Enough is enough. Canelo ggg and saunders are three top dogs who bring in the most money in the division. These guys can't sit on the sidelines hoping for a payday. Do what ggg did when he started out. Wipe everyone until the champ has to vacate or fight you. They all need to fight each other instead of waiting for the next 22-22 guy.
It's WBC propaganda that Charlo is the interim champion? You sure you know what words mean? I'm just stating plain fact. Charlo is the interim champion. They'll have to fight him or vacate.
Keeping belts unified is very easy. Just fight your mandatories. The problem is that it's often better for the fighter to ditch belts so he can fight easier voluntaries.
GGG could have kept his IBF belt, but he wanted an easier fight against Vanes.
If GGG or Canelo vacate to avoid Charlo, it'll be the same issue.
You don't have undisputed champions because it's too hard to stay champion when you have to constantly fight top fighters, so fighters prefer to have fewer belts so they can take easier fights.
I know what words mean.
Put an 'S' in front of words and you get swords. Words are like swords - they are cutting and can cause you trouble. Condescending words are like the thrust of a sword but words of righteousness are of healing.
You are twisting my words into things which i did not say to create controversy and lead us away from the truth.
You said 'Charlo wiped everyone'. We all know this is bullsh*t, yet you try to defend it til the end. Charlo has done F*CK ALL in middleweight thus far.
3 weeks is sufficient time to enforce a mandatory challenger...
By the way, don't patronize me, mr abc public relations twat.
Haha you must be joking. Otherwise, sounds like wbc propaganda.
It's WBC propaganda that Charlo is the interim champion? You sure you know what words mean? I'm just stating plain fact. Charlo is the interim champion. They'll have to fight him or vacate.
Neither Heiland or Centeno have fought more than 1 top 10 mw, let alone for a world title. Centeno's ONLY 12 rounder was vs Charlo, and one legged Heiland's last 12 rounder was when he beat Macklin in 2014 (fought nobodies after that).
None of that changes a single thing I said.
I'm all for fighting mandatories, but wbc & ibf need to get their sh*t together, so being undisputed isn't such a headfuck.
Keeping belts unified is very easy. Just fight your mandatories. The problem is that it's often better for the fighter to ditch belts so he can fight easier voluntaries.
GGG could have kept his IBF belt, but he wanted an easier fight against Vanes.
If GGG or Canelo vacate to avoid Charlo, it'll be the same issue.
You don't have undisputed champions because it's too hard to stay champion when you have to constantly fight top fighters, so fighters prefer to have fewer belts so they can take easier fights.
The same could be said about Canelo, he has yet to beat anyone at MW. A real MW.
some people think he beat ggg...that's leagues better than a cripple and centeno. yea, charlo is somehow the interim champ, but I don't expect canelo or ggg to have any interest in fighting him with unification fights and a possible 3rd fight in the picture. charlo shouldn't be waiting around for that shot imo.
Haha you must be joking. Otherwise, sounds like wbc propaganda.
Neither Heiland or Centeno have fought more than 1 top 10 mw, let alone for a world title. Centeno's ONLY 12 rounder was vs Charlo, and one legged Heiland's last 12 rounder was when he beat Macklin in 2014 (fought nobodies after that).
I'm all for fighting mandatories, but wbc & ibf need to get their sh*t together, so being undisputed isn't such a headfuck. There should not be 2 abc's demanding mandatories at the same time. Also, ibf should not force a mandatory on 3 weeks notice.. should have done it before or not at all.
How do you think GGG got his WBC and WBA titles? He didn't beat any top fighter to become a mandatory or interim title holder. Those are two titles that were hande to him and never even beat a champion for them. The only belt he actually won by beating the champ was the one that got stripped, the IBF. It was the IBF's turn as GGG hasn't done a mandatory since 2016. IBF gave him an exemption to fight Canelo. Since he wasn't fighting Canelo, he had to make his mandatory, they allowed him another exemption to fight Vanes but had agree to fight his mandatory next. Pretty simple if you ask me.
I don't think anyone is ducking Charlo. He hasn't beaten anyone at mw.
The same could be said about Canelo, he has yet to beat anyone at MW. A real MW.
That's exactly what Charlo did. Canelo/GGG winner will have to vacate or fight him.
Haha you must be joking. Otherwise, sounds like wbc propaganda.
Neither Heiland or Centeno have fought more than 1 top 10 mw, let alone for a world title. Centeno's ONLY 12 rounder was vs Charlo, and one legged Heiland's last 12 rounder was when he beat Macklin in 2014 (fought nobodies after that).
I'm all for fighting mandatories, but wbc & ibf need to get their sh*t together, so being undisputed isn't such a headfuck. There should not be 2 abc's demanding mandatories at the same time. Also, ibf should not force a mandatory on 3 weeks notice.. should have done it before or not at all.
Yes, unification would take precedence, but they won't be able to duck Charlo forever.
Even Canelo got stripped by the WBC for not fighting the interim champion (GGG), so nobody should doubt whether the WBC would strip GGG (or Canelo) if it comes to that. Charlo might have to wait another year, but he'll get his shot or be upgraded to full champion eventually.
I don't think anyone is ducking Charlo. He hasn't beaten anyone at mw.
Enough is enough. Canelo ggg and saunders are three top dogs who bring in the most money in the division. These guys can't sit on the sidelines hoping for a payday. Do what ggg did when he started out. Wipe everyone until the champ has to vacate or fight you. They all need to fight each other instead of waiting for the next 22-22 guy.Jacobs is fighting Sergey but Jermall should fight Andrade. The winner could honestly say he beat a top middleweight because neither has done that yet.
Unless the winner goes for a unification fight vs Saunders...that should take precedence and the wbc would probably grant an extension. It also remains to be seen if the wbc will enforce the mandatory like the ibf did.
Yes, unification would take precedence, but they won't be able to duck Charlo forever.
Even Canelo got stripped by the WBC for not fighting the interim champion (GGG), so nobody should doubt whether the WBC would strip GGG (or Canelo) if it comes to that. Charlo might have to wait another year, but he'll get his shot or be upgraded to full champion eventually.
I was surprised to hear that Golovkin had Saunders locked in as a backup if the Canelo fight didnt get made.
Sulaiman was pretty clear that if GGG didnt fight Canelo, then he had to fight Charlo.
So Golovkin having Saunders on standby (instead of charlo) tells me he is pretty much done worrying about what the ABCs might or might not do, and has no hesitation whatsoever about making a decision that will result in being stripped of yet another belt.....
I understand why you would have that suspicion, but the WBC and WBA are far more liberal than the IBF and I'm confident both would have allowed a unification to trump a mandatory. Unification almost always trumps mandatory. Only time it doesn't is when some of the trickier aspects of IBF procedure aren't followed correctly.
That's exactly what Charlo did. Canelo/GGG winner will have to vacate or fight him.
Unless the winner goes for a unification fight vs Saunders...that should take precedence and the wbc would probably grant an extension. It also remains to be seen if the wbc will enforce the mandatory like the ibf did.
That's exactly what Charlo did. Canelo/GGG winner will have to vacate or fight him.
He could fight jacobs or darvenkchenko and it would be just as compelling...
I was surprised to hear that Golovkin had Saunders locked in as a backup if the Canelo fight didnt get made.
Sulaman was pretty clear that if GGG didnt fight Canelo, then he had to fight Charlo.
So Golovkin having Saunders on standby (instead of charlo) tells me he is pretty much done worrying about what the ABCs might or might not do, and has no hesitation about making a decision that will result in being stripped of yet another belt.....
I don't think they'd strip him if he fought a unification fight with Saunders. A unification trumps a mandatory in most cases.
Enough is enough. Canelo ggg and saunders are three top dogs who bring in the most money in the division. These guys can't sit on the sidelines hoping for a payday. Do what ggg did when he started out. Wipe everyone until the champ has to vacate or fight you. They all need to fight each other instead of waiting for the next 22-22 guy.
for once i agree with you..
That's exactly what Charlo did. Canelo/GGG winner will have to vacate or fight him.
I was surprised to hear that Golovkin had Saunders locked in as a backup if the Canelo fight didnt get made.
Sulaiman was pretty clear that if GGG didnt fight Canelo, then he had to fight Charlo.
So Golovkin having Saunders on standby (instead of charlo) tells me he is pretty much done worrying about what the ABCs might or might not do, and has no hesitation whatsoever about making a decision that will result in being stripped of yet another belt.....
Enough is enough. Canelo ggg and saunders are three top dogs who bring in the most money in the division. These guys can't sit on the sidelines hoping for a payday. Do what ggg did when he started out. Wipe everyone until the champ has to vacate or fight you.
That's exactly what Charlo did. Canelo/GGG winner will have to vacate or fight him.