyway. So now that old offer is off the table and they must start back from the scratch. It's nobody fault but their own. Also, as far as Joshua not stopping his opponents, he just didn't have it in him. He could have pressed the action more but refused because he feared punching himself out and getting clipped. We agree. He should stop the shorter, slower, older heavy bag Povetkin in less the four rounds.

That's your deluded opinion, not fact. The fact why the fight isn't happening though is because Wilder refused to sign the contract on some bull**** based on Hearn not having a date or venue when it was clear from the start that he had the WBA looking over his shoulder and needed to move fast and get the contract signed. But no, Wilder's side had to take their time to force the mandatory so they could call duck. Then Wilder went full retard and asked for half the money otherwise he won't fight. So yeah, it's clear why this fight isn't happening. If Wilder can find his balls there's a contract waiting for him for April. The reason Parker and Takam finished on their feet is down to them not going for the win. Both played cute and looked to survive. If you just go in there looking to survive, it's damn hard to get them out of there. Any boxing fan who knows what they're talking about knows this. Stiverne was shot and completely fat as hell. Who cares if Wilder knocked that bum out. Although it was the first time he's got someone out of there early defending his title. Usually the bums last to the later rounds. Ortiz came to win so it gave Wilder a lot more options. Povetkin will also come to win so Joshua will look good with this defence. Just watch.:lol1: You are insane! Once Wilder said yes, I agree to all the terms to fight Anthony Joshua that was when all the bullshit lies started coming out. The First one was that the fight couldn't be staged at Wembley in September because of the GGG/Canelo bout and then the second one was that Joshua needed a 12 week training camp for the magnitude of this bout because 8 weeks was not long enough for him; Even though he is fighting Povetkin in September at Wembley and also on the typical 8 week training camp schedule but yet he is saying that he couldn't have made similar accommodations for Wilder? Why? Man why don't you just tell your boy to stop being scared and running? He doesn't want the fight. Then when Shelly Finkel was prepared to have the revised contract signed, in just less than 12 hours, Hearn pulled Povetkin and Mendoza out of his ass. So it's very clear to me that they didn't want to fight Wilder this year at all. All Finkel did was requested less than three days to send that contract back to him signed and the fight would have been on but no; Joshua handler's told the WBA to give them a 24 hour deadline to finalize a Povetkin deal instead in order to sabotage the Wilder negotiations. Had they done the contract right the first time then there would have been no delay. So who is fooling who? If they really wanted Wider they could've requested an extension but they never had any plans to fight him this year anyway. So now that old offer is off the table and they must start back from the scratch. It's nobody fault but their own. Also, as far as Joshua not stopping his opponents, he just didn't have it in him. He could have pressed the action more but refused because he feared punching himself and getting clipped. We agree. He should stop the shorter, slower, older heavy bag Povetkin in less the four rounds.

Povetkin has done much more.

it depends if you like the duck or the bird legs.

I don't think you British fanboys really know what's up. The only reason why the fight is being postponed is because Joshua and his team of handlers know what I already know and that is, he is going to get his ass-whooped. So that's why they are protecting him. Wilder is going to fuck him up. Just ask his fellow compatriots Tyson Fury and Lennox Lewis. Also, you are right. Joshua better try out box Deontay because if he gets in there slugging and throwing those 10 to 15 punch combinations he is going to punch himself out like he did against Klitschko in the fifth round of their bout and then get knocked the Fuck out himself. Also, Joshua's jab is overrated. There's no way he out jabs Wilder from the outside with a shorter height and reach advantage. He's not a scientific ring surgeon like Luis Ortiz. Here's the deal. Joshua's last two opponents finished their fight on their feet. While on the other hand, Wilder's last two opponents finished their fight on their asses. Need I say more? That's your deluded opinion, not fact. The fact why the fight isn't happening though is because Wilder refused to sign the contract on some bull**** based on Hearn not having a date or venue when it was clear from the start that he had the WBA looking over his shoulder and needed to move fast and get the contract signed. But no, Wilder's side had to take their time to force the mandatory so they could call duck. Then Wilder went full retard and asked for half the money otherwise he won't fight. So yeah, it's clear why this fight isn't happening. If Wilder can find his balls there's a contract waiting for him for April. The reason Parker and Takam finished on their feet is down to them not going for the win. Both played cute and looked to survive. If you just go in there looking to survive, it's damn hard to get them out of there. Any boxing fan who knows what they're talking about knows this. Stiverne was shot and completely fat as hell. Who cares if Wilder knocked that bum out. Although it was the first time he's got someone out of there early defending his title. Usually the bums last to the later rounds. Ortiz came to win so it gave Wilder a lot more options. Povetkin will also come to win so Joshua will look good with this defence. Just watch.

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Who won an olympic gold medal and who was the sparring partner for odlanier solis in the ams ? Povetkin without a doubt in the amateurs In the pros they are about even...both 1 loss...with povetkin having the better resume. With PEDs its Povetkin for me in the pros, No PEDs its about even.

You wrote it, so own it. Don't make your bull**** excuses. Joshua has plenty of confidence. He dominated both Takam and Parker whilst being in 1st gear. He didn't badly struggle the way Deontay did. So out of the 2 of them, Joshua is the one sitting pretty. To think you gain more confidence by losing until the knock out and nearly getting taken out by a guy with high blood pressure and 2 rounds of stamina, not forgetting that Ortiz's power has disappeared, is nothing short of delusional. Joshua is going to use his superior boxing ability to beat Wilder. He'll keep him at range because that's where he's at his best. The same goes for Wilder too because he can't fight on the inside for ****. Joshua will back him up and look to get through to Wilder's **** defence and glass chin by setting up everything with the jab. With Wilder being so wild he'll leave so many openings for Joshua to exploit it will be hilarious. Wilder has never been in the ring with someone as good as Joshua, and yet he's struggled almost every time against his bums. The accuracy and the timing of Joshua is really going to be too much for Wilder. If Wilder looks to go for broke on the front foot, Joshua being good on the counter will take advantage. There isn't anything Wilder can do about that. When it's all said and done people will say AFTER the event that Joshua winning was a forgone conclusion because he had everything in his favour to win. Fighters relying on just their power almost always lose. As will Wilder. And no, Joshua isn't going to go in there exchanging, that would be stupid. He'll set his shots up like he always does. Wilder will be the one swinging wild shots hoping for them to land. But as I say, Joshua being the much better technician will take advantage of that all day long. Once Joshua lands a big shot on that glass chin, Wilder is going over and out. And it won't take long either.I don't think you British fanboys really know what's up. The only reason why the fight is being postponed is because Joshua and his team of handlers know what I already know and that is, he is going to get his ass-whooped. So that's why they are protecting him. Wilder is going to fuck him up. Just ask his fellow compatriots Tyson Fury and Lennox Lewis. Also, you are right. Joshua better try out box Deontay because if he gets in there slugging and throwing those 10 to 15 punch combinations he is going to punch himself out like he did against Klitschko in the fifth round of their bout and then get knocked the Fuck out himself. Also, Joshua's jab is overrated. There's no way he out jabs Wilder from the outside with a shorter height and reach advantage. He's not a scientific ring surgeon like Luis Ortiz. Here's the deal. Joshua's last two opponents finished their fight on their feet. While on the other hand, Wilder's last two opponents finished their fight on their asses. Need I say more?

You wrote it, so own it. Don't make your bull**** excuses. Joshua has plenty of confidence. He dominated both Takam and Parker whilst being in 1st gear. He didn't badly struggle the way Deontay did. So out of the 2 of them, Joshua is the one sitting pretty. To think you gain more confidence by losing until the knock out and nearly getting taken out by a guy with high blood pressure and 2 rounds of stamina, not forgetting that Ortiz's power has disappeared, is nothing short of delusional. Joshua is going to use his superior boxing ability to beat Wilder. He'll keep him at range because that's where he's at his best. The same goes for Wilder too because he can't fight on the inside for ****. Joshua will back him up and look to get through to Wilder's **** defence and glass chin by setting up everything with the jab. With Wilder being so wild he'll leave so many openings for Joshua to exploit it will be hilarious. Wilder has never been in the ring with someone as good as Joshua, and yet he's struggled almost every time against his bums. The accuracy and the timing of Joshua is really going to be too much for Wilder. If Wilder looks to go for broke on the front foot, Joshua being good on the counter will take advantage. There isn't anything Wilder can do about that. When it's all said and done people will say AFTER the event that Joshua winning was a forgone conclusion because he had everything in his favour to win. Fighters relying on just their power almost always lose. As will Wilder. And no, Joshua isn't going to go in there exchanging, that would be stupid. He'll set his shots up like he always does. Wilder will be the one swinging wild shots hoping for them to land. But as I say, Joshua being the much better technician will take advantage of that all day long. Once Joshua lands a big shot on that glass chin, Wilder is going over and out. And it won't take long either.I don't think you British fanboys really know what's up. The only reason why the fight is being postponed is because Joshua and his team of handlers know what I already know and that is that he is going to getting his ass-whooped. So that's why they are protecting him. Wilder is going to fuck him up. Just ask his fellow compatriots Tyson Fury and Lennox Lewis. Also, you are right. Joshua better try out box Deontay because if he gets in there slugging and throwing those 10 to 15 punch combinations he is going to punch himself out like he did against Klitschko in the fifth round of their bout and then get knocked the Fuck out himself. Also, Joshua's jab is overrated. There's no way he out jabs Wilder from the outside with a shorter height and reach advantage. He's not a scientific ring surgeon like Luis Ortiz. Here's the deal. Joshua's last two opponents finished their fight on their feet. While on the other hand, Wilder's last two opponents finished their fight on their asses. Need I say more?

LOL yeah against domestic level nobodies Povetkin won olympic gold, European championships gold x2 world championships gold Ortiz won: nothing. ....but he won 200 more fights doe!!! :lol1: I've read enough of your bs to know you are a moron.

I've said it then and I am saying it now. Joshua has not looked the same since that Klitschko fight. His last two performances have been very uneven. He needs some momentum. He needs a clean knock out before going into the Wilder fight in order to gain some confidence. Wilder and his team has always been chomping at the bit to fight Joshua because they are confident that overall he is the better fighter. There's no way if Joshua stands in front of Wilder and exchanges, he lasts the distance. They see a slower and wider power lifter in front of them, who is static with virtually no head movement at all; Which will make him a very vulnerable target for Deontay's one two combination punch. You wrote it, so own it. Don't make your bull**** excuses. Joshua has plenty of confidence. He dominated both Takam and Parker whilst being in 1st gear. He didn't badly struggle the way Deontay did. So out of the 2 of them, Joshua is the one sitting pretty. To think you gain more confidence by losing until the knock out and nearly getting taken out by a guy with high blood pressure and 2 rounds of stamina, not forgetting that Ortiz's power has disappeared, is nothing short of delusional. Joshua is going to use his superior boxing ability to beat Wilder. He'll keep him at range because that's where he's at his best. The same goes for Wilder too because he can't fight on the inside for ****. Joshua will back him up and look to get through to Wilder's **** defence and glass chin by setting up everything with the jab. With Wilder being so wild he'll leave so many openings for Joshua to exploit it will be hilarious. Wilder has never been in the ring with someone as good as Joshua, and yet he's struggled almost every time against his bums. The accuracy and the timing of Joshua is really going to be too much for Wilder. If Wilder looks to go for broke on the front foot, Joshua being good on the counter will take advantage. There isn't anything Wilder can do about that. When it's all said and done people will say AFTER the event that Joshua winning was a forgone conclusion because he had everything in his favour to win. Fighters relying on just their power almost always lose. As will Wilder. And no, Joshua isn't going to go in there exchanging, that would be stupid. He'll set his shots up like he always does. Wilder will be the one swinging wild shots hoping for them to land. But as I say, Joshua being the much better technician will take advantage of that all day long. Once Joshua lands a big shot on that glass chin, Wilder is going over and out. And it won't take long either.

Povetkin has been in with better competition and has better skills and stamina. Ortiz is a hard puncher who gasses out if he throws more than 35 punches in a round. He was unproven prior to his fight with Wilder. Of course Wilder fangirls will want to discredit Povetkin and are still talking about Ortiz as if he were the second coming of George Foreman.