Thought it would be interesting to compare resumes to see how much harder GGG has worked in order to get quality opponents.
Also who did the failed ones choose to face?
I used Transnational Boxing Website Archives for all the rankings.
Since Sept 2012 Golovkin has fought 16 opponents.
(5) Not Ranked in top10 by TBRB. (6 if you count Vanes due to inactivity)
(3) have come up in weight.
GGG actively sought tougher opponents for every one of these lower ranked ones.
Golovkin was never ranked lower than #2 during this time.
Link in my signature if you'd like to find out more on why these fights fell through.
Fought-----#7 JMW---Vanes Martirosyan---(ranking removed for inactivity)
Pursued----#2 MW----Saul Alvarez-----------(suspended for PED's)
Fought-----#2 MW----Saul Alvarez
Fought-----#2 MW----Daniel Jacobs
Fought-----#1 WW----Kell Brook
Pursued----#6 MW----Chris Eubank Jr.------(fought NR SMW---Renold Quinlan)
Fought-----#10 MW---Dominic Wade
Pursued----#3 MW----Billy Joe Saunders----(fought NR MW----Artur Akavov)
Fought-----#4 MW----David Lemieux
Fought-----NR MW----Willie Monroe Jr
Pursued----#C MW----Miguel Cotto-----------(fought #7 MW----Daniel Geale)
Pursued----#1 SMW---Carl Froch-------------(retired)
Fought-----#4 MW----Martin Murray
Fought-----#9 MW----Marco Antonio Rubio
Pursued----#4 MW----Sam Soliman----------(fought NR MW----Jermain Taylor)
Fought-----#5 MW----Daniel Geale
Pursued----NR SMW--Julio Cesar Chavez Jr-(fought NR LHW---Andrzej Fonfara)
Fought-----NR MW----Osumanu Adama
Pursued----#2 MW----Peter Quillin-----------(fought NR MW----Lukas Konecny)
Fought-----NR MW----Curtis Stevens
Pursued----#3 MW----Darren Barker---------(fought #4 MW----Daniel Geale)
Pursued----#6 MW----Martin Murray-------(fought NR MW----Siarhei Khamitski)
Fought-----#6 MW----Matthew Macklin
Fought-----NR MW----Nobuhiro Ishida
Pursued----#C MW----Sergio Martinez-------(fought #8 MW----Martin Murray)
Fought-----#10 JMW--Gabriel Rosado
Pursued----#1 MW----Daniel Geale---------(fought NR MW----Anthony Mundine)
Pursued----#3 MW----Felix Sturm------------(fought NR MW----Sam Soliman)
Pursued----#9 SMW---Edwin Rodriguez--(fought NR SMW----Ezequiel Maderna)
Fought-----NR MW----Grzegorz Proksa
Pursued----#6 MW----Dmitry Pirog-----------(back injury)
Since Sept 2012 Canelo has fought 11 opponents.
(2) Not Ranked in top10 by TBRB. (3 if you count Kirkland due to inactivity)
(3) have come up in weight.
----Fought-----#1 MW----Gennady Golovkin
----Fought-----NR SMW---Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
----Fought-----#8 JMW---Liam Smith
----Fought-----#3 WW----Amir Khan
----Fought-----#C MW----Miguel Cotto
----Fought-----#7 JMW---James Kirkland (ranking removed for inactivity)
----Fought-----#1 JMW---Erislandy Lara
----Fought-----NR JMW---Alfredo Angulo
----Fought-----#1 WW----Floyd Mayweather Jr
----Fought-----#2 JMW---Austin Trout
----Fought-----#4 WW----Josesito Lopez
I could not find a single fight for Canelo that fell through. (other than GGG himself)
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The WBC trinket is NOT a LEGIT title, Einstein. The *only* legitimate title in boxing is the LINEAL title, Genius. Hopkins has TWO, Bumlovkin ZERO.
The IBF trinket is NOT a LEGIT title, Einstein. The *only* legitimate title in boxing is the LINEAL title, Genius. Hopkins has TWO, Bumlovkin ZERO.
LMAO
Since when has Bumlovkin moved up not one but TWO weight classes to beat the #1 guy in the division on two separate occasions? And you are stupid enough to think they're resumes "are not that different". Put down the Crack pipe..
Pupping aside Golovkin, Hopkins and any other fighter, in a little of cases the lineal title is a joke.
The WBC trinket is NOT a LEGIT title, Einstein. The *only* legitimate title in boxing is the LINEAL title, Genius.
We'll just stop right there, now you're just being stupid.
Lineal is not even recognized. Which list are you using?
The Ring Magazine, Cyber Boxing Zone or Transnational Boxing Rankings Board? There is no single canonical list of lineal champions at any weight class, because there is no agreed upon method of determining the starting point for each lineage.
There are FOUR universally recognized world titles. For those who don’t know they are: WBA, WBC, IBF & WBO.
You can't just keep changing the goal-posts & insulting people thinking that wins you an argument or proves any point in the least.
Keep taking those L's. No use wasting any more time.
If Bumlovkin wants to be on Hopkins' level then he should do what Bernard did - move up to LHW and beat the #1 guy there - on TWO separate occasions.
That wont happen because - unfortunately for you Lil G nuthuggers - Bumlovkin ain't on Bernard's level...
What is Bernards level? On the floor of the arena after getting knocked out of the ring? And why does he have to be at Bernards level?
I didn't get any facts wrong, Genius. Let me lay them out for your short school bus attention deficit disorder illiterate arse;
Hopkins won his first LEGIT title in his mid 30's @ MW with his win over Tito Trinidad.
Hopkins won his second LEGIT title in his mid 40s @ LHW with his win over Jean Pascal.
That's TWO LEGIT titles @ TWO different weight classes. Are you keeping up so far, Einstein?
OTOH, Bumlovkin has yet to win a single LEGIT title @ age 36 - and is not likely to do so EVER...
Ok your right. I reread your post. I took it to mean Hopkins won his first legitimate title at 40. I was wrong.
Pavlik
Tarver
Glen Johnson
Trinidad
Like I said, Hopkins' resume urinates and defecates all over Bumlovkin's
Not at MW
Not at MW
Glen Johnson was absolute garbage at MW, and you know it.
A life-long 147'er? Okay.
Duran's win over Barkley urinates and defecates on any single win on Bumlovkin's resume.
You gotta be kidding! His only significant win at MW was Hearns. He lost his first interim shot & failed to defend the MW belt even once, falling in three straight bouts following Hearns & immediately moved up in weight with a record of 25-7 at the time. He was a tough match-up because of his size as noted by his climb up to HW, but definitely not a world beater.
I will not entertain this rank ignorance with an answer.
I listed the 3 opponents, if you believe there's more then please list them
Hearns' destruction of Juan Roldan @ 160 urinates and defecates on any single win on Bumlovkin's resume...
Roldan fought 90% of his fights in Argentina against domestic level opponents. Every time he stepped up he was stopped. No, I wouldn't rank him at 5'8" over even Jacobs.
Hopkins won his first LEGIT title in his mid 30's @ MW with his win over Tito Trinidad.
Incorrect.
Hopkins was actually 36 when he beat Holmes for the WBC belt, later that same year he beat Trinidad for WBA Super. Happens to be the same age Golovkin is currently yet he's been a 3 belt champion for a few years now. Hopkins also had 2L's, a draw & a NC by this time.
OTOH, Bumlovkin has yet to win a single LEGIT title @ age 36 - and is not likely to do so EVER...
Incorrect.
Guess you forgot about Golovkin beating Lemieux for the IBF at age 33? That's 3 years quicker than Hopkins even though B-Hop turned pro a year younger than GGG. Not even counting beating Geale for the WBA Super the year earlier.
Bernard's original belt was the IBF when at the age of 29 he fought for the vacant version. Golovkin was 28 when he won the interim WBA.
Hopkins won his second LEGIT title in his mid 40s @ LHW with his win over Jean Pascal.
That's TWO LEGIT titles @ TWO different weight classes.
Unknown.
Hopkins was truly an Alien for what he did post 40 & I highly doubt GGG can match those accomplishments, however that's still in the future for GGG so guess we'll have to wait & see.
Their resumes are not that different when broken down & consider the timelines.
Context is important when comparing resumes don't ya think? What opportunities were made available & did the athlete try to take on challenges when presented. All resume's are not created equal because not all have those same opportunities for one reason or another. This is why Golovkin being avoided in his prime is part of the context that needs weighed in evaluating talent. The same way NFL pro scouts evaluate DivII prospects that don't have the same chances to perform against the best. It's all about how one performs when given those same chances. It'll always be a question now since Golovkin is over the hill in terms of boxing prime, but it's a valid point that has merit & deserves consideration.
Let's remember Hagler fought three truly elite men. One a LW, and two WW's, yet he's the gold standard at MW.
Resume isn't the only thing, it's just one part of the equation.
Yeah and one part of the equation is the eye test. Watching Hagler was a treat. He was determined, hard working, had great boxing ability, a chin of granite, could fight left or right and transition seamlessly. The couple of things I remember most about Hagler. He usually finished the exchanges. He made sure he got in the last punch and he had those sweet short punches that he used to bust up his opponent.
LMAO
Hopkins won his first LEGIT title while in his mid 30's with his win over Trinidad, Einstein...
Your the guy who got your facts wrong in your initial post. First you say 40 now you correct yourself and then blame me. You Canelo fans are lame.
LMAO
That LW and those two WWs individually have better wins @ 160 than does the Triple Duck.
Duran was already past his prime when he made his MW debut at age 32. He has one significant win @ 160, Iran Barkley for the WBC title. Lost to Hagler, Leonard, Lawler & Sims.
Leonard has a grand total of 3 fights in his career at MW. He got the controversial win against Hagler in his debut, beat a 38yr old Duran, & got KO'd by Camacho well past Ray's prime. The second Hearns fight where he drew was actually at SMW.
Hearns had a couple of bouts earlier in his career at MW, but it wasn't until after he beat Duran for the SWW belt that he made his first real foray into the MW division against Hagler. He fought a grand total of 4 more MW fights in his career, one of those losing to Iran Barkley.
I don't think you know WTF you're talking about!
Pavlik
Tarver
Glen Johnson
Trinidad
Like I said, Hopkins' resume urinates and defecates all over Bumlovkin's
GLEN JOHNSON is a journeyman. Trinidad and tarver were good wins. At 160 their resumes are not far off. Jacobs and alvarez would spark the one dimensional plodder pavlik out cold.
Pavlik
Tarver
Glen Johnson
Trinidad
Like I said, Hopkins' resume urinates and defecates all over Bumlovkin's
So what former welterweight champion should G fight to be legit in your eyes?
LMMFAO
VANES is a BUM. Period, end of. Your hero is 1-0-1 - with the win being at best controversial - against the two best names on his resume.
Hopkins' resume urinates and deficates on Bumlovkin's every day of the week and twice on Sunday...
Bumlovkin won his first legit title from Lemieux - a journeyman. Alvarez had *0* fights at the 160lb limit going into the Bumlovkin fight and, like Kell Brook, is a former WELTERWEIGHT. At minimum, Hopkins beat all of his Welters. What's Bumlovkin's problem?
Your boy charlo went life and death vanes and so did andrade. GGG sparked him in 2. Hopkins best win at MW was against a career welterweight in tito and a past prime de la hoya who was a career welterweight. LMAO at you hyping up mercardo. Alvarez and jacobs > tito all day long.
LOL
Hopkins @ 36 would have CLOWNED Bumlovkin. Bernard's resume post his 36th birthday defecates and urinates on Bumlovkins. Please stop smoking the Crack. Bernard won the LEGIT LHW title in his mid 40's. Bumlovkin has yet to win the LEGIT MW title in his mid 30's. LOL..
Hopkins at 36 loses to ggg. Bad style matchup. He wouldn't get past the jab and would get outworked UD. Taylor beat him twice already. Hopkins has several kinks in his armor. GGG has yet to lose.
This is the embarrassing thing about Golovkin's resume, fans are always trying to give him credit for fights he didn't even fight.
I like the guy but his resume is weak AF. That's just the way it is. I like Calzaghe too but his resume wasn't strong. Sometimes you gotta be honest.
Context is important when comparing resumes don't ya think? What opportunities were made available & did the athlete try to take on challenges when presented. All resume's are not created equal because not all have those same opportunities for one reason or another. This is why Golovkin being avoided in his prime is part of the context that needs weighed in evaluating talent. The same way NFL pro scouts evaluate DivII prospects that don't have the same chances to perform against the best. It's all about how one performs when given those same chances. It'll always be a question now since Golovkin is over the hill in terms of boxing prime, but it's a valid point that has merit & deserves consideration.
Let's remember Hagler fought three truly elite men. One a LW, and two WW's, yet he's the gold standard at MW.
Resume isn't the only thing, it's just one part of the equation.
LOL
Hopkins @ 36 would have CLOWNED Bumlovkin. Bernard's resume post his 36th birthday defecates and urinates on Bumlovkins. Please stop smoking the Crack. Bernard won the LEGIT LHW title in his mid 40's. Bumlovkin has yet to win the LEGIT MW title in his mid 30's. LOL..
So why according to you did it take Hopkins till his late fourties to get a legit title. Here comes the excuses..
Am I'm supposed to be impressed by this list of TOMATO CANs?
William Bo James
John David Jackson
Joe Lipsey
Andrew Council
Simon Brown
Robert Allen 3x
Antwun Echols 2x
Syd Vanderpool
Carl Daniels
Morrade Hakkar
Oh what a great list, right?
This is the embarrassing thing about Golovkin's resume, fans are always trying to give him credit for fights he didn't even fight.
I like the guy but his resume is weak AF. That's just the way it is. I like Calzaghe too but his resume wasn't strong. Sometimes you gotta be honest.
Bumlovkin could have fought Alvarez a year earlier @ 155. Bumlovkin tucked his tail and dipped out and now we all know why. “I would fight Floyd at 154 though”.
Lol..
And he held his position knowing his worth and fought the cheater at 160 instead.:beerchug:
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