Not just on a P4P list, but as all-time cruisers? Undefeated, undisputed champions.
I know it'll depend on what happens after for them & their opponents.. both might go to HW... both could pull a Holyfield, but even if they don't continue fighting at CW, where would you put them?
I don't rank pound for pound on who they beat. I go by how good they look beating them. I have to see the fight first. I already have Usyk a top 10 pfp fighter but he has lots of damn good competition for pfp honers in my opinion.
Winner should crack Top 10 For Sure maybe #7 or something like that. Would have to do more research on the Cruiserweight Divisions as far as crowning the winner All Time
Let's assume the fight plays out as we think and that it's a good competitive fight and the winner is clear and not disputed then I'd say Usyk should be no lower than 4 (behind Loma, Crawford & GGG) and Gassiev would be 4 or 5 also. Usyk has the better wins to date that's why he'd be a spot or two higher. I guess I have to see the fight but I'd probably have Usyk 3 and Gassiev 5. Right now I have Usyk 4-5 and Gassiev somewhere around 8-10.
All-time at Cruiser? I think the winner would be a clear #2. Clearly behind Holyfield but clearly ahead of #3 which at the moment would probably be DeLeon.
Completely agree on all time Cruiser, the winner providing they win fairly is the clear #2 behind Holyfield.
I personally don’t have Usyk or Gassiev that high on my P4P list, the winner probably wouldn’t crack my top 5 unless they looked really impressive, but they would certainly be 6-10.
All time is tough, as these guys haven't had a career worth of fights yet.
Top P4P right now, I might have either one above Golovkin, below Loma and Crawford.
What about if Gassiev wins? Wins over Wlodarczyk, Dorticos and Usyk plus holding every belt at CW surely has to merit a top 3 spot?
Yup, also a win over Lebedev too is nothing to turn your nose up at. I have Gassiev in my current top 10 and with a win he'd be unquestionably top 5.
Way to low. Usyk should be 1 or 2.
I can see an argument since he'd have a great claim given the caliber of wins and the winning of all four belts in an excellent division but in my p4p I do also factor in how highly I rate their overall skill set and how I feel they rate overall in terms of if they are all equal size who's best. In that sense I just can't see a case for him being a better fighter than Lomachenko or Crawford.
I guess he'd be my #3 unless he is really dominant and one of those is in a close fight or two.
Usyk is on the path to greatness. I hope if he wins this he sticks around and makes some defenses of the title. I want to see more of him at his peak before he moves up to a division where he will give away a lot of size.
If usyk wins you have to consider him top 3 p4p imo. He then beats ledbedev then he imo is a serious candidate for #1.
What about if Gassiev wins? Wins over Wlodarczyk, Dorticos and Usyk plus holding every belt at CW surely has to merit a top 3 spot?
Let's assume the fight plays out as we think and that it's a good competitive fight and the winner is clear and not disputed then I'd say Usyk should be no lower than 4 (behind Loma, Crawford & GGG) and Gassiev would be 4 or 5 also. Usyk has the better wins to date that's why he'd be a spot or two higher. I guess I have to see the fight but I'd probably have Usyk 3 and Gassiev 5. Right now I have Usyk 4-5 and Gassiev somewhere around 8-10.
All-time at Cruiser? I think the winner would be a clear #2. Clearly behind Holyfield but clearly ahead of #3 which at the moment would probably be DeLeon.