True he was never a big draw even after he beat Wlad, but his period of inactivity has helped hugely with his popularity along with him being an obvious antagonist to Joshua. That and there are few true big draws in boxing right now.
Canelo is obviously the biggest draw, he makes the most money and has had the highest earning PPV's.
Joshua is the next biggest draw, every PPV sells over a million, though at a lower price than in the US, probably makes 15-20 mill for every fight even against a nobody.
Pac isn't as big a draw as he was but he still reportedly made $10 mill vs Horn.
After the obvious big 3 earners it gets a bit muddled. Before Haye retired I would of said Haye. Haye/Bellew 1 did 750K PPV buys and both earned millions for that fight, not sure what the rematch did but it probably did similar numbers.
Golovkin is a big name and made good money vs Canelo but then he only made 1 mill vs Vanes?
Wilder did the highest Showtime ratings vs Ortiz in years, so he could be a top 5 draw. But then he only made 2.1 mill for that and you have other Haymon fighters like Stevenson, Spence Jr etc making more. Even Mikey Garcia made more than that for Lipenets.
Whyte sold out the O2 vs Browne and is about to have a PPV fight with Parker. If that does well you could argue he's a top 5 draw as he'd be a proven PPV fighter.
Well I have to agree with that.
joshua was a novice pro when those two boxed so its irrelevent.
Compare both fighters when they are at there maximum drawing power so in the last 2 years joshua has outsold canelo with ppv stats
joshua was 25 or 26 when he fought wlad. canelo was 22 when he fought floyd.
money generated determines who is the biggest draw. and thats canelo
You're a fool if you ever think Brits would £50 for a fight.
Anthony Joshua's events have basically topped out at clearing $40m-$50m.
Mayweather-Alvarez, Cotto-Alvarez, Alvarez-ChavezJr, Alvarez-Golovkin, Alvarez-Khan, and likely Alvarez-Golovkin 2 will all clear more than $40m-$50m (and it wouldn't shock me to find out that Alvarez-Smith got over the mark too).
We're talking money; put the crying over the size of your country to the left. you were that twat that said froch could never sell out wembley stadium a few years back if he faced golovkin and yet low and behold he then went and did 80k with george groves there so don't try and tell me who will pay for what in my country.....as I said canelo needs a dance partner to sell big amounts of ppv.....650k against khan and 450k vs smith show canelo is nowhere near the mega ppv seller that twats like you think he is.
So get back in your cage mug lol
21 million dollars a fight joshua makes and even if the price was increased to £50 people would still buy in droves.
Now the 80 dollars that are spent on a canelo fight is split in half before it even go's to the fight side so its more like 40 dollars that end up on the boxing event even you cannot be that kind of an idiot.
Time warner , comserve all get that other 50% plus yiur side of the pond there is 380 million people to sell to plus america has ingrained meican heritage so really when you consider the size joshua is a bigger draw.
Canelo drawing power is a lot less when he don't face a golovkin or a chavez hence why he only sold 450k against smith and 600k against khan.
Don't dress up canelo as if he is a mega star like a pacquaio or mayweather because he ain't
You're a fool if you ever think Brits would £50 for a fight.
Anthony Joshua's events have basically topped out at clearing $40m-$50m.
Mayweather-Alvarez, Cotto-Alvarez, Alvarez-ChavezJr, Alvarez-Golovkin, Alvarez-Khan, and likely Alvarez-Golovkin 2 will all clear more than $40m-$50m (and it wouldn't shock me to find out that Alvarez-Smith got over the mark too).
We're talking money; put the crying over the size of your country to the left.
LOL, who got scared by the $50mil offer, its the Wilder fans that like to make a big deal out of it. Should wait and see what his Matchroom and DAZN deals look like before claiming it as a victory
Joshua and Eddie Hearn were all gung-ho for the fight... until they weren't.
Call that what you want
Pacquiao yes, Canelo no. Go ask the average man on the street in Europe or Asia or even South America who Canelo is, they won't really know unless they're boxing fans. He just isn't that well known outside of the boxing world in other countries
Pacquiao is a genuine worldwide recognised star. That said, how many people are interested in paying to watch him fight right now is another matter.
Pac is much more famous than Canelo or AJ. Those 2 have similarities. Big draws where they fight or home country but nobody else really knows much about them unless they follow the sport.
Fair enough, good points.
Canelo and old Pacquiao, I don't see anybody after that.
AJ is getting overrated on here. He's a huge local draw, but nobody knows him outside of the UK. Pacquiao and to a lesser extent Canelo are worldwide.
Pacquiao yes, Canelo no. Go ask the average man on the street in Europe or Asia or even South America who Canelo is, they won't really know unless they're boxing fans. He just isn't that well known outside of the boxing world in other countries
Pacquiao is a genuine worldwide recognised star. That said, how many people are interested in paying to watch him fight right now is another matter.
Pac is much more famous than Canelo or AJ. Those 2 have similarities. Big draws where they fight or home country but nobody else really knows much about them unless they follow the sport.
Canelo and old Pacquiao, I don't see anybody after that.
AJ is getting overrated on here. He's a huge local draw, but nobody knows him outside of the UK. Pacquiao and to a lesser extent Canelo are worldwide.
Biggest start in boxing is clearly Canelo he is biggest thing in USA and Latino countries. He is the A Side of boxing, Great PPV numbers Great paychecks
Second Place Manny Pacquiao worldwide known even by casuals In or outside USA
Third Place : GGG Since Lemieux fight he got pretty big name in USA and he is well known in Europe
Fourth Place : AJ i would put AJ on third place if he got bigger recognition in USA. Not many people in USA know him. But in UK and Europe he is well known person
Fifth Place :
Tyson Fury - He has big name in Europe comparable to AJ but i think he is less known in USA than Joshua
Terence Crawford - Could be next big thing if he had little bit bigger mouth, he is known person in USA but in Europe no one heard about him outside of boxing fans. I compare him to GGG fanbase but little bit smaller in Omaha he can fill fight anyday in month we talking about 10k plus tickets sold.
Adrien Broner - I think in USA AB is really famous in and outside boxing he has big persona. And his stupidity is making him famous. Some of his bs he says is core of boxing memes. And his fights always have good ratio.
and Lomachenko could get the fifth spot easily if he fights Pac and beat the old man. That would boost him he had good fight with Rigo, but in my honest opinion it was only Rigo who made the promo. If he fights Pac and win that fight in good sound. He is next ppv thing
Well the top 4 are:
1. Joshua
2. Canelo
3. Manny
4. GGG
There doesn’t seem to be a clear #5 for this list in my opinion
Lomachenko is pulling in decent numbers on ESPN. I had him ahead of Manny by maybe Manny would draw better tonight if on regular ESPN. Maybe so would Crawford, or Mikey Garcia though draw better than Lomachenko.
Well the top 4 are:
1. Joshua
2. Canelo
3. Manny
4. GGG
I think Joshua is bigger than Canelo worldwide now but honestly I’m not sure. Here in the US however, Canelo is still a way bigger draw that Joshua.
There doesn’t seem to be a clear #5 for this list in my opinion
It's important to note plungerman's stats are for the UK. So it is clear that Canelo is a bigger draw in the U.S. and Joshua is bigger in the UK, and edges him overall although I think PPV's may be comparatively more expensive in the States. I rated Golovkin ahead of Joshua because I've insisted that the average American knows of Canelo and Golovkin before Joshua. But I would concede that based on his local popularity that Joshua is ahead of Golovkin, at least.
If you want to talk about only Black American fighters, you should say that.
Errol Spence Jr sold out The Star in Frisco, TX, at pretty aggressive prices, to fight a guy who was basically unknown; do you really think he can't sell 10000 for even his next tickover fight in the Dallas area?
... and Broner fought both Khabib Alhakverdiev and Adrien Granados in Cincinnati, both fights after the Taylor fight.
we never count mexican american fighters as americans. not even oscar. they identify mexican.
check the ticket sales. the granandos fight was held in a smaller venue than the khabib fight for a reason.
spence fought at home once, im not saying he wont sell, but 1 fight is 1 fight.
Source for the Takam and Parker fights drawing 1.4m homes in the UK lol. (Remember that simple match should tell you that 1.4m homes, @£20 per home, basically gets you to $40m for Sky and Matchroom to split, on top of the $2m-$3m that came from Showtime for the US rights, on top of a soldout 70k-seat venue in Cardiff at premium prices)
If Anthony Joshua was actually on that type of money, the $50m wouldn't have scared the whole camp the way it did i don't care who is bigger my point is joshua matches up with canelo for sure and canelo stock cannot get any higher ? Joshua on the other hand is still rising up the stock market