Better counter-puncher: James Toney or Juan Manuel Marquez

They’re totally different in their approach, so it’s very hard to determine which is the better counter puncher. They are at the opposite ends of the spectrum in how they operated and used their counters. Toney was more an in the pocket, defensive counter puncher while Marquez was an outside, aggressive counter puncher that used high punch combinations and power punching. Both absolutely amazing. I like Marquez for his combinations and going balls to the wall to land some of the best combos I think we’ve ever seen and Toney for the way he set up his counters inside and off his defense. Hard to compare them though as they fought so different.

james toney hands down. aside from fighting manny and giving him a hard time, im not that really impress with marquez. he just got pac figured out. i think he got lucky when matched with pac early on in their career which continue on a rivalry. i feel if he never fought manny, most people wont even know who marquez is. he looks like crap in the bradley fight. i've never seen him get clown like that. :lol1: Not impressed?? That's hilarious.

Marquez's combinations are on another level.

I would go with toney. I have seen marquez been outboxed, i have seen toney NEVER been thoroughly outboxed in his career. Outside his prime obviously. Also toneys punchs naturally looked like counter punches they would flow effortlessly. Marquez would load up on his counters to get the full effect. Watching toneys was more natural like watching raindrops or the river flow. Then you have barely watched him then. Roy Jones schooled him so badly it looked like it was Toney's amateur debut. Reggie Johnson outboxed him. Micheal Nunn outboxed him (before he was caught) Montel Griffin outboxed him. He was not hard to outbox at all.

I pick Marquez but I am not sure. They were both great counter punchers.

J.M.M but not dissing toney but Marquez was just soo damn awesome to watch when he landed those 10 punch combinations!!

Marques was destined to be a great in the sport. With that skill level, talent, hunger and heart he absolutely was.

I'm convinced you really don't know or didn't see a great deal of his career with these comments. He was 40 and at welterweight when he fought Bradley. If someone isn't impressed with Marquez it's usually a diehard Pacquaio fan and funnily enough one that usually thinks Pacquaio is like top 10 of all-time. I think he is mistaken on his input, saying without pacquiao he would be a nobody is nonsense. Who knows, maybe he would have had a trilogy with barrera,or morales or whoemever, but to be unknown without pac makes no sense, Marques was destined to be a great in the sport.

james toney hands down. aside from fighting manny and giving him a hard time, im not that really impress with marquez. he just got pac figured out. i think he got lucky when matched with pac early on in their career which continue on a rivalry. i feel if he never fought manny, most people wont even know who marquez is. he looks like crap in the bradley fight. i've never seen him get clown like that. Casamayor,katsidis, diaz,rocky juarez,barrera,salido//

Marquez Though it’s very close

james toney hands down. aside from fighting manny and giving him a hard time, im not that really impress with marquez. he just got pac figured out. i think he got lucky when matched with pac early on in their career which continue on a rivalry. i feel if he never fought manny, most people wont even know who marquez is. he looks like crap in the bradley fight. i've never seen him get clown like that. I'm convinced you really don't know or didn't see a great deal of his career with these comments. He was 40 and at welterweight when he fought Bradley. If someone isn't impressed with Marquez it's usually a diehard Pacquaio fan and funnily enough one that usually thinks Pacquaio is like top 10 of all-time.

I would go with toney. I have seen marquez been outboxed, i have seen toney NEVER been thoroughly outboxed in his career. Outside his prime obviously. Also toneys punchs naturally looked like counter punches they would flow effortlessly. Marquez would load up on his counters to get the full effect. Watching toneys was more natural like watching raindrops or the river flow.

Marquez. The man would throw beautiful counter punches in combination and was always showing great variation. Toney was damn great as a counter puncher too. Two of my absolute favorites.

Jmm counter with beautiful combo's while Toney was more of a single shot guy. I think Jmm performed on a higher level to be honest and his perfect counter punch made history for him

Marquez better on the Exchange Toney better counter puncher

Both were pure strategist when countering but I have to lean towards Marquez.

I'm gonna say Toney here. So, so slick. In saying that, had he slipped a few more punches, he wouldn't be talking like a drunken sailor now.

Marquez is my favorite fighter of the past 20 years but I gotta say James Toney is superior in the counter punching department.

Marquez was more consistent with it. Both struggled with guy's who didn't engage though

hard one but ill go with tony hes my fav fighter of all time he was so smooth wit it!