So after the PR stunt, this comes out??

So why can't Hearn and AJ have some sort of understanding on where the money is coming by having a meeting they asked for to better understand it.. before committing and saying "we accept" You know damn well if they said it and sat down and then weren't happy with the other particulars such as marketing.. venue control etc and said no we aren't doing that,, that wilder fanboys Including you three on this shill account would cry duck. exactly. I know this is all posturing from both sides. I've known Shelly for probably 20 years. He is as sharp as they come. There is NO FRIGGIN WAY he would let his client (Wilder) miss out on an 8-figure payday just because Hearn wanted to meet in person. If that were accurate, Shelly would be the stupidest manager in the world, and I can assure you he is no such thing.

Eddie Hearn said that weeks ago that this fight is already signed behind closed doors. Seems like he was right all along. People here still defending Wilder and his team who are not even willing to negotiate are just purely pathetic. I mean i get that you have some bias to fighters from your homecountry, but damn this goes to far. :boxing: The truth!! :boxing:

Firstly I think Wilder knocks AJ out. Secondly check my first few post on this when the offer was announced, I thought it was real and I still want to believe it’s real. You may very well be right about Wilder knocking AJ out. I don't see it as a sure thing, but it's very possible. Wilder tends to give away a lot of rounds and Joshua is a great fighter and very large. Wilder can go head hunting for 12 rounds but if he doesn't hit the big punch, it could be tough for Wilder to win. As for the offer, it's definitely real. That doesn't mean it's wise for Hearn to accept, but the offer is definitely real. Haymon has the full backing of Showtime on this. If the fight flops, the fight flops, but Showtime is willing to take the chance and so is Wilder. So put yourself in Hearn's shoes. Maybe Hearn agrees with you that Wilder knocks AJ out. If that's the case, isn't it Hearn's professional duty to invent excuses to delay this fight? Just because I believe the offer is real doesn’t mean I still don’t think it’s a PR stunt. Definitely a PR stunt Agree with you 100% again. It's a real offer that was announced the way it was announced as a PR stunt. To put maximum pressure on Hearn if he turns it down. If you make that offer in secret, Hearn can just say no and then go on IFL and say whatever he wants. 100% a PR stunt, but also 100% a real offer. for that amount of money you get off social media and lock yourselves in a room and sort it out. Yes of course, but there is a reason why in boxing (and some other industries) that you don't lock yourself in the room unless there is at least a general understanding in principle on the money. Otherwise, you risk spending all of this time hammering out all of these other details, only for the other party to say at the end, "well I never actually said yes to the 50 million, so I'm really gonna need 60 or the deal is off." Remember, Duco refused to meet with Hearn until there was a general understanding in principle on the financial split. Did that mean Duco didn't want the AJ fight? No, of course not. They just weren't going to give Eddie the leverage at the end of the negotiation to say, "well I didn't technically say yes to 33%, it's actually going to have to be 30%." Working out the smaller details is often a huge pain in the ass and very time consuming that people don't go through all of that until the money has been worked out. Arum needed to know that Haymon could live with 60/40 before sitting down to work out the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Arum wouldn't sit down with Finkel for Holyfield-Foreman until 62/38 had been agreed upon. It's been this way forever. Eddie isn’t as intelligent as you guy think he is. He is an opportunist. But am not speaking about Hearn here, am speaking about 50m and people sitting down and talking. So for me it is a PR stunt. Hearn is obviously a very bright guy. Yes he had the advantage of inheriting a business, but he's done an incredible job of building it to bigger and better heights. I can't say a single bad thing about how Hearn conducts business. He's very very good. But nobody is going to sit down with him to discuss the details until Hearn confirms that 50 would be acceptable if the details check out. It's just common sense. You're giving Hearn too much power in the negotiation if you agree to discuss small details before there's a mutual understanding on the money. If it doesn't make sense to you, that's fine. I'm just telling you how these things work. You don't have to understand it. For all I know you are a nuclear physicist and you could try to explain until you're blue in the face the details of your profession and I would probably never understand.

The money is real. If you think for one second that Hearn says yes and then the money isn't there, you're crazy. Haymon & Finkel have done all of the biggest fights from the 1980s until now. Seriously. Look it up. Pretty much every single one of the biggest fights in history has had Haymon or Finkel involved. It's absolutely nuts to suggest that Finkel is bluffing about the money. YES OF COURSE! YOU'RE 100% RIGHT! But the problem is that Hearn wouldn't confirm that it was enough money. If it's not enough money, there aren't any details to iron out! If I want to buy your couch for $500, we would have to figure out how I am paying the money, what day I'd be picking up the couch, etc. But none of that matters if you won't accept $500 for the couch! I don't have a horse in this race. I make $0 from this fight. I would have no problem saying Wilder's side is the reluctant side if that were the case. But knowing how fights are negotiated, and making my living negotiating fights, to me it's very obvious which side wants the fight more. If it's not obvious to you, that's fine. You enjoy watching fights. I don't expect you to understand the nuance of fight negotiations. But I've explained over and over how the biggest fights are made and waddya know, Finkel goes ahead and publishes a list of recent examples saying exactly what I've been saying. HEARN DID NOT SEND A CONTRACT WITH HIS OFFER TO DEONTAY. Why? Because that's not how it works. So when Hearn uses no contract being sent to him as an excuse, that's all it is, an excuse. Hearn has the biggest cash cow in the sport. Why the **** would he want to rush into a fight with the most dangerous puncher on the planet?!? I'm not saying Wilder would win. It could go either way. I'm just saying that if you have the biggest cash cow on planet Earth, why would you be eager to rush him into a fight with the biggest puncher on planet Earth? It's common sense. Eddie is incredibly intelligent. One of the best promoters in the world. Common sense tells us he would be an idiot to be eager to make this fight right away. Firstly I think Wilder knocks AJ out. Secondly check my first few post on this when the offer was announced, I thought it was real and I still want to believe it’s real. Just because I believe the offer is real doesn’t mean I still don’t think it’s a PR stunt. Definitely a PR stunt, for that amount of money you get off social media and lock yourselves in a room and sort it out. Eddie isn’t as intelligent as you guy think he is. He is an opportunist. But am not speaking about Hearn here, am speaking about 50m and people sitting down and talking. So for me it is a PR stunt. To be honest, this is my last post on all of this, nothing is going to change my mind about it. I have already made a promise to ignore any reply in regards to this two fighters teams. And am done here, so nice chatting to you.

Still don’t get that. You're tweakin.

The money is real. If you think for one second that Hearn says yes and then the money isn't there, you're crazy. Haymon & Finkel have done all of the biggest fights from the 1980s until now. Seriously. Look it up. Pretty much every single one of the biggest fights in history has had Haymon or Finkel involved. It's absolutely nuts to suggest that Finkel is bluffing about the money. YES OF COURSE! YOU'RE 100% RIGHT! But the problem is that Hearn wouldn't confirm that it was enough money. If it's not enough money, there aren't any details to iron out! If I want to buy your couch for $500, we would have to figure out how I am paying the money, what day I'd be picking up the couch, etc. But none of that matters if you won't accept $500 for the couch! I don't have a horse in this race. I make $0 from this fight. I would have no problem saying Wilder's side is the reluctant side if that were the case. But knowing how fights are negotiated, and making my living negotiating fights, to me it's very obvious which side wants the fight more. If it's not obvious to you, that's fine. You enjoy watching fights. I don't expect you to understand the nuance of fight negotiations. But I've explained over and over how the biggest fights are made and waddya know, Finkel goes ahead and publishes a list of recent examples saying exactly what I've been saying. HEARN DID NOT SEND A CONTRACT WITH HIS OFFER TO DEONTAY. Why? Because that's not how it works. So when Hearn uses no contract being sent to him as an excuse, that's all it is, an excuse. Hearn has the biggest cash cow in the sport. Why the **** would he want to rush into a fight with the most dangerous puncher on the planet?!? I'm not saying Wilder would win. It could go either way. I'm just saying that if you have the biggest cash cow on planet Earth, why would you be eager to rush him into a fight with the biggest puncher on planet Earth? It's common sense. Eddie is incredibly intelligent. One of the best promoters in the world. Common sense tells us he would be an idiot to be eager to make this fight right away. end of any discussion right here

This is a PR stunt. The money is real. If you think for one second that Hearn says yes and then the money isn't there, you're crazy. Haymon & Finkel have done all of the biggest fights from the 1980s until now. Seriously. Look it up. Pretty much every single one of the biggest fights in history has had Haymon or Finkel involved. It's absolutely nuts to suggest that Finkel is bluffing about the money. For that amount of money i would expect someone to sit down and iron out details. Not cancel meetings that would help propel negotiations. YES OF COURSE! YOU'RE 100% RIGHT! But the problem is that Hearn wouldn't confirm that it was enough money. If it's not enough money, there aren't any details to iron out! If I want to buy your couch for $500, we would have to figure out how I am paying the money, what day I'd be picking up the couch, etc. But none of that matters if you won't accept $500 for the couch! I don't have a horse in this race. I make $0 from this fight. I would have no problem saying Wilder's side is the reluctant side if that were the case. But knowing how fights are negotiated, and making my living negotiating fights, to me it's very obvious which side wants the fight more. If it's not obvious to you, that's fine. You enjoy watching fights. I don't expect you to understand the nuance of fight negotiations. But I've explained over and over how the biggest fights are made and waddya know, Finkel goes ahead and publishes a list of recent examples saying exactly what I've been saying. HEARN DID NOT SEND A CONTRACT WITH HIS OFFER TO DEONTAY. Why? Because that's not how it works. So when Hearn uses no contract being sent to him as an excuse, that's all it is, an excuse. Hearn has the biggest cash cow in the sport. Why the **** would he want to rush into a fight with the most dangerous puncher on the planet?!? I'm not saying Wilder would win. It could go either way. I'm just saying that if you have the biggest cash cow on planet Earth, why would you be eager to rush him into a fight with the biggest puncher on planet Earth? It's common sense. Eddie is incredibly intelligent. One of the best promoters in the world. Common sense tells us he would be an idiot to be eager to make this fight right away.

You're trippin. Still don’t get that.

But you're constantly parroting Hearn's position, so clearly his interviews work on you. Wilder doesn't really have someone publicly presenting his side all the time like AJ does. Not to mention AJ has way more fans. So the propaganda from AJ's side is way more effective. It's not an either/or situation. An offer can be both legitimate and also announced in a way to maximize publicity. Having spoken to both someone on the Wilder side and someone on the Showtime side, I have no doubt that the offer is real. Showtime is willing to bankroll the fight. If Hearn says, "we would accept 50 million as the compensation if the other deal points end up being agreeable," then Finkel & Haymon would sit down with him right away to start hammering out those other deal points. But there's nothing to discuss if Hearn won't take 50 million no matter what. That's all the Wilder side is asking for. Confirm that 50 million would be acceptable, pending other details, and then everyone can get to work on seeing if those other details can be agreed to or not. Here is the problem. AJ doesn't have the legal right to accept the offer. Hearn has an exclusive promotional agreement. Hearn has said a lot of things, but the one thing he hasn't said is, "YES I WILL AGREE TO THEIR MONETARY PROPOSAL IF THE DETAILS ARE NEGOTIATED TO MUTUAL SATISFACTION." There's not one single quote from Hearn saying he'll agree in principle to the financial aspect on the condition everything else ends up being kosher. All Haymon & Finkel are trying to do is get confirmation that the biggest stumbling block (the money) has been overcome, then all the other stuff can be negotiated. This is how all of the biggest fights in history have been made. You get an agreement in principle on the money and then you start hammering out everything else. Parroting my view, i don’t listen to Hearn that’s for us. I think guys pay more attention to him than people in this country. My stance would never change. This is a PR stunt. For that amount of money i would expect someone to sit down and iron out details. Not cancel meetings that would help propel negotiations.

Eddie Hearn said that weeks ago that this fight is already signed behind closed doors. Seems like he was right all along. People here still defending Wilder and his team who are not even willing to negotiate are just purely pathetic. I mean i get that you have some bias to fighters from your homecountry, but damn this goes to far.

Don’t know the meaning of that to be honest. You're trippin.

I don't give a toss about Eddie Hearn, I dont know how many times am going to say this to a lot of posters on here. Not all of us are fanboys of a boxers and his promoter. But you're constantly parroting Hearn's position, so clearly his interviews work on you. Wilder doesn't really have someone publicly presenting his side all the time like AJ does. Not to mention AJ has way more fans. So the propaganda from AJ's side is way more effective. Am going by what am seeing from both sides. This for me is a PR stunt, i would never be able to accept that a 50million dollar offer doesn't come with lets sit down and trash this out. It's not an either/or situation. An offer can be both legitimate and also announced in a way to maximize publicity. Having spoken to both someone on the Wilder side and someone on the Showtime side, I have no doubt that the offer is real. Showtime is willing to bankroll the fight. If Hearn says, "we would accept 50 million as the compensation if the other deal points end up being agreeable," then Finkel & Haymon would sit down with him right away to start hammering out those other deal points. But there's nothing to discuss if Hearn won't take 50 million no matter what. That's all the Wilder side is asking for. Confirm that 50 million would be acceptable, pending other details, and then everyone can get to work on seeing if those other details can be agreed to or not. I thought this fight was easy to make after they made that offer. AJ has come out and said If they thinkits worth 50m, then give me that and i would sign tomorrow....So anyone making a 50M dollar offer doesn't need to wait for "Please accept" then we can talk. Here is the problem. AJ doesn't have the legal right to accept the offer. Hearn has an exclusive promotional agreement. Hearn has said a lot of things, but the one thing he hasn't said is, "YES I WILL AGREE TO THEIR MONETARY PROPOSAL IF THE DETAILS ARE NEGOTIATED TO MUTUAL SATISFACTION." There's not one single quote from Hearn saying he'll agree in principle to the financial aspect on the condition everything else ends up being kosher. All Haymon & Finkel are trying to do is get confirmation that the biggest stumbling block (the money) has been overcome, then all the other stuff can be negotiated. This is how all of the biggest fights in history have been made. You get an agreement in principle on the money and then you start hammering out everything else.

No kool aid Ray? What about the sodium fluoride in our drinking water that's worse then kool aid lol https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/9-shocking-dangers-of-fluoride/ Its not worse than the water in flint and depending where you are in the uk we have in general less fluoride ppm than the US

You just don't understand the process and you're taking at face value the lies of Eddie Hearn. I don't give a toss about Eddie Hearn, I dont know how many times am going to say this to a lot of posters on here. Not all of us are fanboys of a boxers and his promoter. Am going by what am seeing from both sides. This for me is a PR stunt, i would never be able to accept that a 50million dollar offer doesn't come with lets sit down and trash this out. I thought this fight was easy to make after they made that offer. AJ has come out and said If they thinkits worth 50m, then give me that and i would sign tomorrow....So anyone making a 50M dollar offer doesn't need to wait for "Please accept" then we can talk.

Another LIE ! Finkel SPECIFICALLY said in his Email that they wanted the Joshua fight at the END of the year which means they have a fight lined up NOW . Wilder's offer made it very clear that neither side could take an interim fight. It would have to be the next fight for both fighters. So no, it doesn't mean they could take another fight now. If AJ accepts, AJ and Wilder wouldn't fight anyone else in between. Both sides have confirmed that was part of the offer.

So why can't Hearn and AJ have some sort of understanding on where the money is coming by having a meeting they asked for to better understand it.. before committing and saying "we accept" All they have to say is, "if we're comfortable with where the money is coming from, and other details are negotiated to our satisfaction, we would accept 50 million." Then they can sit down to talk over the other details. But so far, Hearn has refused to say that he would accept the offer even if all the other details were kosher. If he's not willing to accept 50 million under any circumstance, there's no reason to meet. You know damn well if they said it and sat down and then weren't happy with the other particulars such as marketing.. venue control etc and said no we aren't doing that,, that wilder fanboys Including you three on this shill account would cry duck. AJ said give me 50 million. They're willing to give him 50 million. Obviously the fight needs to be in Vegas to generate the most revenue. All the other particulars would be easily negotiated. When both sides want a fight, it gets done. It's just Hearn making excuses to save face.

Yeah there is less security if more money when it comes to negotiation. In the real world am sorry it doesn't work like that. You just don't understand the process and you're taking at face value the lies of Eddie Hearn. He doesn't want the fight next. He's making excuses. You don't know any better, so you believe what he says. That is your problem here. What would be VERY TYPICAL in boxing would be that the two parties have a fundamental understanding on what the financial arrangement would be and then you sit down to hammer out everything else. What Hearn is trying to do is act like he wanted to negotiate the fight and use the meeting for PR reasons to spin why the fight didn't happen. They're not going to sit with him if 50 million isn't enough. If 50 million is enough, assuming other details are to his liking, then they can sit down and try to negotiate those details. But if Hearn won't accept 50 million, no matter what, under any circumstance, what is there to discuss in person?

The only stunts being pulled are from Hearn. Wilder is deadly serious about fighting AJ and has done everything humanely possible to get the fight made short of licking Hearn's boots. We're supposed to believe Wilder would purposely embarrass himself by making an offer only to later say, "oops, sorry...I don't have the money!"? It was a genuine offer and Hearn can easily have it verified through the proper channels. Where's his counter-offer? Why doesn't he pick up the phone and speak to the right people instead of making vague statements. Oh, and the way he always says, "That's not how it works" when he's asked and then does that stupid smirk like he's in the know and everyone else is just naive. In his mind, he's the greatest promoter that's ever lived and Wilder is just some country bumpkin managed by interns. Anyone with an iota of common sense can see through his and AJ's charade. He thinks he's slick, but he's not. He's just a smug cvnt who inherited his father's contacts and now thinks he runs boxing. I also question why Hearn does not just accept the 50 mio offer. If he isnt satisfied with the terms of the contract, he could still back out of the offer and use his usual schtick to bend the public perception in his favour. But on the other hand, if Wilder is so deadset on making the fight, they still should meet up with hearn without him accepting the deal. If they believe the offer is so good, that hearn cant deny it, they should have a meeting with him.

And in collusion with WBC. Some hocus pocus has been going on in the Haymon camp.

Okay, but you've never been involved in a 50 million dollar deal, so you wouldn't have any idea what's common in those level of negotiations. But if I'm unwilling to accept the 50M, under any circumstance, why bother sitting down with me? Things work differently with less money involved. At the highest levels, the rules are very different. Yeah there is less security if more money when it comes to negotiation. In the real world am sorry it doesn't work like that.