Daily on here I see fans of one fighter downplaying anothers resume even tho the fighter they brag about has only one or two decent wins. But of all the current active fighters who really has a resume worth bragging about? Post and Discuss.
I didn't say or don't say Russell is terrible. I've actually seen nobody say that.
Who is Cintron? He's a far lesser fighter than Linares. So is Khan for that matter. Linares has accomplished more than both combined and obviously enters a Loma fight in better standing than either of those guys did vs. Canelo. Rigo did move up and I acknowledged that but you brought Khan up and didn't even acknowledge him coming up. Rigo is also a much better fighter than Khan and was ranked p4p and didn't have multiple bad KO losses to smaller men.
Canelo arguably lost to Trout was a little too close with Cotto given the circumstances and point of Cotto's career and he got lucky over Lara. A lot of folks don't think he won maybe a draw but not a win.
You think Linares has a better resume than Khan?
No way...
Khan:
Maidana
Kotelnik
Alexander
Collazo
Peterson
Judah
Malignaggi
Linares:
Mitchell
Crolla
Campbell (Even though I had Campbell edging it)
It's not even close when you really look at it. And that's without what Cintron did.
Shout out to posters who mentioned Chocolatito
Yutaka Niida
Katsunari Takayama
Estrada
Francisco Rodriguez Jr
Akira Yaegashi
Rocky Fuentes
Edgar Sosa
Brian Viloria
McWilliams Arroyo
Carlos Cuadras
Rungvisai
Thats a good resume. The lower weights need more love
Daily on here I see fans of one fighter downplaying anothers resume even tho the fighter they brag about has only one or two decent wins. But of all the current active fighters who really has a resume worth bragging about? Post and Discuss.
Pacquiao is still active and he has one of the greatest resumes of ALL TIME but moving beyond that, it is kinda difficult to look past Canelo. I know some of his fights have been controversial and others have not been within appropriate weight divisions but he has beaten a collection of very good fighters.
The same can be said of Amir Khan, Roman Gonzalez, Estrada, Rungvisai and Cuadras.
Beyond that, there is not a hell of a lot to talk of.
I understand he didn't defeat a murderers row but to clean out any division doesn't rank as sh1t. He won all four belts and barely lost a round and took down two undefeated champions. He couldn't have done more with what was in front of him.
On top of cleaning up 135 which included going on the road to win against an experienced champion and then defending against the best guy from 130 as an underdog and rounding it off with a dominant win over Beltran is also a fair run too.
He's not defeated legends but to clean out one division and then win everything at the other and all within three years is a good accomplishment especially when it's been so dominant and skilled.
His resume on pure wins and names isn't as good as Lomachenko though I know that. Hopefully he gets a chance at 147 because the elite fighters are there.
Me being critical of Bud and his resume doesn’t mean I’m not a fan of his or think he’s not the goods or wouldn’t fight anyone wthey put in front of him
Really Who cares that he cleaned out a sh.it division and got all the straps because he was with the right promoter at the right time
The names he fought at 140 in the grand scheme of things is sh.it
Let’s compare the 2 previous fighters who made good runs at 140
Bradley had the scalps of Casamayor , Peterson , Witter , Alexander , Campbell , Holt
Garcia had Moreales , Khan , Matthysse , Judah , Lamont , Holt
Now let’s look at Crawford’s 6 best names Postol, Indongo , Molina , Diaz , Dulhorme , Lundy
Notice a difference
I could care less that Bud was able to gather up all the trinkets against a list of internet hype jobs and at best fringe contenders
I put more stock in consistently fighting and beating a list that consists of future HOFers , established current or former World Champions even if some of those fighters were on the backend of their career. Because the Morales or Casamayor that Garcia / Bradley fought still beats the Molina , Dulhorme Lundys , Indongos
The thread question was what fighters have the best resume it wasn’t who had the most hollow trinkets or who passes the eye test and purely looking at Buds resume regardless of what he’s achieved he doesn’t belong on the list of active fighters with good resumes regardless if I’m a fan of his or believe he’s a top P4P fighter
And I 100% agree with you the test for Bud will be to see what he does at 147 because it’s a division infested with elite level killers in their prime
Agree Bud gets a pass strictly on the eye test and because he’s associated with Arum who has this Svengali like power to influence the greatness of his fighters to the public & media with great match making
Like I said Bud looks like the real deal he’s a bad mother f.ucker and seems like a top P4P talent but his resume is borderline sh.it
His run at 140 is sh.it
And what’s left Burns ( who hadn’t beaten a name in years and should have lost to Beltran the fight before , Beltran who is always just a fringe contender and only got his strap because it was the WBO ( which Arum seems to controll) was vacant and probably shouldn’t have even been given the decision against the African. And Gamboa who was inactive and severely undersized especially when you consider how much weight Crawford was able to gain after the weigh ins
Crawford resume isn’t very impressive
Sh.it in all honesty Danny Garcia had a better resume then Crawford by the time he fought Zab Judah when he was 24/25
I understand he didn't defeat a murderers row but to clean out any division doesn't rank as sh1t. He won all four belts and barely lost a round and took down two undefeated champions. He couldn't have done more with what was in front of him.
On top of cleaning up 135 which included going on the road to win against an experienced champion and then defending against the best guy from 130 as an underdog and rounding it off with a dominant win over Beltran is also a fair run too.
He's not defeated legends but to clean out one division and then win everything at the other and all within three years is a good accomplishment especially when it's been so dominant and skilled.
His resume on pure wins and names isn't as good as Lomachenko though I know that. Hopefully he gets a chance at 147 because the elite fighters are there.
As much as he’s been matched carefully at times, DSG’s resume is very solid.
Morales x2
Khan
Judah
Matthysse
Peterson
Guerrero
Rios.
Admittedly some of these guys were past there prime/best but still a solid list nonetheless.
This is kind of my thing with TC. I said earlier that he had a good resume but I did struggle a bit. Haha. It's really not that impressive and he's number 2 p4p according to the Ring. It's hard to see why he's put over Loma imo. I mean, obviously Bud has been a level above all of his comp but when the comp isn't that great, it's like, well, what do we really know? I'm hoping after Horn, he gets somebody real at 147. I know they want to let him and Spence marinate, but why not have them collide in the fall? It would answer so many questions about both. Besides Spence beat a broken down Brook and well, he doesn't exactly have the best resume either.
He has to get past Horn first.
Bud not tested at 147 and Horn comes to fight and win any way possible.
It will be a good tester for Bud to start of his campaign at welter.
Horn not gonna lay down and let him have it though without a scrap.
How are facts excuses, you think that 140 run was impressive , it’s not even decent in all honesty
Is anything I said not the truth he beat 2 current or former champs 1 guy was a internet hype job with 1 decent win off a Matthysse who struggled against John Molina and barely
Survived Ruslan before the Postol fight and Indongo who proved to world he’s at best a c+ fighter
140 was absolute sh.it when Bud slid in there , all the decent names had already left. It was the weakest division at the time when Crawford fought there
Don’t think for a second that TR didn’t know what they were doing it wasn’t a coincidence
They did the same thing with Loma when he bounced out of 126 to 130 which was garbage because eventually fans would have wanted to see him fight the top guys at 126 Leo,Mares , Frampton , Valdez ( I’m not saying he loses to any of them ) but TR moved Loma into a sh.it division so he could dominate a weak division and raise his profile as a elite fighter without really being tested against prime elite fighters
I’m not saying Crawford’s isn’t a f.ucking thug he’s legit but he’s on the P4P because of the eye test( which seems to matter more nowadays) not resume because even with all the straps and accolades compared to almost any other elite fighter he’s resume isn’t great
For sure Loma wants to be great and me being critical of him doesn’t diminish the fact he’s a A-class P4P thug
he wanted a strap and fight the best his first fight , took on Salido in his 2nd fight and Russell in his 3rd that’s f.ucking crazy even with his amateur pedigree
I’m nitpicking and I’m a fan of the guy but you can’t deny for the amount of fights he’s had his resume is wicked and he’s a special fighter
I hear what you're saying 135 and 140 weren't the strongest divisions but it is not easy to clean a division out let alone two.
It might not be a great feat with all things considered but to deny it's a solid feat is just silly.
140 was a barren wasteland when Crawford competed in it
Probably the worst division in the entire sport
He got his straps off of
Dulhorme for a vacant
Postol - who’s had 1 decent win
Indongo - who after getting assaulted by Prograis showed he’s maybe 1 level higher then a scrub
Add in Lundy, Diaz , Molina , Jean ( none of these fighters has ever won a world championship and between the 4 might have 4-6 good names on their resume in total )
This whole list consists of 2 fighters who have won a strap ( Postol & Indongo ) Postol got his off Matthysse in a vacant and Indongo who beat Tverosky and Burns . Tverosky has never beaten a legitimate name and Burns got his strap from a vacant fighting a domestic level scrub and hasn’t beaten a decent name in probably 5-7 years
That’s not impressive or a good list
Bud is a great fighter with a lack lustre resume just he was at the right place right time with the right connections
But he shouldn’t be mentioned for fighters having top notch resumes
Damn Bruh . Thanks . Couldn't have said it better myself .
The Gamboa and Postol wins since he didn't seem to struggle with either. I thought those were quality. Admittedly, the Indongo win looked a lot better before Indongo's last fight. :lol1:
Gamboa looked like a midget in that fight and was Still touching up Crawford . Postol ... OMG . Bud fought too cautious and was borderline running . Boring fight .
Sounds like a lot of excuses to me.
If you clean out two divisions your resume is atleast solid.
How are facts excuses, you think that 140 run was impressive , it’s not even decent in all honesty
Is anything I said not the truth he beat 2 current or former champs 1 guy was a internet hype job with 1 decent win off a Matthysse who struggled against John Molina and barely
Survived Ruslan before the Postol fight and Indongo who proved to world he’s at best a c+ fighter
140 was absolute sh.it when Bud slid in there , all the decent names had already left. It was the weakest division at the time when Crawford fought there
Don’t think for a second that TR didn’t know what they were doing it wasn’t a coincidence
They did the same thing with Loma when he bounced out of 126 to 130 which was garbage because eventually fans would have wanted to see him fight the top guys at 126 Leo,Mares , Frampton , Valdez ( I’m not saying he loses to any of them ) but TR moved Loma into a sh.it division so he could dominate a weak division and raise his profile as a elite fighter without really being tested against prime elite fighters
I’m not saying Crawford’s isn’t a f.ucking thug he’s legit but he’s on the P4P because of the eye test( which seems to matter more nowadays) not resume because even with all the straps and accolades compared to almost any other elite fighter he’s resume isn’t great
True but I do feel Lome is genuinely daring to be great. He's moving up and going after Linares and I'm not sure Bob wants him to. Still, he's showing that a fighter can make things happen if he pushes for it, at least sometimes, in boxing. His resume will look solid on paper after this one, assuming he wins of course.
For sure Loma wants to be great and me being critical of him doesn’t diminish the fact he’s a A-class P4P thug
he wanted a strap and fight the best his first fight , took on Salido in his 2nd fight and Russell in his 3rd that’s f.ucking crazy even with his amateur pedigree
I’m nitpicking and I’m a fan of the guy but you can’t deny for the amount of fights he’s had his resume is wicked and he’s a special fighter
140 was a barren wasteland when Crawford competed in it
Probably the worst division in the entire sport
He got his straps off of
Dulhorme for a vacant
Postol - who’s had 1 decent win
Indongo - who after getting assaulted by Prograis showed he’s maybe 1 level higher then a scrub
Add in Lundy, Diaz , Molina , Jean ( none of these fighters has ever won a world championship and between the 4 might have 4-6 good names on their resume in total )
This whole list consists of 2 fighters who have won a strap ( Postol & Indongo ) Postol got his off Matthysse in a vacant and Indongo who beat Tverosky and Burns . Tverosky has never beaten a legitimate name and Burns got his strap from a vacant fighting a domestic level scrub and hasn’t beaten a decent name in probably 5-7 years
That’s not impressive or a good list
Bud is a great fighter with a lack lustre resume just he was at the right place right time with the right connections
But he shouldn’t be mentioned for fighters having top notch resumes
Sounds like a lot of excuses to me.
If you clean out two divisions your resume is atleast solid.
Right on. It's all been about the eye test but I'm ready to see him in with somebody for real. 50/50 fights for Bud!
No doubt
But he’s with Arum so he probably won’t be in any 50/50 fights anytime soon they rarely operate like that
If Bud beats down Horn like we all expect what in-house WW fighter can TR offer Bud that will be a decent fight ?
I guess we’ll wait and see
the exception is Loma who should get major props for the Russell win and props if/when he beats Linares
But him beating Walters & Rigo are great wins on paper it was more of the usual TR Svengali magic great name fighters on the downside coming off long layoffs
This is kind of my thing with TC. I said earlier that he had a good resume but I did struggle a bit. Haha. It's really not that impressive and he's number 2 p4p according to the Ring. It's hard to see why he's put over Loma imo. I mean, obviously Bud has been a level above all of his comp but when the comp isn't that great, it's like, well, what do we really know? I'm hoping after Horn, he gets somebody real at 147. I know they want to let him and Spence marinate, but why not have them collide in the fall? It would answer so many questions about both. Besides Spence beat a broken down Brook and well, he doesn't exactly have the best resume either.
Agree Bud gets a pass strictly on the eye test and because he’s associated with Arum who has this Svengali like power to influence the greatness of his fighters to the public & media with great match making
Like I said Bud looks like the real deal he’s a bad mother f.ucker and seems like a top P4P talent but his resume is borderline sh.it
His run at 140 is sh.it
And what’s left Burns ( who hadn’t beaten a name in years and should have lost to Beltran the fight before , Beltran who is always just a fringe contender and only got his strap because it was the WBO ( which Arum seems to controll) was vacant and probably shouldn’t have even been given the decision against the African. And Gamboa who was inactive and severely undersized especially when you consider how much weight Crawford was able to gain after the weigh ins
Crawford resume isn’t very impressive
Sh.it in all honesty Danny Garcia had a better resume then Crawford by the time he fought Zab Judah when he was 24/25
He's cleaned out two divisions so it's pretty solid.
140 was a barren wasteland when Crawford competed in it
Probably the worst division in the entire sport
He got his straps off of
Dulhorme for a vacant
Postol - who’s had 1 decent win
Indongo - who after getting assaulted by Prograis showed he’s maybe 1 level higher then a scrub
Add in Lundy, Diaz , Molina , Jean ( none of these fighters has ever won a world championship and between the 4 might have 4-6 good names on their resume in total )
This whole list consists of 2 fighters who have won a strap ( Postol & Indongo ) Postol got his off Matthysse in a vacant and Indongo who beat Tverosky and Burns . Tverosky has never beaten a legitimate name and Burns got his strap from a vacant fighting a domestic level scrub and hasn’t beaten a decent name in probably 5-7 years
That’s not impressive or a good list
Bud is a great fighter with a lack lustre resume just he was at the right place right time with the right connections
But he shouldn’t be mentioned for fighters having top notch resumes
WHO TF IS LINARES, 2. LOMA FANS TALK VERY BADLY ABOUT RUSSELL, ABOUT THAT WIN NOT BEING **** BECAUSE RUSSELL IS AWFUL, YOU CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, its a win vs a terrible fighter, then its not a good win, Rigo came up two divisions, he's SUPPOSED to win that matchup, Decision or close wins, MATTER. Do you know how they say daddy in the ukraine? Salido.:burnout:
I didn't say or don't say Russell is terrible. I've actually seen nobody say that.
Who is Cintron? He's a far lesser fighter than Linares. So is Khan for that matter. Linares has accomplished more than both combined and obviously enters a Loma fight in better standing than either of those guys did vs. Canelo. Rigo did move up and I acknowledged that but you brought Khan up and didn't even acknowledge him coming up. Rigo is also a much better fighter than Khan and was ranked p4p and didn't have multiple bad KO losses to smaller men.
Canelo arguably lost to Trout was a little too close with Cotto given the circumstances and point of Cotto's career and he got lucky over Lara. A lot of folks don't think he won maybe a draw but not a win.