Other fighters, most notably Julio Ceaser Chavez Jr. and Canelo, have received plenty of criticism for putting on close to 20 pounds from weigh-in to the fight. That’s not fair and they should have to fight people their own size was common talk. Bud puts on close to 20 pounds from weigh-in to fight. Just as bad as Chavez Jr. was, but no one says anything about it.
Bud isn’t naturally smaller than the top welterweights, he just drained himself to stay in weak divisions. In April 2015, DSG fought Peterson at a catchweight of 143, with DSG saying he was staying at welterweight, after failing to make 140 the previous fight. Bud had his first fight at 140 a week later.
Bud’s toughest opponents are probably Postol and Diaz. Maybe Indongo. Is that better than any of the following?
Thurman: DSG and Porter
DSG: Khan, Matthysse, Thurman while all were ranked #1 in the division
Porter: Brook and Thurman
Spence: Peterson and Brook (in England)
Broner: Maidana, Porter, and Mikey Garcia
Brook: Porter, G, and Spence
Khan: DSG, Peterson, and Canelo
Right there are seven fighters. All that weigh close to the same as Crawford does in the ring. All except Khan and Brook (both just one year older) are younger Bud. All, win or lose, fought better opposition than Bud.
Other fighters who have fought better opposition have been called duckers and cherry pickers by many. Others who put on the same amount of weight from weigh-in until fight have been criticized harshly for it. Why not Bud?
What?
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A computerized system counts beating a 40 year old Pac the same as a prime Pac.
No humans, that can tell the difference between a 2017 Pac and a 2008-2009 Pac, have The Hornet anywhere near that high.
TBRB and the Ring are respectable. Espn has lost all credibility.
Normally, Boxrec's rankings are pretty solid, best computerized rankings I've seen, but also obvious flaws. Who knows, hopefully the Hornet proves me wrong and stings Bud, Thurman, Spence, DSG, and Porter! He has made me a fan with his trash talk. Some of the best talk I've heard come from a boxer in a while. #HornetvsPrincess
2 weight classes. 2 world titles. 2 lineal titles. 1 undisputed title.
Broner: Four divisions. Four world titles.
Also, about 15 pounds smaller than Bud, but who has fought Maidana, Porter, and Mikey. How has AB fought three opponents who are at least twice as good as anyone Bud has ever fought? AB might not be a world beater, but at least he will fight the best.
30 years old and Postol is his biggest fight. No wonder no one outside of Omaha knows his name.
2 weight classes. 2 world titles. 2 lineal titles. 1 undisputed title.
So even though he took those titles from Dulorme, Postol, and Indongo, that is better than beating DSG and Porter? Both are the same size.
Baldomir had a lineal, undisputed title too. So, for fighting Horn, for a paper title, that is cool, because it's for a title?
Why did everyone crap on Mikey for fighting the only champ and the #1 jww in the world in a third different division? Bud is moving up to fight about the 7th or 8th best ww and no one says anything. Yet, about 100 posters criticized Mikey for fighting a guy naturally much bigger who was also the #1 guy in the division.
Why do titles and divisions not matter for guys like DSG and Mikey, but it is a perfect excuse from Bud? Just saying, if to this day, DSG's best wins were Postol and Diaz, no one would take him as serious. Yet, Bud does it and is a p4p fighter? Doesn't DSG get more credit for clearing out a stacked 140 division than Bud does for Dulorme, Postol, and Indongo? Is Morales twice, Khan, Judah, Matthysse, Peterson not much more impressive? Cherry Garcia has fought the much better opposition. There is no doubt about that. And he still gets crapped on, while Bud fights guys like Lundy and Horn and gets credit for it. It is just a clear double standard. Just wondering why.
Not that Bud ain't great, but if a pbc fighter had that record, he would be a paper champ who refused to move up to 140 until DSG, Peterson, Khan, Matthysse, Maidana were all at ww, fought some of the weakest title holders in history, and who had to bully guys much smaller than him. And one who also has not faced anyone with real power since a lw rocked him years ago. I just want to see the best fight the best.
Right now, a top p4p fighter is fighting about the 8th best guy in his division. lmao. Is that a joke or something?
He says he picks who he fights, and yet no Mikey, Prograis, DSG, Peterson, Spence, Thurman, no one! Spence, Thurman, Brook, Khan, DSG, Porter, Brook, Broner are all fighting each other, fighting the best and Bud is fighting Indongo and a gym teacher. Paper titles mean less to me than quality wins. And it does to everyone else too, when talking about Mikey and not Bud.
I'm looking at the other comments and I don't honestly know if you're trolling or if you are just so low in reading comprehension that you don't understand what anyone is saying. It's either deliberate misreading or unintentional misreading. It's between those two things.
Seven guys. Who out of those 7 fighters, who are the same size and age as Bud, as fought weaker opposition? Who? Or are you deliberately saying, that yes, at least seven others have fought better opponents, but Bud deserves p4p and should not be pressured to fight a top 5 welterweight. I get it, he is only 160 pounds, why would we hold him to the same standards as Cherry Garcia? Am I right? Garcia literally cleared out 140. Then he fought Thurman at welterweight. And he is still called Cherry Garcia.
From now on it is Cherry Bud. Who is the mighty Cherry Bud gonna fight after Horn? Another bottom top 10 guy? Rematch with Indongo? Indongo is tall, so that must mean something. Cherry Bud is on a war path! First he is taking out the Aussie gym teachers, and next he is coming for U.S. gym teachers! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
I'm looking at the other comments and I don't honestly know if you're trolling or if you are just so low in reading comprehension that you don't understand what anyone is saying. It's either deliberate misreading or unintentional misreading. It's between those two things.
Which out of those seven fighters have fought worse opposition? Who?
I'm sorry, I'm the troll. Not the two proclaiming Postol and Diaz to be akin to Joe Frazier and George Foreman.
Honestly, who, I have listed seven active fighters the same size and age as Bud who have all fought much better opposition. Who on that list do you believe has fought worse competition than Bud?
I can't hate the guy for being good at weight cutting, if he makes 140 than that's that. He just moved up also all of this is really moot.
Not really. Bud is fighting a retired school teacher who is not a top 5 welterweight. And if he is a welterweight and has never fought a welterweight, if he is 160 pounds and he has never fought another guy who is 160 pounds, how is he ranked anywhere on any p4p list? When Bud fights and beats opponents who warrant a p4p ranking, than the point will be moot. Until then, TC is being held to a much, much lower standard than every other pro boxer. He will continue to never face an elite opponent as long as his fanboys claim he is p4p champ for taking out the mighty Indongo.
Heck, AB needs to fight Indongo next. Then the p4p rankings can be 1) Bud 2) Prograis and 3)Broner. Sorry Loma, looks like you've been knocked outta the top 3. Indongo is like Joe Frazier or George Foreman according to some posters on here.
So you admit, at least seven other active professional boxers, the same size as Bud, all have fought better opposition.
And yes, you would think comparing Joe Frazier and George Foreman to Viktor Postol and Felix Diaz is a perfect response.
Height does not equal size. If Easter moved up to 147 and fought Spence or Thurman, would you say Easter is bigger? Even though he weighs 15 pounds less? Bottom line is he packed on 20 pounds from weigh in until fight so he could fight guys like Postol and avoid DSG, Porter, Spence and Thurman.
If Postol and Indongo are like Frazier and Foreman what are DSG and Porter like? My god, they are even better than anyone Ali fought, if Postol is as good as Frazier!
A ww who has 7 other active fighters the same size and age who have fought better opposition. What seven heavyweights who were all active when Ali was, had faced better opposition than him?
No, I compare Crawford to other fighters his own age and size. Idiots compare him to Ali. Ali fought Joe Frazier and George Foreman. Terence Crawford has fought Viktor Postol and Felix Diaz. Little bit of a difference there. Little bit.
I'm looking at the other comments and I don't honestly know if you're trolling or if you are just so low in reading comprehension that you don't understand what anyone is saying. It's either deliberate misreading or unintentional misreading. It's between those two things.
It's not easy to pick on Crawford for beating the ish out of all these guys when you use your eyes and look at them next to each other.
So you admit, at least seven other active professional boxers, the same size as Bud, all have fought better opposition.
And yes, you would think comparing Joe Frazier and George Foreman to Viktor Postol and Felix Diaz is a perfect response.
Height does not equal size. If Easter moved up to 147 and fought Spence or Thurman, would you say Easter is bigger? Even though he weighs 15 pounds less? Bottom line is he packed on 20 pounds from weigh in until fight so he could fight guys like Postol and avoid DSG, Porter, Spence and Thurman.
If Postol and Indongo are like Frazier and Foreman what are DSG and Porter like? My god, they are even better than anyone Ali fought, if Postol is as good as Frazier!
A ww who has 7 other active fighters the same size and age who have fought better opposition. What seven heavyweights who were all active when Ali was, had faced better opposition than him?
No, I compare Crawford to other fighters his own age and size. Idiots compare him to Ali. Ali fought Joe Frazier and George Foreman. Terence Crawford has fought Viktor Postol and Felix Diaz. Little bit of a difference there. Little bit.
You totally missed my point. Your rage has your mind in tunnel vision mode.
Its not rage, I have nothing against Bud. Just I hold him to the same standards as every other professional fighter. Being the same size as all the welterweights and yet having at least 7 other active pro boxers with better opposition, does not make one p4p. It means one looks great against smaller, less skilled pros. No offense to Postol and Diaz, they are good fighters and have accomplished more than most ever will, but beating them does is not the same as beating DSG and Porter or Brook and Peterson. It isn't. Postol and Diaz, are good, but they are second tier. They are not elite. They are one step below that.
I give props for having balls and taking the tough fights. Broner might not be that great at all, but guess what? He is much smaller than Bud and not nearly as talented and he has fought three opponents who put Postol and Indongo to shame. Again, Broner isn't half as good as Bud is, yet he is willing to fight bigger and better opponents.
I call Thurman a punk and duck like everyone else for refusing to fight Spence. And Thurman beat DSG and Porter his last two fights. If everyone is slamming Thurman (which they should be doing) everyone should also be slamming TC. At least try and fight DSG or Porter. Sorry, anyone as good as Bud is, deserves to be criticized if his best wins are over Postol and Diaz. This isn't rage or hate against Bud. This is admitting Bud is one hell of a fighter and he is clearly a league or two above the Postol, Diaz, and Horn's of the world. I just want to see the best fight the best. I see all the other welterweights doing that (at least occasionally), just not TC.
I just want to know why he gets held to such lower standards than everyone else.
Other fighters, most notably Julio Ceaser Chavez Jr. and Canelo, have received plenty of criticism for putting on close to 20 pounds from weigh-in to the fight. That’s not fair and they should have to fight people their own size was common talk. Bud puts on close to 20 pounds from weigh-in to fight. Just as bad as Chavez Jr. was, but no one says anything about it.
Bud isn’t naturally smaller than the top welterweights, he just drained himself to stay in weak divisions. In April 2015, DSG fought Peterson at a catchweight of 143, with DSG saying he was staying at welterweight, after failing to make 140 the previous fight. Bud had his first fight at 140 a week later.
Bud’s toughest opponents are probably Postol and Diaz. Maybe Indongo. Is that better than any of the following?
Thurman: DSG and Porter
DSG: Khan, Matthysse, Thurman while all were ranked #1 in the division
Porter: Brook and Thurman
Spence: Peterson and Brook (in England)
Broner: Maidana, Porter, and Mikey Garcia
Brook: Porter, G, and Spence
Khan: DSG, Peterson, and Canelo
Right there are seven fighters. All that weigh close to the same as Crawford does in the ring. All except Khan and Brook (both just one year older) are younger Bud. All, win or lose, fought better opposition than Bud.
Other fighters who have fought better opposition have been called duckers and cherry pickers by many. Others who put on the same amount of weight from weigh-in until fight have been criticized harshly for it. Why not Bud?
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That's right they don't say anything about it, but when Crawford fights a midget in comparison to height and weight (Gamboa) Crawford gets massive props for that win AND nobody takes into consideration Gamboa has a year plus of inactivity!
Remember, Golovkin win over Kell Brook doesn't mean anything, but because Crawford is this so called posterchild for boxing he gets plaudits for beating a guy who was way smaller, much more shorter, had a long layoff, and who lost to a part timer boxer!
Bud's toughest fight is funny because I just mocked him for it, but undoubtedly Gamboa was the only one who gave Crawford big problems!
The most biggest name on Crawford resume is absolute average, it's Ricky Burns lol that is his big stand-out name on that terrible resume for a guy who is meant to be P4P #1...
I call B.S. to it and I have been calling it out against him for quite sometime, Crawford hasn't got a great win yet that is why he isn't a realistic candidate for P4P #1, but some idiots in the boxing world leach onto that 0 as If it actually means anything.
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It's not easy to pick on Crawford for beating the ish out of all these guys when you use your eyes and look at them next to each other.
There are some people who, no matter who a boxer beats, will always question their resume.
Like this:
"Ali never fought anyone good. Foreman was one-dimensional. Frazier was undersized. Then when he finally fought a decent boxer in Holmes he got his but kicked!"
Perfect response.
FFS, the guy has a fight scheduled at 147lbs. You sound really delusional... I'll just let you live in your own little world and figure this out on your own.
Ok, you probably want to let ESPN, The Ring, TBRB, and everyone else who does rankings. Because right now, they are all as delusional as me and don't have him ranked at welterweight. It seems they don't rank someone on what they say or schedule but on what they actually do.
Its not that hard. No one has Bud ranked as a ww except you. That is the definition of being delusional. Everyone else ranks fighters for the divisions they fight in, not ones they are supposed to fight in. Its the same with records, he doesn't get credit for beating Thurman and Spence just because he says he can. Talking and doing are two very different things.
I see you have trouble differentiating the two. I'd help you if I could, but you can't fix stupid.
well Crawford has apparently moved to ww, so shouldn't be a weight bully now. I agree about the resume thing tho. "how is ggg p4p, he fought nobody... Crawford p4p #1 doe"...
many of the same posters who want to objectively dissect ggg or loma's p4p credentials seem to give bud a pass.
Because one bud went up more than one weight division and as far as loma its the amount of fights as well as the only threat he fought was over the hill and moved up 2 divisions. Loma is the truth though he fights in an “urban” style lol. Ggg is good but way overrated gwh. He also had chances to prove greatness but even his greatest wins are former 154lb mid teir fighters. Then when he stepped up in class he no longer looked like a monster. Bud and Loma are official until they’re proven wrong as they rise in weight GGG has not solidified himself after stepping up wether you think he beat canelo or not.
I'm sorry, Boxrec and the Internet still say Bud has never fought above 140. When was this? .
FFS, the guy has a fight scheduled at 147lbs. You sound really delusional... I'll just let you live in your own little world and figure this out on your own.
There are some people who, no matter who a boxer beats, will always question their resume.
Like this:
"Ali never fought anyone good. Foreman was one-dimensional. Frazier was undersized. Then when he finally fought a decent boxer in Holmes he got his but kicked!"
Some idiots will compare Frazier and Foreman with Postol and Feliz Diaz.
Just tell me, out of those seven fighters listed, who's opposition is worse than Bud's? No, no one can name 7 guys Ali's own size who had better resumes than he did. Ever. Let alone 7 at the same time as him.
People put guys as great off beating a bunch of no ones. "Cherry" Garcia has fought much better opposition than Bud has. And he is younger. If Postol and Indongo are like Frazier and Foreman, who are Peterson and Brook like?
If you haven't noticed, Crawford went up a weight class. Sooooo..... your post is a year late.
I'm sorry, Boxrec and the Internet still say Bud has never fought above 140. When was this? And if he is a ww and has been for a year, doesn't that make his resume even that much weaker?
Ain't saying Bud ain't great, but he put on 20 pounds to beat guys like Postol, whereas Thurman was fighting DSG and Porter and Spence was beating guys like Peterson and breaking Brook's face.
If Bud is a ww and has been for a year, then why just now? And why Horn? He is saying he fights whoever he wants, he makes the decisions. And so far he has chosen Postol and Diaz. And now Horn? While even Broner and Khan have fought much tougher opponents. Yes, they lost, but they could have taken easy fights and stayed ranked high.