Looks like Wilder accepted Hearn's ****ty flat fee offer after all

hearn was sending "contracts" while coward joshua already signing the rubbish bumvetkin fight :rofl: Any evidence on that?

Stalled how? Finkel and the Hearns were negotiating. It's like saying Hearn stalled 4 weeks on the 50 million offer. Both sides were going back and forth on both offers. Hearn's own interviews from that time period show he's lying that he didn't hear anything for 4 weeks. He spent 4 weeks talking about the negotiations and then tried to rewrite history that the other side had stalled. It's bull****. Stop being brainwashed by Eddie Hearn. Wilder did stall. You either like an offer or you don't. It doesn't take weeks to know whether you want it or not.

Let me get this straight. Hearn makes a ridiculous flat fee offer after Joshua refused a guaranteed 50 mil purse after saying he was interested in making the fight. Hearn steps in and says no buddy, you aren't signing anything. A guaranteed one time deal only gets me a one time cut, that's not enough to pay for my lifetime botox treatments, you have to fight at least 2-3 garbagemen before I cash you out. Hearn then turns around and offers Wilder a ridiculous 15 mil flat fee. Wilder ponders a bit and calls their bluff. Tells them to send the contract over. Hearn is in panic mode. The he gets a genius idea. Let's send them a dummy contract with no date and no venue, hopefully our good friends at the WBA will interfere and bail us out. As a matter of fact, let me make a few phone calls. Wilder gets the contract and can't believe it. Hearn then starts babbling about Joshua not being able to get ready with a 8 week training camp in case the WBA doesn't interfere and he's forced to meet his fate or get exposed. Word Wilder hasn't started camp yet. The WBA finally interferes, Hearn is saved by the bell and still trying to peddle his dummy deal to save face. Wilder is like fock you 2 faced piece of ****, you gotta pay me this time you slithering snake or you get no fight and no belt. End of discussion. Am I missing something there? No truth can be found here. It's all assumptions. And that is due to you being biased. Must try harder.

Of course refusing to sign a contract with no date or venue is very odd. Sending a contract with no date or venue - not odd at all. It’s ironic though. Happened other way only weeks before and same guys were fine with no info because it was 50 mil. Can’t have it both ways

My response here is only showing one way to just to state the obvious but time delays, refusing to do meetings, having the contract which was agreed but not actually signing it - all of these are odd to say the least. I find it hard to argue either party are blameless. Of course refusing to sign a contract with no date or venue is very odd. Sending a contract with no date or venue - not odd at all.

hearn was sending "contracts" while coward joshua already signing the rubbish bumvetkin fight :rofl:

Oh is that so? Can you impart me with some of that clear unbiased wisdom of yours? Where are those facts that I missed? My response here is only showing one way to just to state the obvious but time delays, refusing to do meetings, having the contract which was agreed but not actually signing it - all of these are odd to say the least. I find it hard to argue either party are blameless.

Still doesn't explain why this information was missing from the original contract and why a midway fight appeared out of thin air on this new offer. Seems like more pu$$yfooting from Hearn's camp to me. But that must be my "bias". Oh I agree, it was totally *****footing from Hearn. Not disagreeing that he didn't want the fight next.. i'm just disagreeing with the notion that he doesn't want the fight at all (which in fairness you didn't explicitly state.. tis just all i'm reading here). The fight is worth too much money for him not to want it at some point and the fact that he's given Wilder a contract with a venue and date shows exactly when he wants it.

Yes. Wilder has a contract that is ready to sign that states both a date and venue on it. Wembley April 19 2019. It isn't what any of us wanted but it does clearly affect the narrative that Hearn does not want to make the fight at all, because all Wilder has to do is sign that contract and that's that. Job done, fight at Wembley in April. Still doesn't explain why this information was missing from the original contract and why a midway fight appeared out of thin air on this new offer. Seems like more pu$$yfooting from Hearn's camp to me. But that must be my "bias".

Yes. Clear bias in one direction. But other than clear bias haha yeah fine. Some people want to believe their own story and therefore swing things to make it look that way but if you want to be realistic you need to piece all of the facts and remove the opinions/filters Oh is that so? Can you impart me with some of that clear unbiased wisdom of yours? Where are those facts that I missed?

Wilder stalled for 4 weeks Stalled how? Finkel and the Hearns were negotiating. It's like saying Hearn stalled 4 weeks on the 50 million offer. Both sides were going back and forth on both offers. Hearn's own interviews from that time period show he's lying that he didn't hear anything for 4 weeks. He spent 4 weeks talking about the negotiations and then tried to rewrite history that the other side had stalled. It's bull****. Stop being brainwashed by Eddie Hearn.

Let me get this straight. Hearn makes a ridiculous flat fee offer after Joshua refused a guaranteed 50 mil purse after saying that he was interested in making the fight. Hearn steps in and says no buddy, you aren't signing anything. A guaranteed one time deal only gets me a one time cut, that's not enough to pay for my lifetime botox treatments, you have to fight at least 2-3 garbagemen before I cash you out. Hearn then turns around and offers Wilder a ridiculous 15 mil one time fee. Wilder ponders for a bit and calls their bluff. Tells them to send the contract over. Hearn is in panic mode. The he gets a genius idea. Let's send them a dummy contract with no date and venue, hopefully our good friends at the WBA will interfere and bail us out. As a matter of fact, let me make a few phone calls. Wilder gets the contract and can't believe it. Hearn then starts babbling about Joshua not being able to get ready with a 8 week training camp in case the WBA doesn't interfere and he's forced to meet his fate or get exposed. Word Wilder hasn't started camp yet. The WBA finally interferes, Hearn is saved by the bell and still trying to peddle his dummy deal to save face. Wilder is like fock you 2 faced piece of sh1t, you gotta pay me this time you slithering snake or you get no fight and no belt. End of discussion. Am I missing something there? Yes. Wilder has a contract that is ready to sign that states both a date and venue on it. Wembley April 19 2019. It isn't what any of us wanted but it does clearly affect the narrative that Hearn does not want to make the fight at all, because all Wilder has to do is sign that contract and that's that. Job done, fight at Wembley in April.

Let me get this straight. Hearn makes a ridiculous flat fee offer after Joshua refused a guaranteed 50 mil purse after saying that he was interested in making the fight. Hearn steps in and says no buddy, you aren't signing anything. A guaranteed one time deal only gets me a one time cut, that's not enough to pay for my lifetime botox treatments, you have to fight at least 2-3 garbagemen before I cash you out. Hearn then turns around and offers Wilder a ridiculous 15 mil one time fee. Wilder ponders for a bit and calls their bluff. Tells them to send the contract over. Hearn is in panic mode. The he gets a genius idea. Let's send them a dummy contract with no date and venue, hopefully our good friends at the WBA will interfere and bail us out. As a matter of fact, let me make a few phone calls. Wilder gets the contract and can't believe it. Hearn then starts babbling about Joshua not being able to get ready with a 8 week training camp in case the WBA doesn't interfere and he's forced to meet his fate or get exposed. Word Wilder hasn't started camp yet. The WBA finally interferes, Hearn is saved by the bell and still trying to peddle his dummy deal to save face. Wilder is like fock you 2 faced piece of sh1t, you gotta pay me this time you slithering snake or you get no fight and no belt. End of discussion. Am I missing something there? No Wilder stalled for 4 weeks Warren said Joshua and povetkin done which wilder sees so he suddenly accepts But in reality joshau hadn’t signed. He tells Hearn to send a contract ASAP and find a venue and a date before the wba call povetkin as times running out Hearn sends the contact telling them the fights next in Cardiff in Oct or Nov but he needs to book the stadiums still as he thought wilder had walked earlier since they respond for 4 weeks After 7 days no reply from wilder signing the contract. Hearn emails saying hurry it up or else the fight will get delayed till next year Shirley seeks clarification on two points which Hearn gives and they state it’s all good Then Suddenly wilder and his team go to espn saying they are returning the contract in 5 days with comments lmao so the wba see this and demand the povetkin fight Joshua is annoyed as he signed and wants to fight wilder so the contract is valid for April and he’s booked out Wembley stadium for it

That's the truth

Yes. Clear bias in one direction. But other than clear bias haha yeah fine. Some people want to believe their own story and therefore swing things to make it look that way but if you want to be realistic you need to piece all of the facts and remove the opinions/filters