A point on Canelo hair testing: what's your opinion?

Source: https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/4/27/17289856/canelo-alvarezs-hair-sample-tests-negative-for-clenbuterol My opinion is he is a cheat that got caught but he has the money and the organizations in his back pocket to cover up and pay off testing to give him the appearance that he is clean. He is the face of boxing right now and the top draw so of course every thing was done to prove his innocence. Think about it for a second. How would boxing look of the face of the sport was a drug cheat??? It would lose tons of credibility. That’s why Floyd’s tests were covered up and now this. I have no dog in the fight this is just my honest opinion just like I think most elite boxeers are on something

He lives in Mexico. Did you miss that part? And as well all know, no one living in Mexico can avoid popping dirty. In fact Clenbuterol is so widespread that asthma isn't a thing in Mexico, and if you get an asthma-attack, you are just served a beef-smoothie.

Golovkin and Abel are getting so much heat lately. From Abel saying black fighters don’t sell, Mexican esstyle, Lil’G saying it’s all business now, doesn’t mind to lose the belt, dream fights were literally dream fights!!! Lol. Lil’G was already owned by Ward long ago, and the Lil’G moniker has grown immensely throughout the scene. That’s what he gets for wussing out with the Canelo rematch since he didn’t have a strategy to begin with. I hope Lil’G doesn’t get the rematch or at he very least the headlines say that Nelo gets 70% take it or leave it cause Jacobs is waiting again and Charlo. A definite loss is approaching. Maybe Abel and Lil’G will finally have the balls to move up. We’ll never know which of the two clowns wanted to stay at 160 Indeed. It's should be obvious to everyone by now that Golovkin's motivations and risk/reward calculations are essentially the same as every other fighters', as they always were and as, in fact, we should expect. As to the rest of your post, well... I've been one of the first to say that Golovkin needs to fight his mandos, and further that he should have fought Saunders' last year. And yeah. I'm pretty sure he won't run the Gauntlet of 3 mandos and Saunders undefeated, as I must have said about half a dozen times this week.

Sure. Like Golovkin’s excuse to say 154-168 was “ez fomi” and will now drop his IBF after claiming “all the belts as a dream,” was, as we all said before, just bull****, as the simplest reasoning Well. I wouldn't personally say that that's the explanation of GGGs career that involves the fewest assumptions, but if you think it is, then yes, a bit like that. At any road, entirely unlike the elaborate theory you expound in your previous post.

I’ve had some revised theories of my own. One thing is, I’m wondering if Oscar and Loeffler played this whole charade all along. One of my original theories were hardcore insiders theories was that Floyd was going to return in May for 80% chance so boh promoters dipped out. Because given the circumstances from Vargas (including Rafael or Pugmire) how could they have forgotten about their articles before on Clenbuterol? Were hey helping both parties sabotage the fight? How bad would it have looked if Oscar and Loeffler cancelled their fight formally out of insecurity for Floyd’s return in the UFC to make 8 million PPV. It is unlikely, but then again, how did Lil’G go full retârd about wraps, needles, marks a week later on ESPN to being totally fine with canelo? Seems like it was all scripted. There are many inconsistencies regarding this. One major benefit is that’s canelo would be the first boxer ever to do hair testing for a banned substance being controversial in Mexico, China and Russia (per Goodman’s own words). If K2 weren’t in on helping Oscar feel insecure about Floyd’s return then surely GGG is a puśśy for dipping out of the fight while having gone different character throughout the rematch interviews. A lot of it doesn’t make any sense. With all this. I want Canelo to take Lil’Gs remaining belts in September and we continue with the new breed of 160 fighters in Drade and Charlo to then Spence in 2020. Canelo and all these guys are relatively the same age. Lil’G can go fight whoever or wherever. As soon as the hypejob is gone the better for the sport. I’m sure Loeffler Abel Andy Lil’G pissed off a lot of their own fans. You ever heard of Occam's razor, man?:rofl:

Fuck off inbred. You pussies were calling, DEMANDING hair tests, because it tested as far back as 6 months, but now that it came back negative you trailer trash want to say it's not legit. Listen here, overrepresented-in-crime-stats, I know your kind has trouble reading. Everyone asked for the hair tests at the time, not 3 weeks later.

Nice work, man. I thought I'd seen you mention something like that in the past. I've a slightly longer experience of rehab services myself, but erm.. from the other side, so to speak. Peace brother. It was long bridge to cross, as far as understanding addiction. I'd done every chemical under the sun and could always stop cold turkey. So, I didn't have much sympathy at first. But, learning that these are good people, enslaved by something that overrides their ability to stop,it really changed me as a person. Had the health care system not used and burned me out so badly (they fired two other managers when they decided I could run 3 depts by myself) I'd still be doing it. Sorry TS for going off topic.

So many people are in love with the feeling of being able to say, "they caught you!" that they can't let that go, no matter what evidence you present them. I remember arguing with kfod once about Kovalev being dropped and he said it simply did not happen. I showed him an article written by a columnist the night he witnessed it in the arena. Kfod still refused to acknowledge it. That's when I first realized how people here write their own reality, based on what makes them feel good. I think most now realize Canelo probably didn't do clen. But, some will never let that feeling go. They love it too much. You can't take that candy away. Beware those who spew vitriol for the attention but who have never been reporters. The smart play was to wait it out. The guys convinced he was a juicer look like fools right about now. But they will be too prideful to admit it. #boxing https://t.co/HI0JKuBlDW— Gabriel Montoya™ (@Gabriel_Montoya) April 27, 2018 You can literally go back weeks and find posts from most of these guys saying hair tests are more accurate to prove if he was cheating or meat if Canelo was really innocent he will take this test. He does and the results don't support their cheater argument so they are all now moving the goal post and discrediting the test and the expert they used to say knew more about drug testing then anyone. This is agenda based at this point and not about what actually happened.

VADA were the consultants and controllers for the testing. They are the ones that initiate for who and where the hair follicles go to, and chose the WADA lab affiliated. They then provide the information to the commission. How is the last option that the commission can’t be trusted if they are being provided the information? Lol Lil’G fans still naive that’s Canelo was setup by the WBC and VADA to help Loeffler dip out of a fight and tarnish Canelo’s name per Suleyman’s 2 year belt refusal. And he pretended to headline in favor of Canelo to gain that team’s trust yet they WBC and VADA were all joint. If Süleyman, regardless of Goodman always quiet yet she’s the CEO of VADA and was vocal about Vargas, you’d think Suleyman would’ve defended Canelo before any of the March 3 or 5th results were announced. Truth is Süleyman knew Canelo would refuse the WBC again and so he decided to make sure his 160 belts would gain profit on any alternative GGG opponent. Karma prevails. All of industry quiet now. Even Pugmire cowering away with conte’s opinions on hair testing. All this charade to protect Golovkin. Seems like industry has more of a grudge against Oscar than Canelo and many to fanboy and empathize for Loeffler, regardless if Bhop and Oscar were actual fighters. The real irony is this shows just how bias some of the media were during this entire process. Killing Canelo and driving a narrative propping up Victor Conte who banged the drum that Canelo had to do the hair test to prove his innocence. No bigger fraud then Lance Pugmire who was leaking info from day 1 on a hourly basis because his insider was Loeffler. Condemning Canelo at every turn and quoting Victor Conte. Since the hair test news broke this clown is now very quite and ignoring Victor Conte's 20+ tweets shooting holes at fanboys trying to discredit the hair test and all but stating Canelo is a innocent man. Steve Kim is another GGG fanboy who is very quite these days lol

Whattup Redd, the pimp is back! The Lil’G fans still don’t realize that “tampering” with evidence would be to Lil’Gs defense t continue theorizing that he “cheated.” As if WADA would casually leave out info that human hair was blasted away with chemicals consistent with bleach. As if employers that were to test for marijuana would even have the same protocol molecular testing as WADA labs. Employers at a Walmart could care less if bleaching were a tampering. Not that Walmart would even do hair testing as many of their employees are on crack anyways. Lil’G fans mang So many people are in love with the feeling of being able to say, "they caught you!" that they can't let that go, no matter what evidence you present them. I remember arguing with kfod once about Kovalev being dropped and he said it simply did not happen. I showed him an article written by a columnist the night he witnessed it in the arena. Kfod still refused to acknowledge it. That's when I first realized how people here write their own reality, based on what makes them feel good. I think most now realize Canelo probably didn't do clen. But, some will never let that feeling go. They love it too much. You can't take that candy away.

Yes, I can. Because it alterations such as bleaching, dyes, chemical strippers, all leave traces (aka, "artifacts"). Testing after a day or a month makes little difference in this regard. I worked in a rehab facility for 5 years and know a bit about testing. I So, kindly STFU. Nice work, man. I thought I'd seen you mention something like that in the past. I've a slightly longer experience of rehab services myself, but erm.. from the other side, so to speak.

You dumbass, you do know hair testing goes as far back as 6 MONTHS. But fuck right? Because you inbred, cousin fucking trailer trash, pussies wanted hair testing and now that's it's negative, you inbreds are claiming it's not legit. Go plan your next mass shooting wonderbread. If you can wait 3 weeks, how can it be legit? Also stop being a racist.

Second point , as a boxing fan, I'm reaching schizophrenia with that story. I feel like there is something fishy and cheating in boxing is just so bad. But at the same time, Canelo is just one of the most fun fighter to watch and the best record, bigger star in boxing, so you don't really want him getting ruined. At least it doesn't help the sport, that's just a bad look for boxing. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Canelo wouldn't or hasn't cheated. I just don't think he cheated with clen so close to the testing stages. It makes little sense, yet there's an epidemic with steroids used in Mexican livestock, that makes a lot of sense. A lot of people are either defending our vilifying him based on whether they like him or not. I'm neither here nor there with Canelo. I'm just basing my opinion on whether I think he took clen then and it doesn't seem he did. If he was popped for say, equipoise in December, I would not be the least bit surprised.

BEFORE the test everyone screaming well if Canelo were a innocent man he would just agree to a hair test. A test that according to Nevada no other combat athlete has done. A test that you all swore he wouldn't take because he's guilty and a hair test would reveal all kinds of OTHER PEDS canelo was on. You also quoted and swore nobody knows more about drug testing then expert Victor Conte. NOW that Canelo gave the hair test and it's negative supporting what he said from day 1 which is that he isn't a cheater and ate contaminated meat. Now taking the test doesn't mean he is innocent and you don't trust the results anyway. And oh yeah that Victor Conte guys who knows used to know this shyt like the back of his hand doesn't know shyt about hair tests. Some major flip flopping up in here LMAO

Canelo is not some pot smoking teen going in to get a follicle test for a job. He's part of a multi-million dollar organization that has more millions riding on passing that test. Do I know all the science behind the testing of hair? No. Do I suspect there is a lot more to it than we have been able to google up in the last couple months? Yes, I'm pretty sure. Do I think that there are methods of leaching chemicals from hair? Yes, once again pretty sure there are. Do I think that Canelo's camp had already run a follicle test on Canelo's hair and knew the results before even thinking about doing an official test? Yes Anybody other than those with direct knowledge, claiming to know 100% one way or another about Canelo's PED use are delusional.

Couple points every expert I have seen including Victor Conte and even WADA states a hair test is more accurate to determine intent to cheat instead of meat contamination. Also the reason urine test is used today and not hair test has little to do with it not being accurate enough and more to do with urine test being cheaper. And idiots who keep saying well the bad hair is gone after 3 weeks no it isn't. 1) It's in the hair follicles your body produces for 6 months. Meaning it's in hair that HASN'T even popped out of your body yet at the time you were on PEDs. 2) If you used chemicals to try and scrub it those chemicals would leave traces and WADA would know about it. 3) Your hair contains your DNA so you can't just swap it with someone else 4) Canelo has long hair here it is the fight press conference https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/10308254_web1_ggg-canelo_022718ev_016.jpg And here is him after the knee surgery after the hair test still with long hair. So stop the nonsense that Canelo has short hair and 1 hair cut would remove all his "bad" hair lol https://ringside24.com/media/post/canelo-hospital-knee.jpg 5) Even if he shaved his head completely they would just take the hair from somewhere else in his body

Perhaps Clen Boy got a number one cut before the test. I remember a famous australian rules footballer who also happened to be a junkie, he was suspended but needed to get the hair follicle test to resume his career. He turned up to the lab nearly bald , the lab conducted the test and he was cleared. The speculation was that you could best the hair test by having the short cut.

Yes, I can. Because it alterations such as bleaching, dyes, chemical strippers, all leave traces (aka, "artifacts"). Testing after a day or a month makes little difference in this regard. I worked in a rehab facility for 5 years and know a bit about testing. I So, kindly STFU. Makes little difference? Sure, if you have no access to the best medical staff in Mexico. But Canelo does.

CANELO: I predict hair testing for clenbuterol will be implemented by WADA in the not too distant future. Uninformed scribes that are attacking hair testing do not seem to understand that many WADA tests have limitations & variations w/ allowable limits arbitrarily established. https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018 CANELO: I've personally talked w/ the director of the Salt Lake City lab that did the Canelo hair test for clenbuterol. He is well informed in regards 2 the proper sample collection & testing procedures. Even CIR/IRMS test for testosterone has limitations & variations. https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018 CANELO: Hair & Urine testing 4 clenbuterol provide different types of info. Urine is recent two weeks exposure. Hair can be from a month up to six months or longer back. If you are trying to determine "intent to cheat" or abuse then hair is a better sample than urine.@edgraney https://t.co/pp5W5EFE0p— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 28, 2018

Folks still trying to attack the science because they first demanded Canelo do what other athletes refuse to do which is volunteer to take a hair test which he did and it came back negative for PED use. The hair test results for clenbuterol in the Canelo case are MORE revealing than the urine results in regards 2 possible intent to cheat. Hair results represent a longer period of time than urine results. If they had found more than 20 pg/mg of clenbuterol in his hair. BINGO!— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 27, 2018 Attacking the scientific credibility of hair testing for clenbuterol because of color variations is simply an uninformed argument. Many drug tests have all kinds of variations. Urine samples can be diluted or concentrated. Asians have much lower T/E ratios compared to blacks etc.— Victor Conte (@VictorConte) April 27, 2018