i was feeling nostalgic this weekend so i watch a couple of old tito's fights from when he was the IBF champ. how do you guys think he would've done vs the fighter from today?
don't know if this discusion has been proposed before, never do threads like this one. (don't you guys miss the 90s?)
i think he KOs them all, maybe goes down vs a few, like spence, but the man was a killer.
He'd absolutely fooking destroy Danny Garcia and Keith Thurman. He would knock Shawn Porter out in a round. He'd get outboxed by Amir Khan for a few rounds then smash him to pieces. Errol Spence Jr. would come out victorious in a great fight.
Tito KOs or stops all the current prime welterweights, Spence included. He beats all the current junior middleweights as well.
Tito was a special fighter from 147-154.
Prime Margarito that made Cotto quit would do the same to Trinidad imo, it would just be a constant onslaught and he'd wear Trinidad down.
Is that with or without the hand wraps?
I don't see any of them beating him. I think Crawford gives him the best fight out of all of them. Spence doesn't have the style to get on the inside of Tito or defend against his punches. I can see Spence picking himself up off the canvas a time or two and losing a UD. Thurman, Garcia, Porter, Horn, and Khan would all get mauled.
People like Mcnulty, who seem to know the game best exempified Tito... Whether you like him, or not, it wasn't just that he was a puncher, he was a puncher who would make sure he landed his shots.
In other words while stylistically guys like Thurman can move a bit thats a far cry from being able to deal with a puncher in the mold of joe Louis... a guy like Trinidad. For a puncher to be a great fighter they have to make opportunities. A guy like Ron lyle or Shavers could punch as hard and as well as anyone, but they could not consistantly make opportunities and so they could be "defanged." That ain't happening with Tito at Welter or middle for that matter. Not with these half baked guys.
Some may point to Hopkins but Bernard was a great fighter with a similar will, skills, and who could exploite the stylistic advantages he had over Tito.
Tito would land on all these guys including Canelo. I happen to like Cotto a lot more than Trinidad but the difference in ability and skill is large. Cotto was going in the direction of Tito with the body punching but sort of decided to become more well rounded, all things to all people. he lost the focus, single mindedness and ability to land that Tito had.
I agree. I always find it tedious the way a lot of fans (who I swear didn't follow his career when he was active) assume if a guy has Boxing skill it's an automatic win vs. Tito. He broke wills and had a ton of fire in his belly. The Reid fight was a good example. Reid is Boxing well, has Tito's respect and Tito stays calm, patient and changes the whole complexion of the fight with a perfect career changing left hook.
People like Mcnulty, who seem to know the game best exempified Tito... Whether you like him, or not, it wasn't just that he was a puncher, he was a puncher who would make sure he landed his shots.
In other words while stylistically guys like Thurman can move a bit thats a far cry from being able to deal with a puncher in the mold of joe Louis... a guy like Trinidad. For a puncher to be a great fighter they have to make opportunities. A guy like Ron lyle or Shavers could punch as hard and as well as anyone, but they could not consistantly make opportunities and so they could be "defanged." That ain't happening with Tito at Welter or middle for that matter. Not with these half baked guys.
Some may point to Hopkins but Bernard was a great fighter with a similar will, skills, and who could exploite the stylistic advantages he had over Tito.
Tito would land on all these guys including Canelo. I happen to like Cotto a lot more than Trinidad but the difference in ability and skill is large. Cotto was going in the direction of Tito with the body punching but sort of decided to become more well rounded, all things to all people. he lost the focus, single mindedness and ability to land that Tito had.
If Tito catches him nearly as often Cotto did he'd be out of there quicker than old Mosley took him out.
Different levels of fighter and much different levels of power.
I'd argue Mosley was much more explosive and was more tailor made for that type of opponent.
Prime Margarito that made Cotto quit would do the same to Trinidad imo, it would just be a constant onslaught and he'd wear Trinidad down.
If Tito catches him nearly as often Cotto did he'd be out of there quicker than old Mosley took him out.
Different levels of fighter and much different levels of power.
I think Tito would permanently injure Margarito. That wouldn't even be a contest and Margarito's durability would mean it's a sustained beating.
We are talking broken bones, severely shortened career, time in hospital type beating.
Prime Margarito that made Cotto quit would do the same to Trinidad imo, it would just be a constant onslaught and he'd wear Trinidad down.
if you have a jab, tito is easy work
More specifically someone that could jab and move. Tito was a monster, but he wasn't without his flaws. I would certainly see him beating everyone except maybe Thurman and Crawford simply because they have the tools to exploit Tito's weaknesses. The problem they would have would be overcoming the height and reach disadvantage.
tito vs margarito will be epic. I have to pick margarito.
I think Tito would permanently injure Margarito. That wouldn't even be a contest and Margarito's durability would mean it's a sustained beating.
We are talking broken bones, severely shortened career, time in hospital type beating.
I miss Tito as well. The dude had some serious charisma. I don't think the current crop of fighters would even think of stepping into the ring with Tito. I will agree with anyone though he definitely needed a second trainer in his corner. His father was good but they needed to work on that lateral movement. I think what kept people in front of him was the fact that he was known for touching the canvas early and everyone wanted to be the first to K.O. Tito.
I think Tito was so devastating at mid-range that if anyone lingered there even just a few seconds too late they'd get cracked by Tito and dudes tended to stay hit when Tito got them. Most fighters tried to stay away but Tito would suffocate them with his blend of subtle pressure and mental pressure. He had tremendous fighting spirit.
Over time he fell in love with his power and his Dad didn't try to improve aspects of his game. He was great at keeping him focused and hungry but he could have used an extra pair of eyes that would help him with lateral movement. He was tended to move only to his left and load up a lot towards his late 20's and I'm sure had it been worked on earlier he'd perhaps have been even better.
You are right on the charisma. He had that in abundance. People just love the guy. Had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times and he's as nice a guy as you could hope to meet. Really makes you proud of the sport.
Tito was a BIG welter, even somebody like Spence who's the biggest welter today doesn't compare to him in size. I don't think this era's welters are as destructive as Tito, but I do think a fit Thuman and Spence give him a serious fight
I miss Tito as well. The dude had some serious charisma. I don't think the current crop of fighters would even think of stepping into the ring with Tito. I will agree with anyone though he definitely needed a second trainer in his corner. His father was good but they needed to work on that lateral movement. I think what kept people in front of him was the fact that he was known for touching the canvas early and everyone wanted to be the first to K.O. Tito.
Yeah, he'd break everyone at 154 too. Much as I like Hurd that would be the ugliest beating.
Yeah a younger version of Lara would present some stylistic problems but he beats them all comfortably