CaneloFeb.17 sample was the first he ever gave while in Mexico. A true surprise test

VADA said more research would have to be done to conclude his innocence even though they were in the values. Just like how the USADA has a 4/1 TE ratio for those ultra rare freak beast unicorns that don't exist, the cut off for clenbuterol is at 1000. Sure he's legally within their values, but its hardly a good or meaningful explanation for being right in the red area when in a pool of over a 100 kids the majority are within 50 - 300 here is some more info: Following the oral intake of a clenbuterol enantiomer mixture with the (-) stereoisomer component already depleted (as might occur in cases where contaminated meat is consumed), the ratio may show a decremented value that cannot be successfully reconciled with therapeutic administration of the substance. While the authors are not aware of clearance studies involving enantiomer-depleted clenbuterol mixtures, results from athletes’ urine samples have nonetheless shown that (-)/(+) ratios significantly lower than 1 have been determined in a number of cases. In consideration of the fact that a value greater than 1 cannot prove doping took place, yet a value less than 1 is, on the basis of current scientific knowledge, inconsistent with the therapeutic administration of clenbuterol as a drug in humans, the determination of the enantiomer ratio for clenbuterol findings is certain to contribute some useful data. While other – potentially wide-ranging – studies are required to evaluate the potency of enantiomer analysis, one possible approach seems nonetheless practicable. http://www.int.laborundmore.com/archive/884010/Clenbuterol-testing-in-doping-control-samples%3A-drug-abuse-or-food-contamination%3F.html not saying he is innocent, i wouldnt say either way without having more proof, but the food contamination is a real possibility on his circumstances, and we have to acknowledge that..

The first reports said they were the same. I didn't know they released different numbers. You are getting more than reasonable explanations. Then you act like you dont know ****. Yep, a clown at its best Let the hate flow dude. GGG has you thinking like a mad man

again experts have concluded that those values are within contaminated meat values, even the likes of vada, usada and wada have acknowledged this...the first was a high value within the meat range, but still under the range... he doesnt need to eat the whole cow for that... you normally get much higher values than that for doping purposes unless you are caught with the clen on the last day or the day before in your system, thats where the second test comes to help canelos case, being even lower it means he had recently got that on his body when he was tested the first time.. if it was for doping he wouldnt have tested positive 3 days later being how low the first amount was, but dont take my word, science guru memo heredia already explained this better than me, and he really has no dog in this fight to call him biased... it has been posted already in the forum.. VADA said more research would have to be done to conclude his innocence even though they were in the values. Just like how the USADA has a 4/1 TE ratio for those ultra rare freak beast unicorns that don't exist, the cut off for clenbuterol is at 1000. Sure he's legally within their values, but its hardly a good or meaningful explanation for being right in the red area when in a pool of over a 100 kids the majority are within 50 - 300

http://www.espn.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/7115036/clenbuterol-found-most-players-17-world-cup He'd still be on the wrong side of the fence along with the 3 guys levels who were way higher than the other one's since he was between 600 and 800. We know a boatload of them failed. Either way that he had the low amounts you were saying in his system is patently false. We know it becomes active up to 0.1 or a 100 picograms. again experts have concluded that those values are within contaminated meat values, even the likes of vada, usada and wada have acknowledged this...the first was a high value within the meat range, but still under the range... he doesnt need to eat the whole cow for that... you normally get much higher values than that for doping purposes unless you are caught with the clen on the last day or the day before in your system, thats where the second test comes to help canelos case, being even lower it means he had recently got that on his body when he was tested the first time.. if it was for doping he wouldnt have tested positive 3 days later being how low the first amount was, but dont take my word, science guru memo heredia already explained this better than me, and he really has no dog in this fight to call him biased... it has been posted already in the forum..

A total of 109 urine samples out of 208 doping control specimens (52%) yielded clenbuterol findings at concentrations ranging from 1–1556 pg/ml https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/dta.1471 every expert so far even VADA has concluded that both tests are within the meat contamination values, should i believe them or you?? so tell me again, is it impossible to get .6 values from contaminated meat?? Dvorak said FIFA had "no indications" of contamination problems in Spain or other countries. Contador and the soccer players in Mexico all had their urine tested by the WADA-accredited lab in Cologne, Germany. While Contador's sample had 50 picograms of clenbuterol per milliliter, the Under-17 World Cup tests showed a "majority" tested between 50 and 300. Dvorak said FIFA was alerted to potential contamination when three players gave samples of 300-1,300 picograms in the opening days of the three-week tournament, in tests conducted by the WADA lab in Los Angeles. http://www.espn.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/7115036/clenbuterol-found-most-players-17-world-cup He'd still be on the wrong side of the fence along with the 3 guys levels who were way higher than the other one's since he was between 600 and 800. We know a boatload of them failed. Either way that he had the low amounts you were saying in his system is patently false. We know it becomes active up to 0.1 or a 100 picograms.

Except that of that 109, 106 of them were between 50 and 300. Only the remaining 3 were between +301 and 1300. So Canelo is something of a 1/100 exception too when it comes to the amount that was in his system. Wow Canelo's story becomes more believable by the second A total of 109 urine samples out of 208 doping control specimens (52%) yielded clenbuterol findings at concentrations ranging from 1–1556 pg/ml https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/dta.1471 every expert so far even VADA has concluded that both tests are within the meat contamination values, should i believe them or you?? so tell me again, is it impossible to get .6 values from contaminated meat?? you must know something they dont..

is that how more than 100 soccer players reached those levels too?? way to feed them, lol... Except that of that 109, 106 of them were between 50 and 300. Only the remaining 3 were between +301 and 1300. So Canelo is something of a 1/100 exception too when it comes to the amount that was in his system. Wow Canelo's story becomes more believable by the second

They weren't "ultra low traces". The drug becomes a therapeutic dose at 40mg 0.2 ng. This is directly taking the drug in pill form. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696 Canelo was anywhere between 0.6 and 0.8 ng I'm sorry, but one does not get that much in their system from a 2nd hand source(Meat. Cooked meat at that). What did they do shoot the animal, slaughter it, then put it on his plate 30 minutes later? That's a reach. is that how more than 100 soccer players reached those levels too?? way to feed them, lol...

both being ultra low traces, if he still had it 3 days later it only means the first test was done when the clen recently got in his system, not on the last day or so like some here claim, if that was the case he wouldnt have any clen left in his body by the second test three day laters.. memo heredia (scienceguru) already explained this and he has no dog in this fight.. They weren't "ultra low traces". The drug becomes a therapeutic dose at 20mg or 0.1 ng. This is directly taking the drug in pill form. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4045696 Canelo was anywhere between 0.6 and 0.8 ng I'm sorry, but one does not get that much in their system from a 2nd hand source(Meat. Cooked meat at that). What did they do shoot the animal, slaughter it, then put it on his plate 30 minutes later? That's a reach.

On the boxing voice a caller said he used Clen to cut coke.anyone here ever hear this being used like that?

they got him at the end of his cycle. well done. this is why boxers like floyd didnt do 365 testing. if you only are tested 2 months before the fight just cheat the rest of the time!

Maybe because Golovkin requested it? because he was doing 365 and Canelo wasn't? Maybe someone from GBP told him that VADA would not come to Mexico? In the first two weeks of testing, they didn't go there. Maybe they got confident. You can't explain why Canelo has 10 times the amount of Clen on Feb 17 than on Feb 20. both being ultra low traces, if he still had it 3 days later it only means the first test was done when the clen recently got in his system, not on the last day or so like some here claim, if that was the case he wouldnt have any clen left in his body by the second test three day laters.. memo heredia (scienceguru) already explained this and he has no dog in this fight..

Thanks. I'm just asking since I never heard a boxer tested positive of Clen and blame it to eating dirty Mexican chickens, usually it's the bad Mexican cow. no problem, you can find more info here https://www.usada.org/clenbuterol-and-meat-contamination/

So obviously he'd stopped eating the contaminated meat he didn't know was contaminated?!! Hahaha. He took a small sampler of contaminated meat on the 2nd day doe :lol1:

Not the same retard. Why would he sign up for drug testing early, when he could have waited and nobody would have said a damn thing? :dunce: The other fighters had incentive to do what they did. What was the incentive for Canelo to do drug testing early? :dunce: Maybe because Golovkin requested it? because he was doing 365 and Canelo wasn't? Maybe someone from GBP told him that VADA would not come to Mexico? In the first two weeks of testing, they didn't go there. Maybe they got confident. You can't explain why Canelo has 10 times the amount of Clen on Feb 17 than on Feb 20.

Other athletes don't have a choice but to be tested. Canelo did. The standard testing time for when signing for VADA is 2 months. Canelo signed the fight and begun testing 3 months out. Make no sense for him to do that if he was intentionally taking Clen. He could have easily waited until 2 months out. This along with all the experts saying it was likely meat contamination makes meat contamination the most likely explanation. Of course that doesn't suit people with an agenda. You can use the same logic for anyone that got caught. It doesn't work like that fool. "Why would they cheat if they knew they would get drug tested" well drug cheats think they can get away with it... that's why they cheat. But they fail sometimes because something goes wrong. Here Canelo's team probably thought he wouldn't be tested on Mexico so they used the regular drug they use in between camp to keep the beef Canelo lean and muscular.

i dont know, but is also part of the problem, i have seen chicken legs almost the size of turkey legs, it just doesnt looks natural... if you can get up to 1 nanogram from cow, then o imagine .01 or even .001 can be shown from chicken, that is ten or 100 times less than cow... when it comes to ultra low traces canelos second test really helps his argument, when you dope you rarely ge those values unless the clen is already on the last day or the day before in your system, but being tested 3 days later with even lower amounts it kind of debunks that theory ... memo heredia explained this very well... i got no problem if you think canelo is dirty cuz of how his body looks, but the failed tests could very well come from food contamination... Thanks. I'm just asking since I never heard a boxer tested positive of Clen and blame it to eating dirty Mexican chickens, usually it's the bad Mexican cow.

You're maybe reaching here a little with assumptions about when testing begins etc. First you justified the contaminated beef excuse by the levels being the same in seperate tests but now you're justifying the contaminated beef excuse by the levels being radically different?! Come on man, just say you don't care what the levels were, or why, you just don't want to accept that (perhaps) canelo just got caught cheating! Robbie usually does get owned in every thread but this is even more than normal. He's had a disaster in this thread.

yup but ask robbie hes the one sayin that stuff haha Naw man. I'm good. That's a never ending story. I'll take the high road on that one. LOL

Retarded. You're trying to imply he thought he wouldn't be tested in Mexico so he thought he was free to use PEDs. Wouldn't he have been caught with more than micro amounts of a weight loss drug if that was the case? :dunce: Stop defending this cheat you degenerate retard. Get out of the closet.