AJ v Wilder - The Breakdown

Wilder weaknesses - Chin? Non-existent inside ability Weak jab Lack of activity throughout Wild, uneducated combinations Relies too heavily on power Weak footwork, especially when running back from punches

Well said, bro. Know folks from Ireland that Americans will call country strong. They are also real folks - not filled with the pretenses we see in the world today. On the Ortiz push, I think it was round 3 or so - not round 10. Ortiz tried to come in with some combinations, Wilder covers up and then shoves him backwards. He does that to minimize the amount of combinations thrown at him. I see him doing to AJ too. I slightly favour Wilder anyway but if Wilder is as strong/er then I'd be worried. But I'd still be very surprised.

Pay attention to the fact that he didn't reply anymore. I'll be making a thread to school these guys this week, I'm counting on you Aiight, bro! I am just tired of having to argue about this fight. I just want them to make the fight - too many illogical and irrational folks on here.

I wouldn't stay at mid and long range if I was AJ. Closer the safer imo. And I know he's a better boxer than Wilder but so are lots of people. I sincerely doubt Wilder would be able to push around AJ or Fury. Proof will be in the pudding I guess. But obviously pushing around Ortiz in round 10 different than pushing him around in round 1. Wilder is superbly conditioned athlete. Country strong? Must be an Americanism. Farm strong is what we would use. I have family in Ireland who are farmers. Just look at it as a more a practical application of strength not being stronger per se. Wilder is a greyhound. Well said, bro. Know folks from Ireland that Americans will call country strong. They are also real folks - not filled with the pretenses we see in the world today. On the Ortiz push, I think it was round 3 or so - not round 10. Ortiz tried to come in with some combinations, Wilder covers up and then shoves him backwards. He does that to minimize the amount of combinations thrown at him. I see him doing to AJ too.

Wilder does not have a better jab than Joshua. He was out jabbed by Washington for Christ sake. Washington has a garbage jab, it's slow and prodding, no snap or power behind it which is why Miller just walked through it. Look at how Ortiz easily took Wilder's jab away by parrying with the lead right. Sure Ortiz is a southpaw so it's always difficult to land the jab vs a southpaw with a high right hand but Joshua does the same thing out of the orthodox stance, he uses his right hand to catch and parry jabs. No way Wilder out boxes Joshua. His jab is too much of a weak flicking jab which he paws out, just watch the Washington fight. His jab looks fine against much smaller guys or guys with no jabs but that won't do vs guys like Fury or AJ. His stance is also too wide, he does it to get leverage and load up on shots. But the problem with that is it limits his movement so he's forced to lean way, way back or to the side and puts himself in bad positions were he can't counter or even worst where he's off balance. Remember when that happened vs Washington and he had to do that little bunny hop so not to fall over. Joshua is going to punish these mistakes badly when they do meet. I agree. Like I said, I always favor the more skilled fighter when power is minimal

Add in the fact that by fighting a southpaw, their lead legs were clashing as well which makes it trickier to throw the jabs - which is why Wilder began using the left hook to setup his right hand instead of the jab. Pay attention to the fact that he didn't reply anymore. I'll be making a thread to school these guys this week, I'm counting on you

Wilder does not have a better jab than Joshua. He was out jabbed by Washington for Christ sake. Washington has a garbage jab, it's slow and prodding, no snap or power behind it which is why Miller just walked through it. Look at how Ortiz easily took Wilder's jab away by parrying with the lead right. Sure Ortiz is a southpaw so it's always difficult to land the jab vs a southpaw with a high right hand but Joshua does the same thing out of the orthodox stance, he uses his right hand to catch and parry jabs. No way Wilder out boxes Joshua. His jab is too much of a weak flicking jab which he paws out, just watch the Washington fight. His jab looks fine against much smaller guys or guys with no jabs but that won't do vs guys like Fury or AJ. His stance is also too wide, he does it to get leverage and load up on shots. But the problem with that is it limits his movement so he's forced to lean way, way back or to the side and puts himself in bad positions were he can't counter or even worst where he's off balance. Remember when that happened vs Washington and he had to do that little bunny hop so not to fall over. Joshua is going to punish these mistakes badly when they do meet. good to see people who understand boxing on a boxing site

Yeah, because Wilder was really lighting Ortiz up with his jab in the first half of their fight. Oh wait. He wasn't even throwing it. Because he was terrified of getting countered (rightly so, because a single Ortiz counter almost got him KO'ed) Try to give a reasoned, unbiased breakdown and we can respect your opinion. There's no reason to be so one-sided, Deontay's not your girlfriend (at least I don't think he is) The same goes for all the Joshua bum-lickers. Ortiz is a southpaw so its harder to establish your jab as an ortho, escpecially if the southpaw is a good counter punsher you have to be very careful. it will land easier vs Joshua as he really doesn't move his head and hes also an ortho.... boxing 101 if Joshua can go 12 rounds without getting koed he wins that's pretty much how this fight will go. and IMO he wont last 12 rounds with the way hes looked lately.

Wilder does not have a better jab than Joshua. He was out jabbed by Washington for Christ sake. Washington has a garbage jab, it's slow and prodding, no snap or power behind it which is why Miller just walked through it. Look at how Ortiz easily took Wilder's jab away by parrying with the lead right. Sure Ortiz is a southpaw so it's always difficult to land the jab vs a southpaw with a high right hand but Joshua does the same thing out of the orthodox stance, he uses his right hand to catch and parry jabs. No way Wilder out boxes Joshua. His jab is too much of a weak flicking jab which he paws out, just watch the Washington fight. His jab looks fine against much smaller guys or guys with no jabs but that won't do vs guys like Fury or AJ. His stance is also too wide, he does it to get leverage and load up on shots. But the problem with that is it limits his movement so he's forced to lean way, way back or to the side and puts himself in bad positions were he can't counter or even worst where he's off balance. Remember when that happened vs Washington and he had to do that little bunny hop so not to fall over. Joshua is going to punish these mistakes badly when they do meet.

I wouldn't stay at mid and long range if I was AJ. Closer the safer imo. ... This is, actually, a very good idea! :wow: Because Wilder is either quite useless at close range, or at least he will have no power. And, contrary to what soul_survivor said, AJ is quite good at close range fighting.

Wilder is not a small heavyweight. His upper body strength is probably close to AJ. Look at his hands. He just has chicken legs - very, very small legs for a heavyweight. Do you see how Wilder shoves 240+ pound fighters when they get close to him? See how he pushed away Duhaupas, even Ortiz was pushed like that? Then in round 10, he ragdolls Ortiz with 1 hand mostly and shoves him down. Watch a couple of Wilder fights and see how he uses his upperbody to lift up Gerald Washington, Ortiz and after the fight Shelly Finkel. Wilder is strong - country strong. AJ will try to get on the inside but will not be successful. If he gets to close, Wilder counters him and destroys him. AJ will stay in position 2 more like he did against Parker, who is not even a dangerous puncher, and wait for mistakes. But Wilder moves his head better. I wouldn't stay at mid and long range if I was AJ. Closer the safer imo. And I know he's a better boxer than Wilder but so are lots of people. I sincerely doubt Wilder would be able to push around AJ or Fury. Proof will be in the pudding I guess. But obviously pushing around Ortiz in round 10 different than pushing him around in round 1. Wilder is superbly conditioned athlete. Country strong? Must be an Americanism. Farm strong is what we would use. I have family in Ireland who are farmers. Just look at it as a more a practical application of strength not being stronger per se. Wilder is a greyhound.

Wilder has a fantastic jab. Look at the Jab he threw in Stiverne II. he was killing Stiverne with it. It was crisp, fast and hard. Wilder had problems with Ortiz because of the southpaw stance. Ortiz head wasnt where it was supposed to be, so that nullified Wilder's jab. Joshua's head will be right where its supposed to be. Joshua when challenged, moves straight back. See how Parkers short armed job completely stiffled AJ's offense. Where Parker wasnt landing the jab, Wilder will be. He will jab, jab, jab and catch him with a right in the first 3 rounds. AJ will be easy money for Wilder. The AJ camp knows it too, that why they are putting up all these walls and moving goalposts. They dont want it...

This is how I would see AJ winning the fight. Close the distance and take away the leverage for the big swings. I'm not having that Wilder isn't a smaller heavyweight. He's tall but he's an ectomorph. I suspect he would catch AJ as that is not AJ's style. But it would keep him 'safer' The gameplan you described is why I'd be very confident a fit Tyson Fury would beat Wilder. There are multiple examples of Tyson Fury essentially fighting as a 6'9 pressure fighter. He boxed neatly against Hammer and Wlad. But how he is seen as an exclusively outside boxer isn't really right imo. Wilder is not a small heavyweight. His upper body strength is probably close to AJ. Look at his hands. He just has chicken legs - very, very small legs for a heavyweight. Do you see how Wilder shoves 240+ pound fighters when they get close to him? See how he pushed away Duhaupas, even Ortiz was pushed like that? Then in round 10, he ragdolls Ortiz with 1 hand mostly and shoves him down. Watch a couple of Wilder fights and see how he uses his upperbody to lift up Gerald Washington, Ortiz and after the fight Shelly Finkel. Wilder is strong - country strong. AJ will try to get on the inside but will not be successful. If he gets to close, Wilder counters him and destroys him. AJ will stay in position 2 more like he did against Parker, who is not even a dangerous puncher, and wait for mistakes. But Wilder moves his head better.

AJ has the best inside game in the HW division IMO Not sure he has the best, probably top 2 or 3. I actually think Big Baby has the best inside game. He throws quite a variety of combinations and different shots while inside but he has little power to get his opponents out quickly.

I actually think AJ's inside game is good. AJ's inside game is really good. He sometimes cheats though by pulling his opponents head down to land the uppercut.

Joshua’s weakness is he’s slow, plodding, and easy to hit. He’s very basic. He uses the jab but it doesn’t snap it’s slow. But most fighters aren’t big enough to counter over his jab. Wilder will clock him if he moves his left hand away from his chin. As long as Joshua doesn’t turn into a southpaw overnight He won’t have anything to trouble Wilder with. He’s the type of fighter Deontay loves to face. A guy without much side to side movement that comes forward slowly. The more muscled up Joshua comes in to the fight the better for Wilder. Maybe that’s why Joshua has been losing some of that useless muscle. He knows that it just slows and fatigues him early. The way for Hoshua to win the fight In my opinion is to get in close and smother Wilder with inside fighting. Wilder needs distance to unload that cannon. Sure Joshua likes to work off the jab but that’s just waiting for Wilder to time him one time and get him out of there. It will only take one time which is why I think Wilder will win. He finishes fighter as soon as they get hurt. Great breakdown. One thing though - Wilder controls distance well. He doesn't let people get into the position 1 (inside) against him because of his movement. Watch the Ortiz fight again - they kept persuading him to go inside but the threat of Wilder's counters made it extremely difficult. Watch end of round 2, round 5 before the knockdown - Wilder shows he is ready to throw should you come too close.

He throwed and landed a lot of jabs (actually oujabbed Ortiz) and he was against a skilled southpaw what makes it harder: https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-vs-luis-ortiz-compubox-punch-stats--125891 Get your facts straight before talking of reason Add in the fact that by fighting a southpaw, their lead legs were clashing as well which makes it trickier to throw the jabs - which is why Wilder began using the left hook to setup his right hand instead of the jab.

You got everything mixed. Power, jab, footwork all go for Wilder. Expect Wilder tagging Joshua with his jab and then knocking him out in the first half Tell them. Wilder has the best jab in the heavyweight. Better footwork too and no contest on the jab.

Wilder obliterates AJ when they fight and embarrasses him. No need to hype AJ's power - Wilder has a lot more power. It's not even close. AJ needs to throw combinations to drop a person - combinations typically require a stationary target, one which Wilder will not offer him. Wilder brings more skills to the table than AJ - better right hand, more power, faster, better stamina (endurance), longer reach, better jab, pivots better, more explosive, can fight both on front and back foot, etc. The media hype is why AJ has been considered favorite. What does AJ do better? He boxes better (as in the way he throws his shots or as folks on here prefer to say more technical with his shots), has the much better uppercut, better inside (position 1) fighter. Everything else Wilder has the advantage. Both are confident fighters - but Wilder seems the more confident one. Chins are the same - I could argue one way or the other for Wilder and AJ on this. I also think Wilder has the better IQ - he figures out his opponents eventually and seems able to vary his game. AJ is what you call a 90% fighter - what he does can overwhelm any opponent and he does it really well but he does not really vary his game plan. He takes longer to adapt. AJ also looks the part. Wilder IS the part. And that's the biggest difference - Wilder is just a natural born fighter.

AJ's power will be more than enough for Wilder. So, we can say (for this fight) that both boxers are equally powerful. The height and reach are almost the same as well. With all this in mind, Joshua is clearly a better boxer. For me this fight it 60-70% AJ.